India likely to order 106 more Pilatus aircraft to train pilots

[Asian.Century]

I can understand your frustration that your country is not looking forward to future but only believes in Borrowing or buying second hand products. Lol.. India on the other hand is looking forward to cater next Gen Technologies indigenously.

All India needs to do is create a market for its Products.. Lol and let me tell you, there is nothing called PAKISTANI PROJECTS..

India with its 1000 times better industrial base by itself is struggling to cater 100% of its needs domestically. Pakistan with an Industry which cannot even produce a decent cycle dynamo and an Economy which cannot even possibly allow the country to dream big has nothing but EGOS and nothing else.

Stop fooling with urself, India, as the whole world accepts it is a failed nation in military and defence production, what are your exports? who buys it from India? India can only do ToT, and beg other foreign nations to build parts and military products in India and later tag with 'Indigenous' & 'Make in India' tags, stop lying and pretending that. Ppl laugh at Indians when they label Indian made products while 99% is all western or Russian donated technology and research.

India does not have an industrial or manufacturing base, it is a call centre, hello-telephone clerks, IT software services and back office HR-Law works provider, this is what the Westerners and Americans have forced you into ur successful economy. This is the reality of Western made India.


What is India's next generation technologies when 2nd and 3rd generation of 'Make in India' products have failed? lol

 

[anant_s]

Does this mean more time on the BTA or increased intake of pilots?

i think both (theoretically speaking i.e).
The newer planes would definitely have more availability and that would translate to either increasing per unit flying time every rookie or increasing the number of trainees in the same time-frame. Although i'm not sure if IAF requires or wants more than 55 hours of basic training as told in report.
But either way, new recruit cadets are most vulnerable to making mistakes while learning to fly and in this context getting one of the best Basic trainers in the world for our pilots is a very positive move and certainly better than waiting for HAL to come up with its own product, which is still quite delayed.

 

[anant_s]

What happened to Make in India program ?

Even after big order why not making it within India?

I think government is pushing for some of the planes from this order to be made in India. Also Pilatus does have plans to set up a manufacturing facility in India. Here is an 2013 news article.

Pilatus plans airframe making unit in India

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  THE HINDU Union Minister of State for Defence Jitendra Singh poses with the wives of Indian Air Force pilots in front of the Pilatus PC-7 Swiss-made aircraft, which was inducted into the IAF's training squad at the Air Force Academy, Dundigal on Friday. -Photo: Nagara Gopal
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  Minister of State for Defence Jitendra Singh prepares for a sortie in the Pilatus PC-7 MK II trainer aircraft during its induction into the Indian Air Force at Dundigal Air Force Station in Hyderabad on Friday. -Photo: PTI

India is a large market and we’re looking to expand our operations here in aircraft production, said Jim Roche, deputy CEO of Pilatus Aircraft Ltd
Switzerland’s Pilatus Aircraft Limited plans to set up an airframe manufacturing facility in India for its PC-12 nine-seater passenger and cargo plane, the company’s vice-president and deputy CEO Jim Roche said here on Friday. Talking to reporters on the sidelines of the induction ceremony of Pilatus PC-7 Mk-II into the Indian Air Force (IAF) here, Mr. Roche said the proposed facility would form a major portion of the collaboration with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) under the offset provision of the Rs.3,500 crore-contract for supplying 75 PC-7MK-II aircraft.

Only the third such facility

The Indian unit for PC-12 would be the third supporting facility of the company, the other two being in Poland and Portugal, Mr. Roche said.

He said the PC-12 was ideally suited for India, with utility for companies, NGOs, as an air-ambulance and also for evacuation and disaster relief. Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal N.A.K. Browne told reporters that the PC-7 had good safety features and was a modern aircraft.

MMRCA deal by Oct-Nov, says Browne

On a question on new acquisitions, he said that commercial negotiations with EADS were expected to be finalised by the year-end for acquiring flight-refuelling aircraft A-330 MRTT for the IAF.

Negotiations were also expected to be complete on the C-130J Super Hercules transport aircraft with Lockheed Martin and the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) by October-November. Another important event for IAF would be the arrival of the first of the 10 C-17 heavy-lift strategic aircraft in June this year.

He said the government had sanctioned 20 Hawk aircraft and the IAF’s aerobatic team Suryakiran would be revived after the acquisition of the aircraft.

Minister of State for Defence Jitendra Singh said the proposed Defence Procurement Policy-2013 would be a historic step for Indian industry in creating an environment for enhanced defence production.

Pilatus plans airframe making unit in India - The Hindu

 

[Abingdonboy]

The Sitara needs to really complete its FoC and the promised 85 planes should come into production to replace the Kirans asap.

