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India not threatened by Pakistan-China economic corridor: envoy

Any reaction from India is reason for trolling for a Pakistani. If media shows interest, we are obsessed if we say we aren't threatened, we are lying..somehow th 46 billion investment for Pak is doomsday for India.. still can't figure out how?
Media is not showing interest,infact it's going crazy.Butthurt Id say.
Secondly it's not about 46 bn.
It's about India being ignored by China.Nothing awful in this world than being ignored.
 
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Cool your panties, here is a very sensible article by a pakistani author in a. Pakistani newspaper

Courting China with care
Let's clear up some misconceptions that have been doing the rounds since President Xi Jinping visited Islamabad and dangled a $46 billion carrot before us.

The money being offered is project financing, not aid and not concessionary loans. To get a good idea of what that means, take a look at one project that was approved and documents for which were signed during this visit: the Karot hydropower project.
Karot is a run-of-the-river hydropower project with a total generation capacity of 720MW. It is located on the river Jhelum, just south of Rawalpindi. The project was initiated in 2006, when a consortium of Associated Technologies (Pvt) Ltd and China Three Gorges International Corporation, which was the main sponsor of the project, applied for a Letter of Interest (LoI) from the Private Power Infrastructure Board (PPIB).

China has developed the template for fusing assistance and investment together into a single offering.
The LoI was granted in early 2007, and by 2009 a technical and financial feasibility study of the project had been completed by the project sponsors and approved by PPIB. Two years later, in 2011, the consortium applied for a generation tariff from Nepra, in which they detailed all the project’s technical and financial parameters.

The project was supposed to be financed according to a deb-to-equity ratio of 80:20. Equity was going to amount to $284.87 million and the debt component of the project was $1139.5m at the time.

All debt financed by Chinese banks is subject to Sinosure fee, which is China’s official export credit insurance agency, and all projects executed using Chinese funds require that they be insured using this agency. Its charges in this project were 1.2pc per annum for both debt and equity investments throughout the project life. Additionally, interest during construction was calculated at six-month Libor plus 4.75pc.

The project sponsors asked for an internal rate of return of 20pc, which at the time was higher than what was being given to thermal power plants. The equity had a gestation period of four years, and an investment horizon of 50 years.

As an aside, it should be mentioned that Return on Equity for another coal-based power plant coming up in Sahiwal that has just had its upfront tariff for two 660MW plants approved on March 31, 2015, is 27.2pc, and interest during construction is on the same terms as the Karot project: Libor plus 4.5pc.

Compare that to the country’s largest commercial bank, which had one of its most profitable years in 2014, and announced a return on equity of 20pc.

The levelized tariff the sponsors of Karot were seeking in 2011 was 7.5 cents per kilowatt hour for the project life of 50 years. There is no information on what levelized tariff the project has been finalised on today.

“The Pakistan government promised a sound return after recovering construction and operation costs,” says a statement by the Silk Road Fund, which is injecting the capital into a subsidiary of China Three Gorges Corp. There is no indication on what the return is.

My point in raking up this information is not to suggest that the terms being offered are exorbitant. In fact, they sound somewhat reasonable considering what IPPs currently in the system get, and the kinds of return on equity the sponsors were asking for then and now are high by global standards, but not unusual in Pakistan.

My point is simply to underline that these are not aid, nor concessionary funding lines. They are commercial ventures, project financing, on commercial terms.

The concessionary nature of the proposed investments comes in when you consider the fact that hardly anybody else is willing to invest in Pakistan. The World Bank has tired of funding large infrastructure projects, and most bilateral assistance from donor countries now prefers to go into small programmes with high visibility. Foreign direct investment into large infrastructure projects in Pakistan is not feasible since no private investor is ready to acquire large stakes in this country, given its realities.

So we have a bilateral commitment from China instead, which is part governmental in that the Silk Road Fund and the China Three Gorges South Asia Investment, a subsidiary of the China Three Gorges Corporation, is being directed by the government to make the investment. The fund and the company in question will comply with the directive of their government. But they will also seek a return on their investment in line with commercial considerations. If they cannot get that return, the project will not materialise.

This is an interesting model to fuse assistance and investment together into a single offering. The Chinese have developed the template through which to do this, and are applying it around the world.

A lesson from our experiences with the IPPs is worth bearing in mind as we move forward with this investment plan.

When the private power policy was announced, and all the investment in private power generation poured forth under it, the government of the time presented the whole enterprise as a big victory. Hubco was hailed as the “deal of the year” by Euromoney magazine, and the government bragged that Pakistan had a surplus in generation capacity.

That was true at the time, but then the reality hit home when the bills from these IPPs came in, and the new government of Nawaz Sharif discovered that the tariff’s had capacity charges, meaning you had to pay them even if you did not want to buy any of the power they were producing. And most of us remember how that worked out, how the private power policy went from being the panacea to all our problems, to being public enemy number one within a matter of weeks.

Let’s not be foolish about it this time. Let’s understand that we are being offered a historic opportunity, but let’s also tally up the costs and benefits clearly upfront, and keep our commitment to procedures and transparency as we move forward to take advantage of this opportunity.

