'India not safe for Pakistanis' and the IPL controversy

[Awesome]

IMRAN KHAN: Now in politics.was regularly visiting Mumbai while his country burned.
Wasim akram: Poor guy..lost his dear wife because of **** **** medical system.
Shoaib A: Was seen in some advertisements in india TV (poor guy)

Ok now you're posting like a Psycho...

 

[Ruag]

you can't control those bunch of Thugs

they are no 'power full' people

Can Pakistan control its thugs aka Jamaat-e-Islami?

The onus of providing security to the Pakistani players lies solely on IPL franchisees and they have specifically made it clear that they were in no position to do so.

And yes, when it comes to Mumbai, Shiv Sena is pretty powerful.

 

[mr42O]

Can Pakistan control its thugs aka Jamaat-e-Islami?

The onus of providing security to the Pakistani players lies solely on IPL franchisees and they have clearly made it clear that they were in no position to do so.

And yes, when it comes to Mumbai, Shiv Sena is pretty powerful.

Yes we are also saying same. Terrorist controll mumbai

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Can Pakistan control its thugs aka Jamaat-e-Islami?

The onus of providing security to the Pakistani players lies solely on IPL franchisees and they have clearly made it clear that they were in no position to do so.

Jamat i Islami is not a problem at all, they don't do anything 'hyper critical'

And yes, when it comes to Mumbai, Shiv Sena is pretty powerful.

thats new for me

 

[Nemesis]

Number 1 and nothing less! Indians can only avoid defeat by keeping Pakistanis out!

IPL is club cricket. How does Pakistan being world champs in T20 figure into the thread? If Pakistani players had played, they would have been playing for Indian clubs.

 

[hindustan]

what you guys call now south Africa refuse to play

please remove glass from ur eyes

 

[praveen]

If your explanation is the correct one (yet another different reason being offered by Indians) then the question of why the IPL actively pursued Pakistani players to begin with rises again.

The possibility of a terrorist attack in India did not suddenly arise in the few days leading up to the auction, it has existed for a long time.

The IPL should have not shortlisted and pursued Pakistani players to begin with.

The anger here isn't over the fact that Pakistani players are not playing in the IPL, but in the shoddy and unprofessional manner the IPL acted by first inviting and then snubbing, and then offering lame excuses.

It was because they were banking on the GoI to provide security to the players,which the GoI naturally refused as it is a private tournament,then it may have it them that pak players are simply not viable for the buck they are paying.A case of late realization on the franchises part

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Oh really? And why aren't you quoting what the IPL commissioner clearly said: neither he nor the management have any say in what the franchisees select.

You are purposely picking few lines of the statement to serve your bias.

And one of the owners of the franchisees has clearly said why the Pakistani players weren't picked -

Shilpa hits back at Pakistan on IPL issue-Cricket-Sports-Videos-The Times of India

I don't have to 'pick and choose' - these multiple statements by the commissioner and the owners are there for everyone to see. The fact that they are all denying that there was an unofficial consensus to not bid for the Pakistani players is not something they are going to own up to since that is precisely what they are being criticized for.

But it is possible to tell that there was an unofficial consensus to deliberately snub the players because some managers initially said that the Pakistanis were not selected because of the 'needs of the team', and then the tune changed to 'they were not selected because of availability and security concerns'.

Shilpa Shetty, IMO, contradicted herself when she first said that the 'IPL did not contrive to keep out the Pakistani players', and then said that 'they all thought security was an issue'. Who is they? If all the IPL teams get together and decide that security is an issue and they won't bid for the Pakistani players, then that is a 'contrived attempt'.

How could Modi not know that all the IPL teams were 'contriving' to not bid for the Pakistani players because of security? As commissioner he would be the one person to know of these issues. And the fact is that very few people actually believe the IPL owners and commissioner's denials, and not just Pakistanis. Most of the major Indian news outlets have criticized the way things were handled and pointed to unofficial pressure/signals as the reason for this, with many quoting inside sources.

The fact is that Shetty herself let slip in that video that the IPL teams 'contrived together' to keep out the Pakistani players because of (according to her) security concerns. And since security affects the entire league, the IPL commissioner knew of this as well, regardless of what he says.

Right. So, the franchisees didn't communicate its concerns directly to the management and suddenly the world's most well-organized, biggest and richest cricket league is "unprofessional".

Whether the franchise is overall an unprofessional franchise is not something I can comment on since I do not follow it or view its events. However, its actions with respect to how it handled the decision to not have Pakistanis play in the league due to terrorist threats from Indian extremists were extremely unprofessional and shoddy, and it owes the players an apology for that.

