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India names 2 suspects in deadly train attacks
Government detains 350 for questioning, vows to crush terrorism
Commuters ride the local suburban trains during office rush hour in Mumbai, India, on Thursday.


Updated: 55 minutes ago
MUMBAI, India - Authorities named two suspects Thursday in the Mumbai commuter train bombings that killed at least 200 people.

The government’s Anti-Terror Squad released photos of two young, bearded men it identified as Sayyad Zabiuddin and Zulfeqar Fayyaz. Their nationalities were not provided.

It also was not clear where the photos — headshots which appeared to have been taken for identification documents — originated.

Police earlier detained about 350 people for questioning amid suspicion that Kashmiri militants could be linked to Tuesday’s bombings.

The detentions also came as a man claiming to represent al-Qaida said the terror network had set up a wing in Kashmir and praised the attacks.

A senior intelligence official said the government was taking the claim seriously and authorities were trying to trace a call the man made to a Kashmiri news service.

“Our immediate effort is to locate the caller and ascertain the authenticity of the claim,” the official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. “The government is taking it very seriously.”

Al-Qaida’s first strike in India?
There have been allegations that Islamic militants fighting to wrest predominantly Muslim Kashmir from India have ties to al-Qaida, but Thursday’s statement would be the first time Osama bin Laden’s network claimed to have spread to Indian territory.

Police Inspector S. Goshal said most of the 350 detentions were made overnight in Malwani, a northeastern suburb of Bombay. They were rounded up only for questioning to help with the investigations, and none have been charged or formally arrested, he said.

Bombay police Commissioner A.N. Roy said those rounded up included known thugs, gangsters and troublemakers who might have information about the culprits.

Investigators were looking into a possible link with Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, an Islamic militant group based in Kashmir, said P.S. Pasricha, police chief of Maharashtra state. Lashkar has in the past employed near-simultaneous explosions to attack Indian cities.

A spokesman for Lashkar, Abdullah Ghaznavi, denied the group was involved.

The purported al-Qaida member, who identified himself as Abu al-Hadeed, appealed to Indian Muslims to take up jihad and said “whosoever has carried out the attacks in Bombay we express our gratitude and happiness.” It was impossible to verify his identity or his claims independently.

The train bombings “are a reaction to what is happening to the minorities, especially Muslims in India,” the man said in a statement read over the phone to Kashmir’s Current News Service.

“We appeal to Muslims in India to fight for freedom and Islam and choose jihad as their way to achieve freedom and establishing Islamic ways,” he was quoted as saying.

‘Nothing will deter us’
The Current News Service said the man spoke in Urdu, the language of most Muslims in the Indian subcontinent, though he identified himself with an Arabic name.

“Today a unit of al-Qaida has been established in Jammu and Kashmir which shall henceforth be called al-Qaida Jammu and Kashmir,” the man said. “We shall be giving out statements regularly and will soon announce our aims and objectives.”

The government, meanwhile, reiterated its commitment to fight terrorism.

“Nothing will deter us from our firm policy to fight this menace till it is wiped out. We are determined to apprehend and bring to justice all those responsible for the evil acts in Mumbai,” said a Cabinet statement. Bombay is also known as Mumbai.

The Indian Foreign Ministry demanded Wednesday that neighboring rival Pakistan dismantle all terrorist networks on land it controls — but fell short of directly accusing it for the attacks.



‘Can’t really blame ... Pakistan’
Kashmir is divided between the two countries but claimed by both. The region is largely Muslim, and the militants want a Kashmir independent of Hindu-majority India or joined to Pakistan.

In an interview with The Associated Press in Washington, Pakistan’s foreign minister bristled at suggestions that his country bore responsibility for the attacks.

“You can’t really blame everything on Pakistan; it’s very unfair,” Khurshid Kasuri said. “India is a vast country. There are lots of people who have their own agendas, not just in Kashmir.”

Bombay, a city of 16 million people, was back on track Thursday with tens of thousands of people jamming the commuter train service that was hit by eight bombs, killing at least 200 people and wounding 700.

