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China has reinforced its position in Daulat Bag Oldi sector, 19km deep inside Indian territory, where they are getting regular supplies through trucks.

Chinese troops adopt aggressive posturing
NEW DELHI: A group of Chinese troops pitching tents in Depsang Bulge in eastern Ladakh since April 15 has thrown the Indian government into a mass of confusion. As Chinese troops grow roots in an area 19km inside what India considers its own territory and which holds immense strategic importance for the country, crossed wires, leaks and a blame game has taken over New Delhi.

The civilian leadership, comprising both the MEA and the PMO, had initially discounted reports of the incursion. MEA spokesperson, Syed Akbaruddin, has made perhaps the only strongly-worded statement on the issue so far, when he said the Chinese should revert to "status-quo ante". From the beginning it was clear this was no ordinary incursion, or aggressive patrolling that Indians and Chinese regularly engage in these days. There was solid reasoning behind the MEA's decision to raise the decibel level on this issue.

However, this was swiftly overtaken by other voices — foreign minister Salman Khurshid dismissed the incident, variously calling it "localized" and even described it as "acne". At the higher levels in the foreign policy establishment, the more important issue seemed to be preserving the bilateral ties with China. The dominant narrative was not that India would do everything to get the Chinese off Indian soil, but that this event would not be allowed to ruin ties with Beijing.

All voices arguing for a more robust response were successfully hushed. At every stage, it was more important that the new Chinese premier Li Keqiang's visit, beginning May 20, be insulated from this. When the media noise became too loud, the government "inspired" certain strategic experts to write dismissive articles on the incident, saying it happens "all the time". Even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was advised to say the incident was "localized".

It was becoming clear that the incident was more serious than ever before and was a bigger geo-strategic threat to India. If Li's visit was important to the Chinese they would not have done the incursion barely a month before the visit. The Chinese were clearly testing the Indian preparedness, and it was the most serious incident since Sumdorong Chu in Arunachal Pradesh 1987. India could not possibly let the Chinese stay.

The uniformed brass was busy making own assessments. Beyond dispatching a team of Ladakh Scouts to the area, the armed forces did not take the steps they should have to evict the Chinese. In Delhi, the game in the defence corridors became two-fold — the Army was waiting for directions from the civilian leadership to take any action. Among the civilian leadership, the assessment was the Army was totally incapable of taking on the Chinese juggernaut. Any military action on the Indian part would result in escalation and it could be another 1962 again. That froze all action, while it drove the Indian bureaucrats in Delhi and Beijing to burn the phone lines with the Chinese.

Besides, the paramilitary forces, the intelligence establishment, all started leaking to the media like crazy. Everybody had a partial story to tell, but everybody told it anyway, because that was the only way they were getting any traction. Thus the media knew the outcome — or lack thereof — of flag meetings before the government had a chance to vet it. Inevitably, the media became the villain of the piece. From the district commissioner's office in Leh to bureaucrats and officers in New Delhi, a gag order has been issued.

First, India was caught off-guard. Second, India's intelligence assessment of the incident and its implications has been inadequate at best. Third, while trying to play the good boys with Beijing initially by not taking any action, now New Delhi will be seen to be taking action under public pressure, not because the government has deemed the incident to have crossed a threshold.

An April 2005 Protocol on CBMs between India and China lays out in detail the steps to be taken by troops if they encounter a "face-off" situation. The protocol has been followed in large measure. But this time it wasn't. China had violated the 2005 pact, but if one believes the highest levels of the government, this is just another incident.



India misreads Chinese incursion, ties itself in knots - The Times of India





Today the US Congressional panel on religious freedom continued to push for a ban on Modi. Sonia madam is clearly pushing for this so she can retain power. How does a panel find Modi guilty when the SC does not? How does a panel over in the US find him guilty when the SC has all the evidence? Wake up ppl! Modi is the biggest threat to the world, coz he is the only one capable of transforming Indian into a world class power.
 
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Today the US Congressional panel on religious freedom continued to push for a ban on Modi. Sonia madam is clearly pushing for this so she can retain power. How does a panel find Modi guilty when the SC does not? How does a panel over in the US find him guilty when the SC has all the evidence? Wake up ppl! Modi is the biggest threat to the world, coz he is the only one capable of transforming Indian into a world class power.
 
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All voices arguing for a more robust response were successfully hushed. At every stage, it was more important that the new Chinese premier Li Keqiang's visit, beginning May 20, be insulated from this. When the media noise became too loud, the government "inspired" certain strategic experts to write dismissive articles on the incident, saying it happens "all the time". Even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was advised to say the incident was "localized".