And OK, let us believe that the IPL lacked etiquette in this regard. Then what should we make out of the decision by the Pakistani parliamentary committee to not visit India? The Pakistanis make a completely private affair a political issue and vow to take some sought of "revenge" against India. So... look who is talking about etiquette and professionalism!

It is very easy to give sermons. Do some introspection before showering wisdom on others.

What should be made of that decision by the Pak parliamentarians? It is pretty clear that it stands canceled because of Indian attitudes reflected in the IPL tamasha. We did not invite your parliamentarians to Pakistan and then tell them we were not interested in meeting them at the airport when they arrived did we.

The fact is that the extremely unprofessional and rude manner in which the IPL (owners and mgmt) handled the issue is what lends credence to the argument by some that it was the GoI that was unofficially behind the fiasco.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It was because they were banking on the GoI to provide security to the players,which the GoI naturally refused as it is a private tournament,then it may have it them that pak players are simply not viable for the buck they are paying.A case of late realization on the franchises part

And I am willing to accept that as a reason, but the IPL owners and management should have offered such clear and unambiguous rationale before the auction took place and let the affected players know.

If the excuse of 'security' is valid, my guess on why the IPL chose to handle things in such an unprofessional manner is that it was concerned that being transparent and upfront about security concerns might affect the league and potentially turn away other foreign star payers and foreign visitors to India.

Because in essence what the 'lack of security' excuse implies is that the GoI cannot prevent acts of terrorism from mainstream Indian organizations (let alone fringe and/or banned groups) from occurring.

 

[Goodperson]

I don't have to 'pick and choose' - these multiple statements by the commissioner and the owners are there for everyone to see. The fact that they are all denying that there was an unofficial consensus to not bid for the Pakistani players is not something they are going to own up to since that is precisely what they are being criticized for.

But it is possible to tell that there was an unofficial consensus to deliberately snub the players because some managers initially said that the Pakistanis were not selected because of the 'needs of the team', and then the tune changed to 'they were not selected because of availability and security concerns'.

Shilpa Shetty, IMO, contradicted herself when she first said that the 'IPL did not contrive to keep out the Pakistani players', and then said that 'they all thought security was an issue'. Who is they? If all the IPL teams get together and decide that security is an issue and they won't bid for the Pakistani players, then that is a 'contrived attempt'.

How could Modi not know that all the IPL teams were 'contriving' to not bid for the Pakistani players because of security? As commissioner he would be the one person to know of these issues. And the fact is that very few people actually believe the IPL owners and commissioner's denials, and not just Pakistanis. Most of the major Indian news outlets have criticized the way things were handled and pointed to unofficial pressure/signals as the reason for this, with many quoting inside sources.

The fact is that Shetty herself let slip in that video that the IPL teams 'contrived together' to keep out the Pakistani players because of (according to her) security concerns. And since security affects the entire league, the IPL commissioner knew of this as well, regardless of what he says.

Whether the franchise is overall an unprofessional franchise is not something I can comment on since I do not follow it or view its events. However, its actions with respect to how it handled the decision to not have Pakistanis play in the league due to terrorist threats from Indian extremists were extremely unprofessional and shoddy, and it owes the players an apology for that.

What should be made of that decision by the Indian parliamentarians? It is pretty clear that it stands canceled because of Indian attitudes reflected in the IPL tamasha. We did not invite your parliamentarians to Pakistan and then tell them we were not interested in meeting them at the airport when they arrived did we.

The fact is that the extremely unprofessional and rude manner in which the IPL (owners and mgmt) handled the issue is what lends credence to the argument by some that it was the GoI that was unofficially behind the fiasco.

On should fact straight Pakistani players were not selected in auction purely based on their availability and that is not going to change even if you win all the arguments here.

IPL is domestic tournament and over 50% franchises have bases in Mumbai the city which was attacked by stateless actors from Pakistan. Need to take into account the sentiments of people. Its domestic tournament thrives on Indian money, Only foreign players play on Individual capacity and not represent countries.

Wonder why Pakistan interfered and stopped players from playing IPL2 now they are acting childish for IPL3.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

On should fact straight Pakistani players were not selected in auction purely based on their availability and that is not going to change even if you win all the arguments here.

IPL is domestic tournament and over 50% franchises have bases in Mumbai the city which was attacked by stateless actors from Pakistan. Need to take into account the sentiments of people. Its domestic tournament thrives on Indian money, Only foreign players play on Individual capacity and not represent countries.

Wonder why Pakistan interfered and stopped players from playing IPL2 now they are acting childish for IPL3.

Wrong - the major point of criticizm is the manner in which this was handled. If security was a concern on auction day then it was a concern when the Pakistani players were shortlisted and pursued by the IPL. The IPL should have at that point chosen not to shortlist the players and indicated why.