“The city has faced attacks in the past. It has always bounced back quickly ... people have to go to work. What else are we going to do,” said Ashwini Lolo, an office worker in his 20s, at the Bandra station waiting to board a train.
 
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Very true these days. But in this particular incident its very possible. Given that SIMI was rejected its petition to uplift a ban, it might have done this to show the Indians off.

SIMI's agenda states that it wishes to turn India into an Islamic land.

What I find amusing is that now that every other thing is pointing to SIMI there's an effort to now link SIMI with Pakistan. As the LeT links drop, this new angle is being explored.
 
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Matter of time and the SIMI will be linked to Pakistan, its too predictable.
Some article I read at WAB mentioned that the SIMI exists of homegrown muslim 'terrorists' who have connection with in mighty Maharashtra underworld.

I'm curious how they'll find a way to link it with Pakistan though. :cool:
 
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airbus said:
Always muslims..

Yeah when you have an idiot like this, why shud we not?

“We appeal to Muslims in India to fight for freedom and Islam and choose jihad as their way to achieve freedom and establishing Islamic ways,” he was quoted as saying.

What I find amusing is that now that every other thing is pointing to SIMI there's an effort to now link SIMI with Pakistan. As the LeT links drop, this new angle is being explored.
So where did they get their arms from? Not from La la land for sure. Face the fact, almost always most of the terror groups arms originate from Pakistan.
 
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Jay_ said:
So where did they get their arms from? Not from La la land for sure. Face the fact, almost always most of the terror groups arms originate from Pakistan.
Assumptions...no proves though.
SIMI is supported by the Maharashtra underworld.
 
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Jay_ said:
Yeah when you have an idiot like this, why shud we not?




So where did they get their arms from? Not from La la land for sure. Face the fact, almost always most of the terror groups arms originate from Pakistan.
Man the entire country of India is filled with weapons. RDX is a pre-WWI explosive chemical.

SIMI didn't originate from Pakistan. Links todays are claiming links to Pakistan without presenting the same detailed info as they have on other stuff on SIMI. they're just syaing "There were/are links".

Let me explain by quoting a well written rediff article, but inbetween it also states SIMI is "connected" with the ISI, without giving any details:

What is SIMI?

The Student Islamic Movement of India, or SIMI, is a fundamentalist student organisation that was formed at Aligarh, Uttar Pradesh, in 1977. Mohammad Ahmadullah Siddiqi, now a professor of journalism and public relations at Western Illinois University, Macomb, USA, was its founding president.

SIMI activists say they want to convert India to an Islamic land. SIMI was outlawed in 2001 under the Prevention of Terrorism Act. Thought the Act has been scrapped by the United Progressive Alliance government, the ban on SIMI holds.

Where is Siddiqi now?

In the United States.

In an exclusive interview to rediff.com in 2003, Siddiqi said he founded SIMI in 1977 as part of his mission to educate and enlighten the Muslim community. He is also a founding member and secretary general of the North American Association of Muslim Professionals and Scholars. Siddiqi said SIMI was set up to study Islam like in a study circle and to present Islam through lectures and seminars to students at colleges and schools.

Siddiqi now says he has no links with SIMI because the organisation has been hijacked by radical elements.

Who heads SIMI now?

Safdar Nagori, the secretary general of SIMI, is the present head of the organisation. When SIMI was outlawed under POTA in 2001, the Delhi police arrested Nagori from the SIMI office in the Zakir Nagar area of Delhi. Since then, he has been in jail, charged with sedition and inciting communal trouble in Uttar Pradesh. The police say the outfit is now operating underground.
Why did the government ban SIMI?

SIMI was banned following requests made by the state governments of Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra, who said the organisation had been inciting communal violence in these states.

Was that reason enough for a ban on SIMI under the anti-terrorism law?

