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[adrenalin]

1. Same what a common indian gets when they celebrate breaking of pakistan, or any loss by pakistan.. even pakistan loss cricket match in semi-finals..

2. full control on the waters of kashmir, and of course kashmir itself..

3. As most of the indians think that ISI is main hand behind everything, so after pakistan gone, no isi will mess their country..

4. Indian will become un-challenge regional power

5. To show smaller states (which are working for independence within india), that this happens when you leave india

need more?



Isn't common indian think same for pakistan as of today?

Q. Isn't common indian think same for pakistan as of today?
A. No, we do not. So, wake up.

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

my dear brother it means i am blaming on india ok
if me and my army friend's are wrong then you know better about the statement of USA army man he sad afghstan is becoming the garisson of indian army he is not my friend and not the friend of my army friend's
sir can you tell me why india have number's of consulate near the pakistan boder these number's are maybe world recored in any country
can you tell me why india stop the share of pakistan water
can you tell me why india stop any product trade without any reson from pakistan
and can you tell me in past numbers of time israel use indian land to try to destory the pakistan nuke program
and about USA I WANT to tell you about the game of them you know about the pleastin and israel conflict they help and aid palestaines but they veto all the resolation aganist the israel actully they always play double game

 

[faisal4pro]

In other words taliban who on the name of Islam is attacking pakistan is non-islamic but the taliban who on the name of islam is fighting against these four evil states is good one...even though there methods are same(suicide bombings...innocent killings etc)...You really mean that??? I hope not but then i know there are many people who just post out of shear hatred and hypocracy...

Anyways please don't bother to reply if your answer to the questions is yes...i wanted to avoid posting against you but could not help due to pathetic level of hypocracy in your post...

nah.. dont take my words wrong!

i said People wo want islam in pakistan are not doing sucide bombings at all and are not fighting with these four!

tell me who is fighting with these four?

ones who are maintained by outside to demolish pakistan are bad ones! i hate those talibans!

 

[abbasniazi]

OK..Let me help you here..he is indian/US agent...now would you mind sharing or let me say enlighten us what your army friends tell you about TTP leaders being killed once PAK army is close to them...

Its the basic principle of agencies to nuteralize the asset before it is takenover by your enemy, so what the starter of the thread meant to say is why USA doesn't strike their assets when PA is not close to their arrest, and they are struck whenever it seems evident that they might be caught and therefore could speak out the truth behind the insurgency support.

Is it like these so called india/us agents are so much anti pakistan that they are willing to die by drones(martyrs in our eyes because they are willing to die to avoid leakage of great plan) and still take help from we evils.... doesn't this sound stupid to you???

They are working for their own interest and believe in CHANKIA's philosophy of "ENEMY OF YOUR ENEMY IS YOUR FRIEND", and they are assured by their masters that they would not be attacked, however, when PA comes close to their arrest, the adversaries of pakistan, in the greater interest of saving their ugly faces sacrifice their assets and bringout another from among the bunch of those fools.

My friend please just don't make opinion on something without challenging it..May i ask why US is giving aid to pakistan if she wants to destroy pakistan??? Isn't it that the idea of aid is to make pakistan stronger and free of radicals like TTP???Have you missed Hillary clinton very strongly criticizing Pakistan when TTP captured Banur??? why..isnt it was a dream come true because US wants TTP to denuclarize pakistan???

Its an old rule brother, do i need to remind you? well, to remind you its called "STICK AND CARROT RULE" and yes these official statements are made for the coverups, besides this USA assets are primarily in waziristan area not in bunir and it was a good opportunity for putting pressure on Pakistan and to bring it down to its knees.

Answer above questions and tell me why you still think US is not anti-TTP

If you can reach the desired conclusion than help me understand How can india help TTP if US is against it...Isnt that means challenging US interests?? Do you think RAW is that smart and India that naive that we will take US for a ride at a time when they are doing our job(cleaning the islamic militants from Afghanistan and pressuring Pak to clean it up in Pakistan)??

