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India Jaguar fighters face upgrade challenges


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NEW DELHI ― The Indian Air Force’s British-made Jaguar aircraft completed its maiden flight last week after integrating an advanced active electronically scanned array radar, but service officials say the Jaguar upgrade program is moving slowly and that there’s uncertainty regarding the mounting of proposed new engines.

The upgrade program of the Jaguar fighter, undertaken by India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, includes mounting new engines from Honeywell of the U.S., but an executive with HAL said it’s ”still awaiting the go-ahead from the Indian Air Force for the new engines.”

Not only is the upgrade program slow, but the autopilots on the Jaguar aircraft are malfunctioning,” the IAF official said.

Furthermore, only 18 autopilot systems out of a required 108 could be integrated on Jaguar aircraft, according to a second Air Force official. India contracted the purchase of 35 autopilots from Thales of France on the Jaguar, which were received between December 2006 and January 2008.

Due to contractual restrictions, HAL could integrate only 18 out of the 35 autopilots up until March 2017.

And the autopilots installed on the aircraft are functioning at a suboptimal level because a vital component ― the Auto Pilot Electronic Unit, which maintains the flight path of the aircraft ― required repairs by Thales, which are expected to be completed in 7 to 26 months.

The HAL executive placed blame: ”Upgrade of autopilot has been slow because of delays in supplies by French defense companies.”

The Jaguar with the new AESA radar made its maiden flight Aug. 10, but the Air Force will carry out six more tests before induction.

The AESA radar were bought from Elta of Israel as part of the Jaguar upgrade program.
The new-generation radar will help in the simultaneous detection of multiple targets and also in the release of missiles to counter threats.

The current AESA radars are designed for easy retrofit in field conditions with minimum disturbance to the aircraft, the HAL executive noted.

Currently, the Indian Air Force is the only air force using the Jaguar, and HAL is therefore the only original equipment manufacturer able to maintain and upgrade the aircraft.

The ongoing program will involve 59 Jaguars that have a DARIN I radar and upgrade them to the DARIN III standard, which will include the fitting of the AESA radar.

The program also includes several missile-carrying capabilities as well as avionics upgrades that are expected to extend the aircraft’s life to 2050. (The initial phase out of the aircraft will begin in 2035, and it will be fully phased out by 2050.)

The upgrade is expected to include replacing the Rolls-Royce ADOUR 811 engine with new F125N engines from Honeywell, noted the first Air Force official.

Honeywell emerged as the sole vendor in response to a 2008 tender because Rolls-Royce of the U.K. withdrew from the competition. However, the clearance to buy 280 new Honeywell engines worth $2 billion has hit a roadblock in India’s Ministry of Defence because of the single-vendor situation, which the MoD tends to discourage, save exceptional circumstances.
 
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By the time the upgrade program is finished, it will be time to phase out the planes. Zero gain at all by IAF except costly museum planes :rofl: without spare parts

I wonder why if the TEJAS is such a competent plane, why are Indians ordering all sort of foreign made all over the world :D
 
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I wonder why if the TEJAS is such a competent plane, why are Indians ordering all sort of foreign made all over the world :D

India is an insecure bunch. Their military spending is haywire, even if we exclude the pointless upgrade of sepecat jaguars.

I remember indian air force even broached the idea of buying used aircraft from foreign militaries a few mths back. :rofl:

I also note that tejas inside is all foreign avionics(if tejas crashes and gets grounded, it will take 10 years to find out why) and tejas is perhaps the only aircraft made in asia that has no foreign buyers because other countries know it is trash

Even JF-17 and FA-50 managed to have foreign military sales...

Even their super sukhoi project is not confirmed.

The airforce only managed to get 6 Apaches out of 22 purchased because of indian political red tape and bickering between military and government.

The most important aircraft they need is rafale but the order is only 36 planes.

The final nail on the coffin...the HAL AMCA is overpriced and need 3 billion USD upfront...and already 300+ million USD paid.

Indian defence is an oxymoron...if Singapore is next to india, north east india will be ours in 6 days.
 
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India is an insecure bunch. Their military spending is haywire, even if we exclude the pointless upgrade of sepecat jaguars.

I remember indian air force even broached the idea of buying used aircraft from foreign militaries a few mths back. :rofl:

I also note that tejas inside is all foreign avionics(if tejas crashes and gets grounded, it will take 10 years to find out why) and tejas is perhaps the only aircraft made in asia that has no foreign buyers because other countries know it is trash

Even JF-17 and FA-50 managed to have foreign military sales...

Even their super sukhoi project is not confirmed.

The airforce only managed to get 6 Apaches out of 22 purchased because of indian political red tape and bickering between military and government.

The most important aircraft they need is rafale but the order is only 36 planes.

The final nail on the coffin...the HAL AMCA is overpriced and need 3 billion USD upfront...and already 300+ million USD paid.

Indian defence is an oxymoron...if Singapore is next to india, north east india will be ours in 6 days.

Indians are rich.

They are getting stuff from all over the world.

The chinese must be real envy of them :D
 
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Indians are rich.

They are getting stuff from all over the world.

The chinese must be real envy of them :D

Chinese get their stuff by buying military information over.

India get their stuff via expensive Transfer of technology and self building but quality lower
 
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Jaguars are ideal to flatten Pakistani armored formations. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
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it is oldd to update them, i mean its time to retire them not spend 2 billion dollars of worth of engines alone
under ideal conditions the upgrade would take another 5 years, likley another 10 years by the time air frame would need structural upgrades too

i dont see a reason to spend another 4 billion dollars on avionics, AESA and engines, each of one is important as the whole program is going to fail without engine upgrade

i would rather spend that oney to induct LCA and some Su 30 MKI, divide the role of strike among su 30, or get few squardon of rafale
 
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it is oldd to update them, i mean its time to retire them not spend 2 billion dollars of worth of engines alone
under ideal conditions the upgrade would take another 5 years, likley another 10 years by the time air frame would need structural upgrades too

i dont see a reason to spend another 4 billion dollars on avionics, AESA and engines, each of one is important as the whole program is going to fail without engine upgrade

i would rather spend that oney to induct LCA and some Su 30 MKI, divide the role of strike among su 30, or get few squardon of rafale

I would not disagree for the cost to induct more flankers or rafales
 
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I would not disagree for the cost to induct more flankers or rafales

Jaguar airframe will reach its limit rather than upgrading these planes the money could've been used to buy more su-30mki or invest it on the super sukhoi program..
 
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it is oldd to update them, i mean its time to retire them not spend 2 billion dollars of worth of engines alone
under ideal conditions the upgrade would take another 5 years, likley another 10 years by the time air frame would need structural upgrades too

i dont see a reason to spend another 4 billion dollars on avionics, AESA and engines, each of one is important as the whole program is going to fail without engine upgrade

i would rather spend that oney to induct LCA and some Su 30 MKI, divide the role of strike among su 30, or get few squardon of rafale
Please read up on the upgrade!!!... The engines , both rolls royce and honeywell engines have a drop fit design with minimum or no structural changes !!! thus quick turn around (there is a nice videos on this on youtube)

Darin 3 upgrade is add-on to already inducted Darin 2 upgrade. So to upgrade is in existing frames and short time.

The Su30 is a Primary a Air dominance fighter and the LCA is primary a Point defence! All have there role including the Jags
 
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