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India needs 18 submarines to deal with Pakistan, China

Which one boss?


Do you even understand what ur writting? how will ur shipyards do tht when they r not even building the scorpions?...



PAF will surely be busy... but PAF has 2 dedicated sqds for naval role... right now its being fulfilled by Mirage ROSEs... But in future JF-17 blk-I or II will replace it.... who know PN might gets its own naval jets...2 or 3 P-8s to hunt 11+ subs will be hell of a different tast dnt u think? considering PN also operates a upgraded PC-3 orions with Hawkeye 2000 radars.....About ground radars.. well doesnt it eliminate the advantages of both countries?

Drills are done to perfect tactics which could be used in war scenerios...

The first thing .. about the USSR carrier it was laughable because they do not keep their radars off.. u may have get the drift

Indian shipyards are making Scorpion that is the reason it got delayed .You should know that
 
The first thing .. about the USSR carrier it was laughable because they do not keep their radars off.. u may have get the drift

Indian shipyards are making Scorpion that is the reason it got delayed .You should know that

My mistake.. i meant USS Super carrier Abe Lincoln.. see my post number 49.

About indian shipyards making scorpion subs... Bro first you need to launch them... before doing all that thing... If you know what i mean!
 
My mistake.. i meant USS Super carrier Abe Lincoln.. see my post number 49.

About indian shipyards making scorpion subs... Bro first you need to launch them... before doing all that thing... If you know what i mean!

I only discussed about the basic reason for them being delayed.
 
Hey,

This thread is in a wrong section. There is a dedicated section for India Defence. MODs please move this.
 
well done sir...thats a lot of money

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i heard tejas is also being built in your shipyards....is that reason for a 40 year delay?

Dude how many times are you going to come back with a new id? and still get banned!
 
Agosta 90s are extremely potent submarines, It is strange of PN to not go for those 2 more French Agosta 90s in dock yard decommissioned in 1999-2001, that puts pressure on IN, It would cost PN less then $175M to refurbish upgrade them the fraction of the cost with multifold capabilities non is interested to discuss that, indian navy acknowledges and knows the importance of it.
 
Agosta 90s are extremely potent submarines, It is strange of PN to not go for those 2 more French Agosta 90s in dock yard decommissioned in 1999-2001, that puts pressure on IN, It would cost PN less then $175M to refurbish upgrade them the fraction of the cost with multifold capabilities non is interested to discuss that, indian navy acknowledges and knows the importance of it.

i think somewhere on this forum, someone did mention that PN might opt for 1 more Agosta 90B and then decommission the Agosta 70s as newer Qing class comes in.....but i think it will materialise in the next 2-3 years.
 
Pakistan and China should take part in more joint Navy drills in the Indian Ocean and both countries' Navies should cooperate with each other against the India threat.


LONG LIVE PAKISTAN-CHINA FRIENDSHIP !!!!

:pakistan: :china:
 
i think somewhere on this forum, someone did mention that PN might opt for 1 more Agosta 90B and then decommission the Agosta 70s as newer Qing class comes in.....but i think it will materialise in the next 2-3 years.

Negative, PN is upgrading Agosta 70s and contract has been signed with DCN, and DCNS shipped atleast 2 or perhaps three Mesma air-independent propulsion modules ordered by the Pakistan Navy for its DCNS-designed Agosta 90B submarines.

Again and Again the question arises why PN did not go for those decommissioned Agosta 90s that are from the same era Agosta 70s were put into service, infact those 3 Agosta 90s are in excellent condition atleast two of them in French dockyard.
 
India needs 18 submarines to deal with Pakistan, China


2011-11-12 (China Military News cited from News Desk) -- India's submarine fleet is dying of old age, and new boats are not going to arrive in time as it believes it needs at least 18 non-nuclear subs in service to deal with Pakistan and China.

It's not like this was a surprise, but the Indian defence procurement bureaucracy has long been noted as slow, sloppy and stubborn, especially in the face of demands that it speed up.