Courting China with care - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
 
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Any reaction from India is reason for trolling for a Pakistani. If media shows interest, we are obsessed if we say we aren't threatened, we are lying..somehow th 46 billion investment for Pak is doomsday for India.. still can't figure out how?
Another thing due which I saw the Indian media getting overwhelmed was that the route will be passing through Kashmir.
The Azad Kashmir which India claims to be hers.
This move by PakChina pretty much throws the Indian claim on Kashmir into a dustbin.
 
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Media is not showing interest,infact it's going crazy.Butthurt Id say.
Secondly it's not about 46 bn.
It's about India being ignored by China.Nothing awful in this world than being ignored.
How is China ignoring India? Please explain. We do not need any help in certain areas that you are getting where India has the capacity to build its own. India and China have pretty healthy trade as well. As far as any trade routes that Pakistan is in, India will eventually be included since you are sitting right next to one of the world's biggest markets which countries investing in your land cannot ignore. The glee is making you blind. Yes, defense related projects will be a source for concern but for anything else we either don't care or are curious to see what it would mean for our country. Stop the nonsensical butt-hurt posts..we have no reason to be.
 
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All debt financed by Chinese banks is subject to Sinosure fee, which is China’s official export credit insurance agency, and all projects executed using Chinese funds require that they be insured using this agency. Its charges in this project were 1.2pc per annum for both debt and equity investments throughout the project life. Additionally, interest during construction was calculated at six-month Libor plus 4.75pc.

The project sponsors asked for an internal rate of return of 20pc, which at the time was higher than what was being given to thermal power plants. The equity had a gestation period of four years, and an investment horizon of 50 years.

As an aside, it should be mentioned that Return on Equity for another coal-based power plant coming up in Sahiwal that has just had its upfront tariff for two 660MW plants approved on March 31, 2015, is 27.2pc, and interest during construction is on the same terms as the Karot project: Libor plus 4.5pc.

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Yep , I hear you

Basically what this guy is saying is this is a good deal, and Pakistan should accept it with both hands especially as no one else is willing to finance large projects in Pak, but these are commercial loans and will need to be repaid with interest so walk in with your eyes open and make the best use of it.
Can't say I disagree with him. It is not going to make Pak the millionaire on the block overnight as some folk seem to be thinking.
 
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@Dr. Sen

Is indian investment in Vietnam is similar to Chinese investment in Pakistan?

AFAIK Chinese investment is in the form of LOAN that would be returened with interest to Chinese Banks and this loan is provided for infrastructure its not like FDI in RD or manufacturing.
 
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Its only about China my friend not Pakistan. And who said we are not doing anything?

-We will spend ₹11 trillion in Vietnam. That is the same as the size of Vietnam economy in the decade.

-We are training Vietnams military.

-Our navy has deployed there in South China sea to protect Indian oil assets there.

Cannot develop yourself first, and want to develop others. Where did i hear similar jokes?
 
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@Dr. Sen

Is indian investment in Vietnam is similar to Chinese investment in Pakistan?

AFAIK Chinese investment is in the form of LOAN that would be returened with interest to Chinese Banks and this loan is provided for infrastructure its not like FDI in RD or manufacturing.

No we are investing the whole amount into oil drilling in South China Sea.

Cannot develop yourself first, and want to develop others. Where did i hear similar jokes?

No we are using the money to develop ourselves. Only if you would understand that. The ₹11 trillion will go into oil exploration fully for our benefit.

We indians are openly doing it, but China is doing the same thing with the road across Pakistan. That road will carry Chinese export to Gwadar for export to the west. You can stand beside the road and watch as the road carries goods to the west and riches into China. None of that trade will benefit Pakistan.
 
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I dont know man, indians write a long *** article about it and flood the thread, seems like they are pretty threatened.
 
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Yea in 2010 Wen Jiabao promised 35 Billion USD. Sadly Pakistan is still the same hell hole.

Go ahead, try to beat China in a foreign investment war. You'll be completely broke by the time China gets through 10% of its cash.

We indians are openly doing it, but China is doing the same thing with the road across Pakistan. That road will carry Chinese export to Gwadar for export to the west. You can stand beside the road and watch as the road carries goods to the west and riches into China. None of that trade will benefit Pakistan.

Yeah, none of those power projects designed specifically to power Pakistani industry and homes will help Pakistan. None of the ports shipping out Pak goods all over the world will help Pakistan.
 
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don't know but then what was the need for the statement? india get 50 b investment every year, did Pakistan ever stated that we are not afraid of that?

India gets 50 Billion dollars investment EVERY year

So why should we be threatened

Your high commissioner is an idiot and for two reason.
Economic corridors are not weapons against any country, hence not something to be afraid of.
If india is not afraid, then why did he felt compelled to deny a non-existent thing?


India’s high commissioner to Pakistan has said his country is not threatened by the $46-billion economic corridor between Pakistan and China, as an economically-strong Pakistan would bring regional stability.
 
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don't know but then what was the need for the statement? india get 50 b investment every year, did Pakistan ever stated that we are not afraid of that?

Err....probably because the envoy was asked that stupid question........
 
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