Even if the security concerns did not suddenly become an issue until two days before the auction, the IPL could have still made an announcement to that effect after informing the Pakistani players of the poor security situation. It did none of that.

If the IPL felt that the Indian government could not guarantee against acts of terrorism by Indians on visiting Pakistanis, then it should have been upfront about it and let the players and public know.

 

[mr42O]

Wrong - the major point of criticizm is the manner in which this was handled. If security was a concern on auction day then it was a concern when the Pakistani players were shortlisted and pursued by the IPL. The IPL should have at that point chosen not to shortlist the players and indicated why.

Even if the security concerns did not suddenly become an issue until two days before the auction, the IPL could have still made an announcement to that effect after informing the Pakistani players of the poor security situation. It did none of that.

If the IPL felt that the Indian government could not guarantee against acts of terrorism by Indians on visiting Pakistanis, then it should have been upfront about it and let the players and public know.

I guess there are som threats against Pakistanies as kidnapping of our players etc which Indians have got from some were but dont want to tell truth it will look bad for next year world cup.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

More insider info and speculation:

Paks humiliated as IPL teams run scared​

DARREN BERRY
January 24, 2010


After spending the past two weeks in India preparing for the Indian Premier League in March, I am staggered at the recent treatment of the Pakistan players. I agree with Shahid Afridi that he and his countrymen were humiliated in the IPL auction in Mumbai last week.

It was common knowledge to all involved that the Pakistan players would not be bid for, due to the security concerns still lingering in India after the November 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai. Eleven Pakistan players nominated for the auction and made the final list of 66 players. Unbelievably, the world Twenty20 champions received no interest from any of the franchise owners.

The major concern from all franchises was that if they shelled out big cash for the likes of Afridi, Umar Akmal, Umar Gul, Sohail Tanveer, Shoaib Malik and Saeed Ajmal and the state office failed to register visa applications and entry requirements, the teams would be left high and dry. The Pakistan players' frustration was that they had been told all was sorted out and entry into the 2010 IPL would be all clear. In reality, this was far from the truth and the already-strained relationship between the two countries only worsened last Tuesday afternoon in Mumbai.

Sadly, politics and foreign affairs got in the way of cricket decisions and the game itself, along with the Pakistan players, suffered as a consequence.

I do not have all the information - and possibly never will as this was a very delicate issue played out behind the scenes. However, I do know - due to my coaching role with the Rajasthan Royals - that a few weeks ago Umar Akmal was No. 1 priority on the Royals' shopping list. All of a sudden he was not available. As the auction unfolded live on TV in India, it became evident that it wasn't just Umar Akmal who was in the no-go zone, but all of the Pakistan players.

The press in India asked plenty of questions but got few straight answers. The Pakistan board and past players have vented their anger and disapproval since the snubbing and, sadly, two very proud cricketing nations are once again at loggerheads.

The Pakistan players themselves are angry and rightly so. They feel humiliated that not one of them registered a single bid. The question is: why were they allowed to stay in the auction if no one was going to bid for them? Something far more sinister was bubbling behind the scenes and, sadly, the players themselves knew nothing about it.

The owners of teams invested their money in players who were certain bets, players such as Kieron Pollard, Wayne Parnell, Kemar Roach and injury-prone Kiwi Shane Bond. The maximum available to spend by any franchise was $US750,000, however another cleverly concocted adjunct to the main auction was the silent auction that was to be conducted after the main event. Both Pollard and Bond had interest from more than one team at the maximum price and therefore qualified for the silent auction. Each team was permitted one bid only for each player. To absolutely secure your man you had to bid big.

But the biggest coup was that any additional money above the maximum of $750,000 would go directly to the BCCI which is, after all, the parent of the IPL.

The Mumbai Indians were the successful bidder on Pollard for a figure allegedly in excess of $2 million. Bond went to the Kolkata Knightriders for the ''paltry'' sum of $1.2 million.

The game has gone mad. Six weeks in India for telephone-number figures or drag yourself all over the world for 10 months of the year for your country for less than half the money. That must have been a real tough decision for Bond. Cash over country is becoming the top priority for many superstars, especially those in the twilight of their career.

The auction itself was a circus, with Bollywood actors and actresses as well as billionaire businessmen holding up baton lights from their tables when they wished to place a bid. Clearly, most had been briefed with plans and strategies from the cricket brains at each franchise.

In India, or with the IPL at least, it's about the sideshow just as much as the main show and the auction was watched by millions of people.

The passion for the game in the subcontinent is like nothing else in the world. It makes the fanatical fans of our AFL competition look meek and mild. The game is like a religion for the vast majority in India. The IPL roadshow is warming up once again and come March 12 the biggest cricket event the world has ever seen will kick off for its third year. The poignant part about it is that for the second year in a row no Pakistan players will feature on the big stage, for reasons totally out of the players' hands and nothing to do with the game.

