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India no longer the world’s fastest-growing major economy. Was it ever?

It was not the kind of news a freshly reelected government likes to hear.

Days after Narendra Modi was sworn in for a second term as India’s prime minister, industry data showed that sales of passenger vehicles experienced their biggest slump in 18 years in May. The next month’s figures were almost as bad, indicating substantial declines in the number of cars sold nationwide compared with a year earlier.

The nose-dive in the auto industry feeds into a growing set of worries about India’s economic trajectory. In recent years, India’s official gross domestic product (GDP) figures showed it to be the fastest-growing major economy in the world. Now its economy is undeniably losing speed, and the key uncertainty is how long the softer pace of growth will last.

What’s more, some economists are questioning whether India truly deserved the title of the globe’s fastest-growing major economy in the first place — and those questions are coming straight from the top.

In June, Arvind Subramanian, who stepped down as the government’s chief economic adviser last year, released a paper arguing that India’s GDP growth was considerably slower than the official figures showed from 2012 to 2017. The government rejected such conclusions.

Still, all of this adds up to a major policy challenge for the Modi government. To achieve its goal of turning India into a $5 trillion economy by 2024, the economy must expand significantly faster than it is growing today. Rapid economic growth is also crucial if India is to generate jobs for its youthful workforce, eradicate extreme poverty and achieve Modi’s aim to turn India into a major player on the world stage.

The ripples of unease about the accuracy of the official figures make the task even trickier. If the “government itself is formulating policies based on growth numbers that may not be correct, then you are setting yourself up for making the wrong policy choices,” said Jahangir Aziz, head of emerging market economics at JPMorgan Chase.

The predicament of the auto industry is a prime example of the effect of slower growth. Some manufacturers have announced rolling shutdowns of their production lines because there is not enough demand for their vehicles.

Regulatory changes have increased the cost of cars, and a credit squeeze has affected nontraditional lenders extending auto loans. But fundamentally, Sen said, the decline in sales is a question of sentiment. The sector “depends very significantly on how people feel,” he said. “When the economy grows, the industry does well, but when the growth rate falls below a certain level, that impacts the industry very, very significantly.”

In the fiscal year that ended in March, India’s GDP growth declined to 6.8 percent, the lowest rate in five years. In the most recent quarter, the annual growth rate was just 5.8 percent, the first time the country’s quarterly economic growth trailed China’s in two years. India’s challenge is an echo of what developing economies around the world are facing as a widening trade war initiated by the United States depresses sentiment and investment. India’s state-owned banks are also burdened by corporate loans gone sour, which has made them more reluctant to lend.

Some economists see India’s slowing growth as a temporary phenomenon. They say output will re-accelerate as measures to kick-start economic activity — such as lowering interest rates — gain traction. “Growth is slipping, but you need to look a little ahead,” said Dharmakirti Joshi, chief economist at Crisil, an Indian ratings firm owned by Standard & Poor’s. “I’m more positive on the, let’s say, five-year outlook than the current year outlook.”

Others say the deceleration is partly the product of some of the Modi government’s policy choices in its first term. Such measures include the decision to implement a nationwide value-added tax (a step economists say is necessary in the long run) and the surprise decision to invalidate most of the country’s bank notes (a step many economists say was disastrous).

Other experts contend the malaise in the economy runs deeper and preceded the Modi government. Subramanian argued in a paper first released in June that India’s GDP growth figures from 2012 to 2017 do not correspond with some of the underlying economic indicators.

According to the official figures, “India somehow sustained an economic boom in an environment with substantially lower investment, profits, exports, credit financing, and probably consumption,” Subramanian wrote in a follow-up piece this month. “That leaves us with a deep puzzle.”

By his calculations, rather than expanding at a rate of 7 percent per year, India’s economy probably expanded at closer to 4.5 percent per year after 2011 — an economy growing “solidly but not spectacularly.”

Subramanian’s piece set off a minor firestorm. A council of economists who advise Modi disputed the arguments in the paper and said it “lacks rigor.” Rakesh Mohan, the former deputy governor of India’s central bank, expressed doubts about Subramanian’s methodology and questioned his decision to go public with a detailed analysis.

“You should be telling the truth, but in what fashion?” said Mohan.

If Subramanian’s conclusions are correct, then “any company, any investor” would have to rethink its expectations of India’s economy.