No need for the Sitara at all not now the IAF has the PC-7 and Hawk AJT. The Sitara can take as long as it likes and it won't effect the IAF one bit. Hopefully the Sitara is used more as a Tech Demonstrator or marketed to friendly nations- there's no longer a need for it in the Indian services.

What happened to Make in India program ?
Even after big order why not making it within India?

Read the article bro! In the first paragraph it makes it clear most of these PC-7s will be made in India.

 

[gslv mk3]

Stop fooling with urself, India, as the whole world accepts it is a failed nation in military and defence production, what are your exports? who buys it from India? India can only do ToT, and beg other foreign nations to build parts and military products in India and later tag with 'Indigenous' & 'Make in India' tags, stop lying and pretending that. Ppl laugh at Indians when they label Indian made products while 99% is all western or Russian donated technology and research.

Stupidity at its best-We have enough technology to develop our own defence products.

India does not have an industrial or manufacturing base

Look who is talking.

 

[cranwerkhan]

Your AF has an over all record of 9 F-16 crashes including one "alleged" fratricide in the the last 30 years where as the IAF has a record of 10 Mirage-2000 crashes on the same period.So when it comes to using western Fighter aircraft both the air forces have got pretty much the same record(both these aircraft have been operational since early 80s).The crash rate of the IAF id high because they are operating Soviet built aircraft which are well past their service age and still our pilots are pushing them to their limits by flying more than 250 hours in a Mig-21.So crashes happen now and then.But we also have to acknowledge the fact that the an average IAF pilot clocks way more flying hours than his PAF counterpart.The overall crash rate of the IAF per 100,000 flights is around 4-6 that too after operating nearly 400 obsolete aircraft which is quite similar to any other leading air forces.So the myth that a PAF pilot is superior to his IAF counterpart in terms of training is simply a myth and nothing else.Simply put the IAF has got much larger budget than the PAF and larger budget obviously means better training.

Remember a guy M M Alam if not go google it ..

 

[Mike_Brando]

Remember a guy M M Alam if not go google it ..

Yeah we do remember that guy,isn't his own wingman expressed doubts on his claim and even went ahead calling him a liar

 

[Asian.Century]

Remember a guy M M Alam if not go google it ..

M M Alam a great Pakistani pilot, who died in Karachi, shot down 5 Hindu jets in less than a minute, a TRUE WORLD RECORD.

Indians will soon claim in prehistoric Hindutva books in sanskrit, that the Nuclear weapons and Stealth Airplanes they developed shot 6 aircraft in 10 seconds..

 

[Spy Master]

@gslv mk3 man is this also made in India? looks like its swiss...

 

[gslv mk3]

@gslv mk3 man is this also made in India? looks like its swiss...

see post #1

 

[Derolo]

Parade is very important basic of any armed forces. The pic is surely a rare exception.

Additionally its time to scrap IJT Sitara failure as its 20 years from induction. Re-designing going on. Look for an alternative from abroad.

 

[Derolo]

LoL and your insecurity comes out wide open, Where are we talking about PAF here. And certainly PAF doesnot have enough crashes even though it flies 60+ years old Mirages or F7s around western border commitments 24/7.

Can u imagine only one PAF F-16 crash in almost 30 years. The only last F-16 lost by the PAF was back in 1994, in the vicinity of Sargodha.

PAF have excellent flight safety record for the F-16 aircraft and has been rewarded by Lockheed Martin for this.

Lockheed Martin rewarded you for shooting down your own F-16? Do tell me more about that

You can't compare Made in USA fighters to Assembled in India fighters.

Regarding western aircraft our rates are similar. (F-16 pak and Mirage 2000 Ind)

 

[Derolo]

M M Alam a great Pakistani pilot, who died in Karachi, shot down 5 Hindu jets in less than a minute, a TRUE WORLD RECORD.

Indians will soon claim in prehistoric Hindutva books in sanskrit, that the Nuclear weapons and Stealth Airplanes they developed shot 6 aircraft in 10 seconds..

Shooting down CAS fighters in an Air Superiority fighter is not some divine act of god.

If MM Alam had shot down 5 Gnats in one mission it would have been an eye opener. But shooting down 5 unguarded bombers (Hunter in CAS config) could have been done by anyone.

 

[gslv mk3]

Indians will soon claim in prehistoric Hindutva books in sanskrit, that the Nuclear weapons and Stealth Airplanes they developed shot 6 aircraft in 10 seconds..

Back up your ridiculous post #16 or get lost.

 

[cranwerkhan]

Yeah we do remember that guy,isn't his own wingman expressed doubts on his claim and even went ahead calling him a liar

hahaha ignorant indian never learn lesson ... ok for you there is one more guy 6-pass charlie go google it