I am fine if you blindly want to believe your army friends but do me a favor if you fail to answer my questions please do ask these to your friends in army and share their thoughts on this forum

Regards
Rajwinder Singh

tell me what the hell are indians doing in the so called mission offices on the pakistani border? tell me why the USA didn't attack bait-ullah mehsood 3 times when PA accurately pin pointed his location and told USA about his presence and asked them to attack but they didn't, do u know USA showed anger when they mistakingly killed bait ullah mehsood because this time PA told them it was a high value AL-QAIDA target and not bait ullah mehsood.

do u know this bait ullah mehsood spent 4 years in guantanamobay prison and was converted by USA as a double agent and then sent to waziristan where he formed TTP.

i think u didn't know all these facts brother, otherwise u shouldn't have advocated USA in this context.

 

[Srinivas]

First of all why do pakistanis think US and UK as their enemies?
Pakistan has better diplomatic relations with UK. If really US(super power) and its allies think pakistan as an enemy, then they won't do covert operations.

 

[deckingraj]

my dear brother it means i am blaming on india ok
if me and my army friend's are wrong then you know better about the statement of USA army man he sad afghstan is becoming the garisson of indian army he is not my friend and not the friend of my army friend's
sir can you tell me why india have number's of consulate near the pakistan boder these number's are maybe world recored in any country
can you tell me why india stop the share of pakistan water
can you tell me why india stop any product trade without any reson from pakistan
and can you tell me in past numbers of time israel use indian land to try to destory the pakistan nuke program
and about USA I WANT to tell you about the game of them you know about the pleastin and israel conflict they help and aid palestaines but they veto all the resolation aganist the israel actully they always play double game

Buddy this below post doesnot imply you are talking about india..It implies you are talking about NATO...

actully they dont want to arrest thes leaders by pak army because the knew that if pak army do this our plan's are leak

Anyways seems like you have ignored all my direct questions on the issue you raised and have asked questions from water to palestine.. I am in no mood to discuss all this here which a) is off topic b) has been discussed in lenghts on this forum alone... So feel free to have your opinion..However if you feel like discussing the current one.. then you are more than welcome...

For example please see the reply of H2O3C4Nitrogen,abbasniazi to my post...they are sticking to the topic and challenged my logic...Now let me reply to them and feel free to chip in

 

[faisal4pro]

First of all why do pakistanis think US and UK as their enemies?
Pakistan has better diplomatic relations with UK. If really US(super power) and its allies think pakistan as an enemy, then they won't do covert operations.

UK a better diplomatic friend? hahaha

UK has a ban on Visas to Pakistanis dude! do u think this is better?

 

[arya]

indian's dont to be inocent
answer me
why india stop water of pakistan share ?
why india stop cement trade from pakistan to india ?
why india out from gas pipe line project ?
why india have huge number of counslate in afghstan near pakistan boder ?
why india is killing pakistani prisoner in india ?
why india start diplomatect war aganist pakistan in world ?

why india has neighbour like pakistan

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

actully the indian's are still in akhand bharat dream so funny

wakeup pakistan is realty

 

[deckingraj]

No one would or wills to harm Pakistan to point where a cheotic situation develops . However there are efforts to bring Pakistan to a position where it can be monitered and thus can be made to accept some of the unwanted-Demands along with micromanagement of the key institutions .
This is certinly a threat and alot of counteries which pose to be our Parteners are involved in this .

Hey H2O3C4Nitrogen thanks a ton man...Finally i got some reply with a logic in it...I must say your point has lot of depth in it.. but please help me understand how will TTP help in this aspect???

I mean Pakistan economy is not doing that well..and there's a saying beggars are not choosers...Please dont get me wrong i dont want to sound derogatory but unfortunately condition in Pak is not that good...so really think that US needs people like TTP to bring Pakistan to its knees?? Isnt that one call from US after 9/11 bring your iron man(Mr. Musharaff) to make a u-turn on Afghanistan(obviously for the sake of Pakistan)...Now i am not an expert and just an ordinary man so not sure of dirty games by intelligence agencies as such so can specualte based on my logic like many others are doing...but after a tight slap of 9/11 US learnt a lesson the hard way...Al-qaeda was their own creation and prooved to be their frankestein...Now with what logic will they create another one called TTP??? On one hand they are giving you money(aid) to fight against these radicals and on other hand they are helping them to contol you and also killing their(TTP) leaders..its sound self-defeating...

I can vouch for you that countries will like to bring pakistan Pakistan to a position where it can be monitored but by what means... TTP is certainly not my way...