“It’s very bad,” said Sugato Sen, deputy director general of the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers. He said the only period he could remember when the business experienced a similarly prolonged slump came in 2001.
 
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indian economy was never the fastest growing. Their own member of national economic council (A very top economist) have worked out numbers in an oxford paper and shown that indian economy was growing, on avg, at 4.5% in last 5-10 years, and not 7.5% avg. If you look at the individual sectors and their output, it is very easy to see that india is no way near where it claims to be.

indians have a habit of fudging numbers, editing wikipedia, and lying through teeth---all to hide their own failures, defeats, and humiliations. So its not surprising that they lied on economy too.

Pakistan GDP per capita (PPP) is under-counted by 25% to 30% according to our finance minister in 2015. If india grew by 4.5% since 2011 instead of 7.5%....and our GDP per capita (PPP) is under-counted by as much as 30% (if not more)----than GDP per capita PPP of Pakistan is still above india's, as it had been for decades until 2008ish.

@Nilgiri what would indian GDP per capita (PPP) be if we assume the avg growth of 4.5% since 2011?
 
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India will face problems if they do not educate the young workforce that they’re placing their hopes in. The future economy will completely render low skilled repetitive work useless.

Death or emigration will be the only 2 choices soon.
 
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indian economy was never the fastest growing. Their own member of national economic council (A very top economist) have worked out numbers in an oxford paper and shown that indian economy was growing, on avg, at 4.5% in last 5-10 years, and not 7.5% avg. If you look at the individual sectors and their output, it is very easy to see that india is no way near where it claims to be.

indians have a habit of fudging numbers, editing wikipedia, and lying through teeth---all to hide their own failures, defeats, and humiliations. So its not surprising that they lied on economy too.

Pakistan GDP per capita (PPP) is under-counted by 25% to 30% according to our finance minister in 2015. If india grew by 4.5% since 2011 instead of 7.5%....and our GDP per capita (PPP) is under-counted by as much as 30% (if not more)----than GDP per capita PPP of Pakistan is still above india's, as it had been for decades until 2008ish.

@Nilgiri what would indian GDP per capita (PPP) be if we assume the avg growth of 4.5% since 2011?

He has been thoroughly discredited, given he blatantly cherry picked to get a result he wanted....and ignored underlying macro-consumption and the best macro-correlators like energy consumption and tax revenues (both of which would have to be severely lower than they are if the growth rate is lot lower, given they are huge indicators of consumption and quality liquidity).

This is why no fellow economist (an economist is different to media journalists who have their own agenda and little knowledge of the issues) has supported him. Because if you look at his tweets, he actually says his issue with the IMF GVA methodology applies as a problem w.r.t China and every other developing country more broadly....i.e that a certain amount of growth is always going to be too high for his perspective. Knowing that Pakistan is growing at barely 2 or 3 %, if you are huge into his perspective, Pakistan is probably at 0 % growth and maybe even negative...you want to support that?

With energy consumption and tax revenue, investment and market cap etc....it becomes quite clear that India is soundly growing at 6% - 7% annually as a minimum base. Cyclical problems from formalisation trends only govern above this....and govern industries (like automobiles, transport etc) where the per capita level of production/consumption is 2, 3+ times that of Pakistan in first place (so really, you shoot yourself in the foot w.r.t pakistan bringing it up).

You simply wont get this kind of result disparity for example if it weren't true (since you are intent to try make this a comparison with Pakistan - which is in terrible state right now):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.AIR.PSGR?locations=IN-PK

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE?locations=IN-PK

I mean should we cherry pick on stuff like that? (Trust me you dont want to see what the energy consumption is for the next 4 years since between the two, its in a BP report if you really want it).

Recently the market cap for India is 2.2 trillion and Pakistan's has fallen close to 40 billion (significant because this sets frontier of liquidity you can borrow from yourself before borrowing from foreign sources). I will let you do the per capita math on that. Should we cherry pick on that too?

You really should focus on basic delivery of things like this (given you are falling further and further behind in multi povery index compared to India):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.UNER.ZS?locations=IN-PK

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?locations=IN-PK

Because you and the others in this thread are sorely uneducated about economics to begin with....so its best you focus your time on your own priority issues. In pakistan's case it is 30 years behind on out of school rate and 15 years behind on infant mortality rate....thanks to oligarch malaise and stasis. So yeah, there is a reason to the dire predicament its in right now socioeconomically. It's actually shrunk in USD nominal GDP this year because of it. There could be more years of that....truly disastrous given how the debt burden (since thats in USD too) then accelerates because of denominator shrinking.
 