The twisted tale of the tardy submarines is particularly painful. The plan was to have a dozen new subs in service by the end of the decade. At present, there will be (with a bit of luck) six of them in service by then. The other six might arrive five years later. It's hard to say, because the manufacturer of the second six has not been selected yet. The defence procurement nabobs speak of 'fast track' for this project, but long-time observers of these officials are not expecting speed.

India's effort to build the first six subs (French Scorpenes), under license, has been delayed several times, and the price has gone up to $5 billion ($834 million each). While this effort will leave India with thousands of workers and specialists experienced in building modern submarines, all that will be wasted because the defence procurement bureaucrats seem to have learned nothing. These officials already caused numerous delays, and cost overruns, during negotiations to build the Scorpene diesel-electric submarines. The bureaucrats mismanaged this deal to the extent that it is nearly three years behind schedule. But it is even more behind schedule if you count the several years the Indian bureaucrats delayed it even getting started. The delays and mismanagement have so far increased the cost of $4 billion project by 25 percent. The first Scorpene is supposed to enter service in 2015, with one a year after that until all six are delivered.

There's some urgency to all this, because by next year, five of India's 16 subs (10 Kilo and two Foxtrot class Russian built boats and four German Type 209s) will be retired (some are already semi-retired because of age and infirmity). Two years after that, India will only have five working subs.

But the bureaucrats and politicians dithered for nearly a decade, and it wasn't until 2005 that India signed a deal to buy six French Scorpene class boats. The delays led to the French increasing prices on some key components, and India has had some problems in getting production going on their end. The first Scorpene was to be built in France, with the other five built in India. While some problems were expected (India has been doing licence manufacturing of complex weapons for decades), the Defence Ministry procurement bureaucrats never ceased to amaze when it came to delaying work, or just getting in the way.
India Will need a lot more because we getting 6 Nuclear Submarines and 3 Augusta which we already have and also if we develop our own Submarine India will need more Submarine to deal with China and by the way the way India Bangladesh Relations note it that soon Bangladesh will have big Submarines to protect its sea from India
 
what is the importance of this thread, International Maritime Union and UN resolution says that only 18 km from the cost of a nation can be decalred as a nations land. the rest of the ocean and sea is open to every one to go and explore.
So if the IN is good to save that 18 kms though or SUBs are not working then its ok.
And after all all three nations are not at war to geopardize the growth that the east is ataining by wagging a war.

Dude its 200miles in case of continental shelf expansion....
and in bay of bengal and arabian sea indian navy is needed to ward the threat of piracy !!
 
Pakistan and China should take part in more joint Navy drills in the Indian Ocean and both countries' Navies should cooperate with each other against the India threat.


LONG LIVE PAKISTAN-CHINA FRIENDSHIP !!!!

:pakistan: :china:


Threat from India, forget it. BY the way who started all 4 wars??? who is threatening small neighbors???

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India Will need a lot more because we getting 6 Nuclear Submarines and 3 Augusta which we already have and also if we develop our own Submarine India will need more Submarine to deal with China and by the way the way India Bangladesh Relations note it that soon Bangladesh will have big Submarines to protect its sea from India


From where you are getting 6 Nuclear submarines.
 
Defence procurement bureaucrats seem to have learned nothing. These officials already caused numerous delays, and cost overruns, during negotiations to build the Scorpene diesel-electric submarines. The bureaucrats mismanaged this deal to the extent that it is nearly three years behind schedule. But it is even more behind schedule if you count the several years the Indian bureaucrats delayed it even getting started.
These a$$hole bureaucrats need to be sent to the gallows together with those bl00dy politicians! Most projects have been delayed because of kickback problems of the politico-bureaucratic nexus. Haggling for the kickback amounts, does take time. Never mind India's security. That can wait. It's the money that makes the mare go! Elementary, Dr Watson! :azn:
 
Threat from India, forget it. BY the way who started all 4 wars??? who is threatening small neighbors???

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From where you are getting 6 Nuclear submarines.
China we are buying Qing Class Nuclear Submarines and 2 Type 54 Frigates
 

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