 

[Srinivas]

UK a better diplomatic friend? hahaha

UK has a ban on Visas to Pakistanis dude! do u think this is better?

That is after the War on Terror has started

 

[deckingraj]

Hi abbasniazi

Great points..Let me share my thoughts one by one...Please note that for now i am talking only about US role and not India because otherwise post gets very long and loose their meaning...We can come to india later..i hope you dont mind

Its the basic principle of agencies to nuteralize the asset before it is takenover by your enemy, so what the starter of the thread meant to say is why USA doesn't strike their assets when PA is not close to their arrest, and they are struck whenever it seems evident that they might be caught and therefore could speak out the truth behind the insurgency support.

You seems to be convinced on this...Would you mind me asking that how do reach this conclusion??? I have couple of questions

a) Are you saying that its a failure of Pak army to reach these assets/evils before US drones??? Is CIA that prudent that they are out smarting Pakistan army within Pakistan itself???
b) I understand neteralize concept but fail to understand how can US recurit/help TTP agents.. Kill them in drone attacks before Pak army reach them and also give you money(aid) to fight with them...i mean they are helping both the parties(Pak army and TTP) at the same time and no one is objecting to it???? Buddy i hope this is not true...otheriwse my questions would be what has happened to patriots in pakistan..or atleast the army why are they not objecting to it???

Its an old rule brother, do i need to remind you? well, to remind you its called "STICK AND CARROT RULE" and yes these official statements are made for the coverups, besides this USA assets are primarily in waziristan area not in bunir and it was a good opportunity for putting pressure on Pakistan and to bring it down to its knees.

Sorry buddy i disagree...Buner was just the start..how can you expect pak army to take action against TTP in buner and they do nothing about it?? In other words conflict wont escalate and finally reach wazirisatan(is US that naive)...cant you see that Pak army is finally attacking waziristan..in other words they are attacking american interests..isnt it???

tell me what the hell are indians doing in the so called mission offices on the pakistani border?

What the hell indians are doing there?? It dont need a brainer to understand that post Taliban era indians want to increase their influence in Afghanistan...You dont need a consulate close to border to help in insurgency...I dont see any Pakistan consulate in Indian part of Kashmir but insurgency is on...but you would like to have a consulate close to the border to keep an eye on the enemy(spying)...

tell me why the USA didn't attack bait-ullah mehsood 3 times when PA accurately pin pointed his location and told USA about his presence and asked them to attack but they didn't, do u know USA showed anger when they mistakingly killed bait ullah mehsood because this time PA told them it was a high value AL-QAIDA target and not bait ullah mehsood.

Tell me why PA did not attack bait-ullah mehsood when PA had accurately find out his location??? Are you saying that they are not capable of doing it??? Obviously TTP is your fight and they are of low interest to US...Their main objective is to kill al-qaeda..but cant vouch for why they did/did not do it...Also can you please back it with some claim that US showed anger for killing him..Last i remember they(US) had a bounty of $5 million dollar on him...All that was eye-wash????

do u know this bait ullah mehsood spent 4 years in guantanamobay prison and was converted by USA as a double agent and then sent to waziristan where he formed TTP.

Not sure buddy..Can you please provide some link..I would like to read???

i think u didn't know all these facts brother, otherwise u shouldn't have advocated USA in this context

I honestly dont want to even advocate for India..I am all to find out truth...Obviously dependent on news and discussions on such forums...Looking forward to see your reply

 

[arya]

actully the indian's are still in akhand bharat dream so funny

wakeup pakistan is realty

r u sure

 

[deckingraj]

nah.. dont take my words wrong!

i said People wo want islam in pakistan are not doing sucide bombings at all and are not fighting with these four!

tell me who is fighting with these four?

ones who are maintained by outside to demolish pakistan are bad ones! i hate those talibans!

Apologies if i misunderstood you...Buddy what are you suggesting...who is fighting with these four?? Obviously jehadi groups like LET, Afghan Taliban, Al-qaeda etc etc... Do you think they are wrong as well...if yes great...i have kudos for you..if not then in my opinion its hypocracy..and yes TTP is an evil who is attacking innocents in Pak just like LET,Afghan Taliban, Al-qaeda, LTTE and other like minded groups doing in other countries