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He has been thoroughly discredited, given he blatantly cherry picked to get a result he wanted....and ignored underlying macro-consumption and the best macro-correlators like energy consumption and tax revenues (both of which would have to be severely lower than they are if the growth rate is lot lower, given they are huge indicators of consumption and quality liquidity).

This is why no fellow economist (an economist is different to media journalists who have their own agenda and little knowledge of the issues) has supported him. Because if you look at his tweets, he actually says his issue with the IMF GVA methodology applies as a problem w.r.t China and every other developing country more broadly....i.e that a certain amount of growth is always going to be too high for his perspective. Knowing that Pakistan is growing at barely 2 or 3 %, if you are huge into his perspective, Pakistan is probably at 0 % growth and maybe even negative...you want to support that?

With energy consumption and tax revenue, investment and market cap etc....it becomes quite clear that India is soundly growing at 6% - 7% annually as a minimum base. Cyclical problems from formalisation trends only govern above this....and govern industries (like automobiles, transport etc) where the per capita level of production/consumption is 2, 3+ times that of Pakistan in first place (so really, you shoot yourself in the foot w.r.t pakistan bringing it up).

You simply wont get this kind of result disparity for example if it weren't true (since you are intent to try make this a comparison with Pakistan - which is in terrible state right now):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.AIR.PSGR?locations=IN-PK

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE?locations=IN-PK

I mean should we cherry pick on stuff like that? (Trust me you dont want to see what the energy consumption is for the next 4 years since between the two, its in a BP report if you really want it).

Recently the market cap for India is 2.2 trillion and Pakistan's has fallen close to 40 billion (significant because this sets frontier of liquidity you can borrow from yourself before borrowing from foreign sources). I will let you do the per capita math on that. Should we cherry pick on that too?

You really should focus on basic delivery of things like this (given you are falling further and further behind in multi povery index compared to India):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.UNER.ZS?locations=IN-PK

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?locations=IN-PK

Because you and the others in this thread are sorely uneducated about economics to begin with....so its best you focus your time on your own priority issues. In pakistan's case it is 30 years behind on out of school rate and 15 years behind on infant mortality rate....thanks to oligarch malaise and stasis. So yeah, there is a reason to the dire predicament its in right now socioeconomically. It's actually shrunk in USD nominal GDP this year because of it. There could be more years of that....truly disastrous given how the debt burden (since thats in USD too) then accelerates because of denominator shrinking.

Almost every economist in India said Demon was a disaster. But surprisingly it barely registered a blip in Indian statistics compiled by government.
 
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Even their own bjp leader yashwant sinha said that Modi government is the worst in manipulating data..thay have shown fake growth by fudging numbers.
Shame really
 
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India no longer the world’s fastest-growing major economy. Was it ever?

It was not the kind of news a freshly reelected government likes to hear.

Days after Narendra Modi was sworn in for a second term as India’s prime minister, industry data showed that sales of passenger vehicles experienced their biggest slump in 18 years in May. The next month’s figures were almost as bad, indicating substantial declines in the number of cars sold nationwide compared with a year earlier.

The nose-dive in the auto industry feeds into a growing set of worries about India’s economic trajectory. In recent years, India’s official gross domestic product (GDP) figures showed it to be the fastest-growing major economy in the world. Now its economy is undeniably losing speed, and the key uncertainty is how long the softer pace of growth will last.

What’s more, some economists are questioning whether India truly deserved the title of the globe’s fastest-growing major economy in the first place — and those questions are coming straight from the top.

In June, Arvind Subramanian, who stepped down as the government’s chief economic adviser last year, released a paper arguing that India’s GDP growth was considerably slower than the official figures showed from 2012 to 2017. The government rejected such conclusions.

Still, all of this adds up to a major policy challenge for the Modi government. To achieve its goal of turning India into a $5 trillion economy by 2024, the economy must expand significantly faster than it is growing today. Rapid economic growth is also crucial if India is to generate jobs for its youthful workforce, eradicate extreme poverty and achieve Modi’s aim to turn India into a major player on the world stage.

The ripples of unease about the accuracy of the official figures make the task even trickier. If the “government itself is formulating policies based on growth numbers that may not be correct, then you are setting yourself up for making the wrong policy choices,” said Jahangir Aziz, head of emerging market economics at JPMorgan Chase.