Besides, the paramilitary forces, the intelligence establishment, all started leaking to the media like crazy. Everybody had a partial story to tell, but everybody told it anyway, because that was the only way they were getting any traction. Thus the media knew the outcome — or lack thereof — of flag meetings before the government had a chance to vet it. Inevitably, the media became the villain of the piece. From the district commissioner's office in Leh to bureaucrats and officers in New Delhi, a gag order has been issued.

First, India was caught off-guard. Second, India's intelligence assessment of the incident and its implications has been inadequate at best. Third, while trying to play the good boys with Beijing initially by not taking any action, now New Delhi will be seen to be taking action under public pressure, not because the government has deemed the incident to have crossed a threshold.



India misreads Chinese incursion, ties itself in knots - The Times of India





Today the US Congressional panel on religious freedom continued to push for a ban on Modi. Sonia madam is clearly pushing for this so she can retain power. How does a panel find Modi guilty when the SC does not? How does a panel over in the US find him guilty when the SC has all the evidence? Wake up ppl! Modi is the biggest threat to the world, coz he is the only one capable of transforming Indian into a world class power.

hmmmm three points

1. India govt mobilize Paid writers to blow or tone down any incident

2. Indian paramilitary/intel establishment deliberatly leaked the info

3. your personal claim that US lobby/panel is driven by Sonia against Modi

Today the US Congressional panel on religious freedom continued to push for a ban on Modi. Sonia madam is clearly pushing for this so she can retain power. How does a panel find Modi guilty when the SC does not? How does a panel over in the US find him guilty when the SC has all the evidence? Wake up ppl! Modi is the biggest threat to the world, coz he is the only one capable of transforming Indian into a world class power.

Oh so US is blocking Indian way of transformation into World Class Power. How? by blocking Modi.
 
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Democracy at work, no need to panic and India will come out strong.

Every one has his views on this situation truth may be different.
 
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it is localized, this area is no where near the heart land of Indian or it's financial hubs.
 
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Visiting Chinese leader better bring something good to the table or this misadventure on behalf of PLA is going to reflect on indian policy and relations with Japan and USA. And that might not be in Chinese interests.

I doubt that, looking at this forum and the actions of your leaders, you don't want to be the junior partner in anything.

Guess who's going to be the junior partner with US or Japan.
 
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I doubt that, looking at this forum and the actions of your leaders, you don't want to be the junior partner in anything.

Guess who's going to be the junior partner with US or Japan.

No need to guess who's gona be junior partner. India is never tied to any particular group. But current Chinese actions are pushing India in that direction.
 
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Visiting Chinese leader better bring something good to the table or this misadventure on behalf of PLA is going to reflect on indian policy and relations with Japan and USA. And that might not be in Chinese interests.


There is no way that there will be a Chinese visit to India with this matter still unresolved. I don't believe such a visit would be tolerated and certainly don't think the foreign office will want to take such risks.
 
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I doubt that, looking at this forum and the actions of your leaders, you don't want to be the junior partner in anything.

Guess who's going to be the junior partner with US or Japan.

We do not want to be a junior partner with USA or Japan either, we will be strong if we continue our growth story which is enough to secure our interests.
 
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There is no way that there will be a Chinese visit to India with this matter still unresolved. I don't believe such a visit would be tolerated and certainly don't think the foreign office will want to take such risks.

The visit is sure unless it is caceled by Chinese side.
Diplomacy don't work like that. During the visit India will put all issues infront of him. All will depend on him. If he play along PLA tune India will play its part and will respond to Japeanes offer made few months ago.
It's upto Chinese leadership if they want its two neighbours to bond in defence relations when it has disputes with both of them
 
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The visit is sure unless it is caceled by Chinese side.
Diplomacy don't work like that. During the visit India will put all issues infront of him. All will depend on him. If he play along PLA tune India will play its part and will respond to Japeanes offer made few months ago.
It's upto Chinese leadership if they want its two neighbours to bond in defence relations when it has disputes with both of them


Thanks for the lesson on diplomacy but I think one can be reasonably sure that there will be massive protests against the visit & will certainly be boycotted by the opposition parties. The Chinese won't take very kindly to effigies being burn or being ignored by a section of the polity in India. If you think that the UPA will go ahead still, I would be very surprised.
 
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Thanks for the lesson on diplomacy but I think one can be reasonably sure that there will be massive protests against the visit & will certainly be boycotted by the opposition parties. The Chinese won't take very kindly to effigies being burn or being ignored by a section of the polity in India. If you think that the UPA will go ahead still, I would be very surprised.

No Diplomacy lesson was intended but I do have a little experience with that.

Did you miss out the massive protest during Putin's visit ??? The nuclear activists were doing that before he came and during he was here.

Opposition parties generally don't have a say in such things. Visiting leader meet them if they want. It's not compulsory.

State level visits are followed by a decorum. And please be ready to be surprised.
I will surely be surprised if India call off this visit. Which in my experience in highly unlikely
 
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