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India must stand by Dalai Lama

im not worried; i was however pointing out something



Ahmedis -- I view them as Muslims and I'll say it out loud and without fear. As humans, we are not fit to determine who is and who isnt Muslim.

As for Shiias -- well sir, I myself am of Shiia Muslim background. What do you mean by what is our position?

the founder of this country was also a Shiia; Prime Minister is a Shiia.

I dont believe in the whole viewing of things on Sunni-Sufi-Shiia-Wahhaby lens. Muslims are Muslims, it's all that really matters I think.

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oh pipe down you socialist :lol:




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Just because you consider them muslims doesn't change a fact that some muslims are not muslims as per law in your country..so your noble way of thinking doesn't change the discrimination being done in your country..

About Shias..Target killings have stopped..?:what:
 
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We take great pride in our history of sheltering, protecting the oppressed and the weak, no matter the cost. We firmly believe that in the end, truth alone triumphs (the national motto) and we remember how we were oppressed under the foreign rulers who invaded, ruled and exploited our peaceful lands until we were reduced to begging bowls. Athithi Devo Bhava (Guest is god)

When people are occupied. They are not allowed to protest or even shout out loud about there frustration.

Oppressed people aren't allowed to throw stones as a pass time at age of 13.

Oppressed people are not even allowed to have children until there oppressers tell to do so.......

Oppression is in your eyes only 24/7

If this guy is some sort of compassionate god blah blah, why did it he not free all the slaves and abolish serfdom in tibet sooner? - after all he's supposedly had 14 lifetimes to do it :toast_sign:

Could it be that he's just saying all this stuff about freedom and democracy blah blah just to keep his western financers and celebrities and media image on side?? - Seems convenient to me.

Read how tibet was like before the chinese ended the dalai lama's reign.
 
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Sir, I am.

You can clearly see the effects when i behave in a optimistic way. ;)

thank you, come again


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Just because you consider them muslims doesn't change a fact that some muslims are not muslims as per law in your country..so your noble way of thinking doesn't change the discrimination being done in your country..

if the PEOPLE lead, the LEADERS will follow


About Shias..Target killings have stopped..?:what:

not that i am aware of....you were talking about the ''position'' of Shiias as if to imply they are oppressed in Pakistan.

it's only media, and a small tiny fraction of the country that even makes mention of peoples' sect. It never was a big deal in Pakistan until recently, for certain opportunist who want to create divisions in society

(we know who gains from such a phenomenon ;))


im sure the same still goes on in ur own country too; look at the Muslims, and even Christians what happens to them in Orissa. Religious intolerance is still a problem lurking in whole sub-continent i think.
 
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We take great pride in our history of sheltering, protecting the oppressed and the weak, no matter the cost. We firmly believe that in the end, truth alone triumphs (the national motto) and we remember how we were oppressed under the foreign rulers who invaded, ruled and exploited our peaceful lands until we were reduced to begging bowls. Athithi Devo Bhava (Guest is god)

yeah and dont crying like a baby when china start sheltering maoists from india
 
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What a childish thread. And even TTs are falling for it.

@ topic: As if India is not there standing with DL when religious freedom is concerned. As for political issues, I guess India recognizes Tibet as part of China and China recognizes Sikkim as part of India.

So what the point is all about?
 
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how is he viewed in the Chinese street.....

99% people of Chinese street don't view 14th Dalai,and haven't heard of his name,1.3billion Chinese ,the population of Tibetan is only 2.8 million, there are many Lama and Dalai Lama is only one of them,
as a former Indian tribal chief asking for his power which he had 200 years ago from USA gov~~

he is only a small Acne in China's face,only outer can see it with magnifier,but for China :can't see it and may be feel it at one afternoon of one day~~~
 
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India must stand by Dalai Lama

The Pioneer[Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:57]
by Claude Arpi

The Dalai Lama, who turns 75 today, is fond of describing himself as a ‘son of India’. He is proud to keep alive the Nalanda Buddhist tradition. And he happily admits that he is partial to Indian rice and dal. The Dalai Lama has never failed to stand by India, which has sheltered him and his followers, at moments of crisis. Nor has he endorsed China’s line on Arunachal Pradesh

This Tenzin Gyatso, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama of Tibet turns 75 today, July 6. He has spent exactly two-thirds of his present reincarnation in India.

What an incredible destiny for the boy born at Taktser, a small hamlet of Amdo province in north-eastern Tibet. At the age of four, he was recognised as the reincarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama who ruled over the Roof of the World between 1895 and 1933. For the Tibetans, the living incarnation of Avalokiteshvara, the Buddha of Compassion, had again returned.

For the past 50 years, the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize laureate has always shown the greatest consideration for the land which gave him refuge. Recently he explained, “I describe myself as a son of India, because my thoughts come from the Nalanda Buddhist tradition and this body has lived on Indian dal, rice and chapatis during the last 51 years. So, physically also, I am a son of India. Sometimes, it irritates the Chinese officials. What to do?”

It indeed deeply upsets the Chinese when he says, “All our concepts and way of thinking comes from the Nalanda masters. Therefore, we are the chelas and Indians are our gurus. I also often say that we are reliable chelas, because after the 8th century, the Nalanda tradition was established in Tibet. Over thousand years, we have kept intact the Nalanda tradition. It means that we are reliable chelas.”

The Chinese have difficulty in accepting that some wisdom could have come from India, even if it is 1,200 years ago. Several articles in The People’s Daily and other official publications have questioned the Dalai Lama’s claim to be a ‘son of India’. One Chinese commentator wrote, “The Dalai Lama pleases his Indian masters not only by showing his willingness to be a ‘son of India’, but also by effacing the originality of the Tibetan culture. The Dalai Lama uses such words to dwarf the rich Tibetan culture with distinctive local characteristics. He could not be more subservient.”