The predicament of the auto industry is a prime example of the effect of slower growth. Some manufacturers have announced rolling shutdowns of their production lines because there is not enough demand for their vehicles.

Regulatory changes have increased the cost of cars, and a credit squeeze has affected nontraditional lenders extending auto loans. But fundamentally, Sen said, the decline in sales is a question of sentiment. The sector “depends very significantly on how people feel,” he said. “When the economy grows, the industry does well, but when the growth rate falls below a certain level, that impacts the industry very, very significantly.”

In the fiscal year that ended in March, India’s GDP growth declined to 6.8 percent, the lowest rate in five years. In the most recent quarter, the annual growth rate was just 5.8 percent, the first time the country’s quarterly economic growth trailed China’s in two years. India’s challenge is an echo of what developing economies around the world are facing as a widening trade war initiated by the United States depresses sentiment and investment. India’s state-owned banks are also burdened by corporate loans gone sour, which has made them more reluctant to lend.

Some economists see India’s slowing growth as a temporary phenomenon. They say output will re-accelerate as measures to kick-start economic activity — such as lowering interest rates — gain traction. “Growth is slipping, but you need to look a little ahead,” said Dharmakirti Joshi, chief economist at Crisil, an Indian ratings firm owned by Standard & Poor’s. “I’m more positive on the, let’s say, five-year outlook than the current year outlook.”

Others say the deceleration is partly the product of some of the Modi government’s policy choices in its first term. Such measures include the decision to implement a nationwide value-added tax (a step economists say is necessary in the long run) and the surprise decision to invalidate most of the country’s bank notes (a step many economists say was disastrous).

Other experts contend the malaise in the economy runs deeper and preceded the Modi government. Subramanian argued in a paper first released in June that India’s GDP growth figures from 2012 to 2017 do not correspond with some of the underlying economic indicators.

According to the official figures, “India somehow sustained an economic boom in an environment with substantially lower investment, profits, exports, credit financing, and probably consumption,” Subramanian wrote in a follow-up piece this month. “That leaves us with a deep puzzle.”

By his calculations, rather than expanding at a rate of 7 percent per year, India’s economy probably expanded at closer to 4.5 percent per year after 2011 — an economy growing “solidly but not spectacularly.”

Subramanian’s piece set off a minor firestorm. A council of economists who advise Modi disputed the arguments in the paper and said it “lacks rigor.” Rakesh Mohan, the former deputy governor of India’s central bank, expressed doubts about Subramanian’s methodology and questioned his decision to go public with a detailed analysis.

“You should be telling the truth, but in what fashion?” said Mohan.

If Subramanian’s conclusions are correct, then “any company, any investor” would have to rethink its expectations of India’s economy.

“It’s very bad,” said Sugato Sen, deputy director general of the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers. He said the only period he could remember when the business experienced a similarly prolonged slump came in 2001.

There was a growing doubt about India's so-called economic miracle, from the get-go. One factor stared glaringly back at India, exposing the truth about the state of India's economy and that is it's unrelenting abject poverty. Real economic indicators are "NEVER" the stock markets. By virtue of which these so-called GDP figures have little to no significance when it comes to how a country's economy is really performing. In this respect, what the world and India have done is brush the reality under the carpet and ignored it. And that is India's poor population, which accounts for nearly (24%) a quarter of the world's poverty, other words India's poverty stricken population (220 million) is greater than Pakistan's total population. But these figures are also debated, as most economists believe the number to be much higher than 24%, in real terms India's poor population is said to be around 37%.

There is a lesson in this for Pakistan and Pakistanis. Remember that the only way you know whether the economy is really growing is when your citizens have jobs, salaries can pay for living expenses, inflation is very low, "Riba" is purged from society and where the real luxury for the average man is that he owns actual, physical gold and silver. Education is standardized, not a profit making scheme and capitalism is implemented in it's true form, not the one we see prevalent in America, Britain, France and the rest of the Zionist controlled Western World. Poverty is reduced when wealth is permitted to circulate in the economy, not circumvent the common citizens and be pocketed by a few privileged.
 
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Modi is truly a FEKU as claimed by Congress. Chaiwala is a shrewed politician, but he has his handlers. To this very day he never took any seroius question from any reporter about economy cause he does not know what to answer.

All lies lead to the truth !
 
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