No. Police investigations revealed that in 2001, SIMI activists were responsible for the communal riots in Pune and Kanpur and for the bomb blast on the Sabarmati Express on Independence Day. Then, the Maharashtra police arrested nine SIMI members who attempted to bomb the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad offices in Nagpur in May 2001.

In which states of India does SIMI have a presence?

Reportedly, it has strong bases and support in various universities in Uttar Pradesh, Delhi, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Kerala, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and Assam. SIMI is also believed to enjoy local support in cities and towns like Aligarh, Kanpur, Rampur, Moradabad, Saharanpur, Lucknow and Azamgarh in Uttar Pradesh

It is believed that after the Gujarat riots of 2002, SIMI's ranks swelled.

(Till now it's been, communal, communal, communal... The article goes haywire here, just like all reports of links to Pakistan)


Does SIMI have links with terrorist outfits?

The police say SIMI has links with the Jamaat-e-Islam and the Hizbul Mujahideen in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal. They also say SIMI is connected with Pakistan's Inter-State Intelligence.

Reportedly, SIMI activists have had close links with other Pakistan-based terrorist groups such as the Lashkar-e-Tayiba and the Jaish-e-Mohammed.

(That's all the evidence they'd back up such a big claim, now here's the fun part which has received ZERO appreciation from the Indian media).

Who funds the outfit?

It is believed that SIMI secures funds from the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, Riyadh, and gets financial assistance from the Kuwait-based International Islamic Federation of Students Organisations.
What do the members believe in?

SIMI members are reportedly opposed to democracy, secularism and nationalism. They advocate among its followers the need to oppose 'man-made' institutions. SIMI also attempts to mobilise support for and establish Shariat-based Islamic rule through 'Islami Inquilab.' As the organisation does not believe in a nation-State, it does not believe in the Indian Constitution or the secular order.

How many SIMI members are there in India?

The police say SIMI has some 400 ansars (full-time cadres) and 20,000 ordinary members. But after the outfit was outlawed in 2001, most of the active members are in jail. Students up to the age of 30 years are eligible to become members. SIMI cadres consider Osama bin Laden a 'true believer of Islam' and regard him as an 'Islamic hero.'

These ARE Indians. These ARE INDIANS! You can beat the drums try to pin this on Pakistan but Al Qaeda has got you guys too. Face it and fight the real enemy. From all that we know about SIMI, it's run by Indians, its operatives are Indians. Any foreign connection through its funding is from Saudi Arabia. And SIMI holds Osama Bin Laden as its ideal.
 
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Asim Aquil said:
These ARE Indians. These ARE INDIANS! You can beat the drums try to pin this on Pakistan but Al Qaeda has got you guys too. Face it and fight the real enemy. From all that we know about SIMI, it's run by Indians, its operatives are Indians. Any foreign connection through its funding is from Saudi Arabia. And SIMI holds Osama Bin Laden as its ideal.

I don’t know why the reports keep linking these attacks to Pakistan...maybe based of history?? Pakistan may have something to do with; they may not - only time will tell.

Pakistan may not have been involved....but Islam terrorists sure were...

Why is it that wherever there’s a “major” problem in the world, it is somehow related to islam???

Haven't these Jihadis in a way, ruined it for all Muslims (Good or bad) in general?? Their plan was to probably to kill anyone who wasn’t Muslim, but their plan sure backfired!!!

Now, all we see is everyone in the world hating/disliking Islam religion itself. Instead of coming up with excuses as to WHY these extremists do what they do, dont you think there's something that needs to be done to improve these religious fanatics??

Some people are sure quick to judge when there's violence aginst muslim community anywhere in the world, ESP. India (Gujarat), yet when the Mulsims are turning the whole world into a graveyard, all we see is, that these same ppl are defending their muslim brothers/sisters.

I am not an Indian nor am I a Pakistani - consider it a 3rd party perspective.

Thank you
 
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JSK said:
I don’t know why the reports keep linking these attacks to Pakistan...maybe based of history?? Pakistan may have something to do with; they may not - only time will tell.
Definitely. But you do mean Pakistan based group not ISI. Definitely I'm not discounting any such possibility either. But by antagonizing the Pakistanis India's giving us no chance but to take a few swings back.