Paks humiliated as IPL teams run scared

 

[Supersonic26]

More insider info and speculation:

Paks humiliated as IPL teams run scared​

DARREN BERRY
January 24, 2010


After spending the past two weeks in India preparing for the Indian Premier League in March, I am staggered at the recent treatment of the Pakistan players. I agree with Shahid Afridi that he and his countrymen were humiliated in the IPL auction in Mumbai last week.

It was common knowledge to all involved that the Pakistan players would not be bid for, due to the security concerns still lingering in India after the November 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai. Eleven Pakistan players nominated for the auction and made the final list of 66 players. Unbelievably, the world Twenty20 champions received no interest from any of the franchise owners.

The major concern from all franchises was that if they shelled out big cash for the likes of Afridi, Umar Akmal, Umar Gul, Sohail Tanveer, Shoaib Malik and Saeed Ajmal and the state office failed to register visa applications and entry requirements, the teams would be left high and dry. The Pakistan players' frustration was that they had been told all was sorted out and entry into the 2010 IPL would be all clear. In reality, this was far from the truth and the already-strained relationship between the two countries only worsened last Tuesday afternoon in Mumbai.

Sadly, politics and foreign affairs got in the way of cricket decisions and the game itself, along with the Pakistan players, suffered as a consequence.

I do not have all the information - and possibly never will as this was a very delicate issue played out behind the scenes. However, I do know - due to my coaching role with the Rajasthan Royals - that a few weeks ago Umar Akmal was No. 1 priority on the Royals' shopping list. All of a sudden he was not available. As the auction unfolded live on TV in India, it became evident that it wasn't just Umar Akmal who was in the no-go zone, but all of the Pakistan players.

The press in India asked plenty of questions but got few straight answers. The Pakistan board and past players have vented their anger and disapproval since the snubbing and, sadly, two very proud cricketing nations are once again at loggerheads.

The Pakistan players themselves are angry and rightly so. They feel humiliated that not one of them registered a single bid. The question is: why were they allowed to stay in the auction if no one was going to bid for them? Something far more sinister was bubbling behind the scenes and, sadly, the players themselves knew nothing about it.

The owners of teams invested their money in players who were certain bets, players such as Kieron Pollard, Wayne Parnell, Kemar Roach and injury-prone Kiwi Shane Bond. The maximum available to spend by any franchise was $US750,000, however another cleverly concocted adjunct to the main auction was the silent auction that was to be conducted after the main event. Both Pollard and Bond had interest from more than one team at the maximum price and therefore qualified for the silent auction. Each team was permitted one bid only for each player. To absolutely secure your man you had to bid big.

But the biggest coup was that any additional money above the maximum of $750,000 would go directly to the BCCI which is, after all, the parent of the IPL.

The Mumbai Indians were the successful bidder on Pollard for a figure allegedly in excess of $2 million. Bond went to the Kolkata Knightriders for the ''paltry'' sum of $1.2 million.

The game has gone mad. Six weeks in India for telephone-number figures or drag yourself all over the world for 10 months of the year for your country for less than half the money. That must have been a real tough decision for Bond. Cash over country is becoming the top priority for many superstars, especially those in the twilight of their career.

The auction itself was a circus, with Bollywood actors and actresses as well as billionaire businessmen holding up baton lights from their tables when they wished to place a bid. Clearly, most had been briefed with plans and strategies from the cricket brains at each franchise.

In India, or with the IPL at least, it's about the sideshow just as much as the main show and the auction was watched by millions of people.

The passion for the game in the subcontinent is like nothing else in the world. It makes the fanatical fans of our AFL competition look meek and mild. The game is like a religion for the vast majority in India. The IPL roadshow is warming up once again and come March 12 the biggest cricket event the world has ever seen will kick off for its third year. The poignant part about it is that for the second year in a row no Pakistan players will feature on the big stage, for reasons totally out of the players' hands and nothing to do with the game.

Paks humiliated as IPL teams run scared

Buddy i am an indian so i know more what's going on india then you. IPL teams owner laughing and giving interviews. They not running. i have to agree with u on pakistan humilated though. i feel sad because IPL teams owners done bit bad karma by humilating pak players.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Buddy i am an indian so i know more what's going on india then you. IPL teams owner laughing and giving interviews. They not running. i have to agree with u on pakistan humilated though. i feel sad because IPL teams owners done bit bad karma by humilating pak players.

Just because you are Indian does not mean you have the ability or desire to analyze events in India accurately and objectively.

Thanks