The Dalai Lama’s ‘Indian connection’ seems to disturb Beijing so much that its arguments sometimes lose their Cartesianism. They can’t understand how someone can at the same time be a ‘son of India’ and the representative of Tibetan culture. “The more absurd thing is that the Dalai Lama often considers himself a ‘son of India’ and India as cultural guru,” wrote a commentator. The Chinese probably believe that only they can be the true spokespersons for Tibetan culture. As the Dalai Lama says, “What to do?”

The Chinese should grant one thing to the Dalai Lama: He never answers to insults by insults (perhaps because he is a true son of India!). Once, he told this writer about a former French President who had not been very nice to him. He said, “It is his problem, not mine. Why should I be upset about it?” He must have reacted likewise to Mr Zhang Qingli, the CCP boss in Tibet who accused him of being “a wolf in monk’s robes, a monster with a human face but the heart of a beast.”

I have a strong feeling that through these attacks on the Dalai Lama, it is India which is being targeted. Beijing has some difficulty in digesting the fact the Dalai Lama not only represents the deepest values of Indian culture, but has also always sided with India in times of difficulty.

The conclusion of the earlier-quoted Chinese article betrays the motivations of the Middle Kingdom’s officials: “Furthermore, will a guy who betrayed southern Tibet to India really care about the well-being of the Tibetan people?” They refer to the Dalai Lama’s support for the Indian stand in the border row with Beijing and his acceptance of the Indian position on the McMahon Line and Arunachal Pradesh (which the Chinese call ‘southern Tibet’).

Strangely, the Party bosses seem nervous. They can only repeat that they will never let their grip loosen on the Land of Snows. Last week, Mr Hao Peng, the Deputy Communist Party Secretary of the Tibetan Autonomous Region, targeted the “anti-Chinese” forces led by the Dalai Lama “and his clique” as the main threat to peace and stability in the region.

Just before the Olympic Games, Tibet party chief Zhang Qingli had been more explicit: “Tibet’s sky will never change and the red flag with five stars will forever flutter high above it… I will certainly be able to totally smash the splittist schemes of the Dalai clique.”

Mr Hao told visiting journalists: “We have the ability and confidence to maintain stability in Tibet forever, and we will ultimately achieve long-term order and stability.” However, he had to admit, “What you see in the streets, including the police and other legal forces, are necessary measures to maintain stability.”

Asked about his position on the unsuccessful talks between Dharamsala and Beijing, Mr Hao said: “The core of this policy is for the Dalai Lama to abandon Tibet’s independence, stop separatist activities, and acknowledge that Tibet is an inalienable part of China. If he does this then the door to talks is always open.”

But the Dalai Lama has long ago renounced Tibetan independence. In his address to the European Parliament in Strasbourg in 1988, he explained that genuine autonomy for Tibet would be acceptable to him. From that day, he has dropped his claim to ‘Free Tibet’, just pleading for a solution within the Chinese constitutional provisions.

No doubt Beijing is today in a position of force: The leadership believes that time is on its side; it bets on the fact that the Dalai Lama is not here forever (though he is presently in perfect health). In Delhi, one often hears comments that India should drop the ‘Dalai Lama card’; that this gesture from India would greatly help in improving India’s relations with China. Nothing is further from the truth, morally and politically.

Morally, India and Tibet are linked by the fact that Tibetan Buddhism has, as mentioned by the Dalai Lama, its origin in the great viharas of north India and the teachings of Gautam Buddha. Politically, were India to drop the ‘Tibet card’, its stand on the border issue would be tremendously weakened. If China manages to bend the only other aspirant superpower in Asia, it would have a free hand to dictate more terms to India.

Some 25 years ago in a letter to the Government of India, the Dalai Lama gave two reasons why the Chinese Communist regime is so keen to destroy all trace of Buddhism in Tibet: “As the source of the Buddha dharma the Tibetan people have a very strong sense of affinity with India. The Chinese claim that the Buddhism which flourished in Tibet is a branch of Chinese Buddhism is ridiculous. Second, like in Poland, religion has become synonymous with nationalism.”

The Tibetan leader continued, “If the Chinese pursue their true intentions effectively India may one day have across its Himalayan border a Tibetan population owing full allegiance to the Chinese. This will have serious consequences for India.”

India has always believed in justice, peace and non-violence. Ultimately, to support the Dalai Lama in getting genuine autonomy would be good not only for India and Tibet, but also for China which needs deeper values for its society. Thirty years after Deng Xiaoping stated that “getting rich is glorious”, economic differences have never been so huge between the rich and the poor in the Middle Kingdom and the tension never so high between the different ‘minorities’.

The Dalai Lama is perhaps the only person who could help the Chinese leadership to fulfil its dream to build a harmonious society. As for India, the Tibetan leader has blessed the nation by his presence for more than 50 years. India should support his just cause.

India must stand by Dalai Lama - www.phayul.com

I recommend China to standby Khalistan Independence Movement.
I recommend China to standby Kashmir's cry for freedom.
I recommend China to standby Northeast India's (Burmese land) struggle for freedom.
I recommend China to standby Sri Lanka's struggle to root out Indians who are trying to split Sri Lanka into two countries.
 
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I recommend China to standby Khalistan Independence Movement.
I recommend China to standby Kashmir's cry for freedom.
I recommend China to standby Northeast India's (Burmese land) struggle for freedom.
I recommend China to standby Sri Lanka's struggle to root out Indians who are trying to split Sri Lanka into two countries.

Ok they accept your recommendations :rofl::rofl:
 
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