Culprits won't be caught this way.

Pakistan may not have been involved....but Islam terrorists sure were...

Why is it that wherever there’s a “major” problem in the world, it is somehow related to islam???
In 2002, Islam was involved but it was the victim. Hinduism was the problem.

Islamophobia is the IN thing these days. India's communal problem has a hand (perhaps 10x more) of the Hindu fanatical parties. You can't make this about Islam, this is about India's communal failures.

Haven't these Jihadis in a way, ruined it for all Muslims (Good or bad) in general?? Their plan was to probably to kill anyone who wasn’t Muslim, but their plan sure backfired!!!
I think SIMI just retaliated indiscriminately onto the Indian government for rejecting their July 6 petition. It's too much a coincidence for them to do both.

Now, all we see is everyone in the world hating/disliking Islam religion itself. Instead of coming up with excuses as to WHY these extremists do what they do, dont you think there's something that needs to be done to improve these religious fanatics??
Fanaticism dwells from an ideology. You cannot kill an ideology. You'd have to go the extra mile and change it. By being at war with people and societies who have the ability to change you're preventing just that.

Pakistan is one of the more modern, progressive and (for the lack of a better description) westernized Muslim nation. We're the ones who can make a difference. What has changed from the mid-90s Islamic Pakistan to the Progressive Pakistan of today? Cultural revolution. Free media, free expression of art and freedoms to criticize have increased tremendously and are only improving.

If India goes to war with us, extremist elements amongst us would make it again into a Hindu vs Muslim thing.

Some people are sure quick to judge when there's violence aginst muslim community anywhere in the world, ESP. India (Gujarat), yet when the Mulsims are turning the whole world into a graveyard, all we see is, that these same ppl are defending their muslim brothers/sisters.
Hardly anyone defends. The problem is even when there is condemnation, the Islamophobic society has picked up a new fad. Categorize the condemnation as Taqiyah. Supposedly Taqiyah is some sacred Muslim technique that is made out to be taught to little kids. It's a technique of deception towards the enemy.

I'm sure the term exists in some obscure text of Islam, but its certainly not a mainstream practice. Whenever an Islamophobic comes across a moderate Muslim they have this underlying pinning to their conversation "Who are you really beneath this garb of moderation?".

I am not an Indian nor am I a Pakistani - consider it a 3rd party perspective.

Thank you
You're welcome, anytime.
 
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Neo said:
Are you denying links to local underworld?
No, orchestrating 7 bombs around a city like Mumbai would need a lot of resources, which includes local goondas and dons. But that doesnt mean that they were the real perpetuators. They are just the arrows, the source is somewhere else and they ought to be caught and punished along with these thugs.

Man the entire country of India is filled with weapons. RDX is a pre-WWI explosive chemical.
Seriously, as I said there is something called a motive and pattern for the explosions. ULFA or anyother NE rebels have never targetted any other areas outside NE states. Maoists were never linked to RDX explosions in Mumbai and they never will, coz they dont have the local support in Maharastra or Mumbai.

SIMI didn't originate from Pakistan. Links todays are claiming links to Pakistan without presenting the same detailed info as they have on other stuff on SIMI. they're just syaing "There were/are links".
No one said SIMI originated in Pakistan. We know its a home grown movement, the question is, who/how they got the idea/weapons/support/money for the blast.

Let me explain by quoting a well written rediff article, but inbetween it also states SIMI is "connected" with the ISI, without giving any details:
Read the articles I posted. The link has been amply proved. You know why SIMI was banned in the first place and the reason given for the ban or why the Supreme Court didnt overturn it ?

These ARE Indians. These ARE INDIANS! You can beat the drums try to pin this on Pakistan but Al Qaeda has got you guys too. Face it and fight the real enemy. From all that we know about SIMI, it's run by Indians, its operatives are Indians. Any foreign connection through its funding is from Saudi Arabia. And SIMI holds Osama Bin Laden as its ideal.
Yes, but arms cannot flow from Saudi Arabia. They cannot get it anywhere else inside India, which leaves you as the source.
 
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Asim Aquil said:
Definitely. But you do mean Pakistan based group not ISI. Definitely I'm not discounting any such possibility either. But by antagonizing the Pakistanis India's giving us no chance but to take a few swings back.
And what happened to the request India made for Dawood?

In 2002, Islam was involved but it was the victim. Hinduism was the problem.
Ah, please, dont derail the topic at hand. If the train was not burnt, it would not have happened.

I think SIMI just retaliated indiscriminately onto the Indian government for rejecting their July 6 petition. It's too much a coincidence for them to do both.
Another ridiculous claim, if they want to make the govt to believe in them, why would theu resort to violence?

Pakistan is one of the more modern, progressive and (for the lack of a better description) westernized Muslim nation. We're the ones who can make a difference. What has changed from the mid-90s Islamic Pakistan to the Progressive Pakistan of today? Cultural revolution. Free media, free expression of art and freedoms to criticize have increased tremendously and are only improving.
Off topic. I can counter claim every single words on that para.

If India goes to war with us, extremist elements amongst us would make it again into a Hindu vs Muslim thing.
Its always a hindu muslim thing. Time and again, reports from your sides suggest Pakistanis are better than hindus and all the myopic racial slurs.
 
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Asim Aquil said:
Definitely. But you do mean Pakistan based group not ISI. Definitely I'm not discounting any such possibility either. But by antagonizing the Pakistanis India's giving us no chance but to take a few swings back.

Culprits won't be caught this way.
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Agreed – just as Pakistan is quick to judge, seems as though India is too – I’m sure if this unfortunate incident were to happen in Pakistan, Pakistan would probably point fingers at their “enemy” first

In 2002, Islam was involved but it was the victim. Hinduism was the problem.
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I don’t know the ENTIRE story only bits and pieces based on which, I do not agree with you here – but you’re entitled to you opinion.

Islamophobia is the IN thing these days. India's communal problem has a hand (perhaps 10x more) of the Hindu fanatical parties. You can't make this about Islam, this is about India's communal failures.
But it is about Islam – put aside your religion for a few moments and take a look at what is going on in the world – not just what happened in India, but what’s been happening since 9/11 – hell, wayyyy before 9/11. Of course, it got more attention because “America” was attacked – and of course, that’s a big NO-NO *sarcasm*

I think SIMI just retaliated indiscriminately onto the Indian government for rejecting their July 6 petition. It's too much a coincidence for them to do both.
SIMI’s name is being tossed around just as Pakistan’s. There’s no proof yet – I’m sure most ppl would be happy to pin the blame on this unknown group/organization BUT we don’t know yet. Another report, which I’ll post when I’m done replying points fingers at LeT.


Fanaticism dwells from an ideology. You cannot kill an ideology. You'd have to go the extra mile and change it. By being at war with people and societies who have the ability to change you're preventing just that.
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I couldn’t agree more.

Pakistan is one of the more modern, progressive and (for the lack of a better description) westernized Muslim nation. We're the ones who can make a difference. What has changed from the mid-90s Islamic Pakistan to the Progressive Pakistan of today? Cultural revolution. Free media, free expression of art and freedoms to criticize have increased tremendously and are only improving.
I hope you do realize that when I made my comments about Islam originally, it wasn’t necessarily towards Pakistan and Pakistan only – Pakistan as you say is one of the modern Islamic countries and seem to know better than to cause unnecessary chaos in the world (maybe not in India, but world..lol)

If India goes to war with us, extremist elements amongst us would make it again into a Hindu vs Muslim thing.
It has always been a hindu vs. muslim thing – nothing is ever going to change that!!! Lets just hope for the sake of both countries, that the leaders don’t jump to conclusions and start destroying millions of ppl’s lives and future.
 
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