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[faisal4pro]

Sigh ... no time to respond to all this but here is something about the water issue:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...says-india-not-blocking-water.html#post390372

ur source is biased dude!

 

[Patriot]

We need to put our house in order first that is eliminate terrorists from every single inch of our territory.We should have full control over our territory.Internal threats are far more dangerous then these threats combined (UK is not a real threat along with US)

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

We need to say "no" to USA now! We need to tell India that Kashmir is ours! We need to prove that we are with our intelligence and army! We need to stand for our brothers who are being victimized in someone's fight! We need to teach India and USA a lesson that WE ARE UNITED!

yes brother i agree we are united and thank's for your best post

 

[faisal4pro]

Even during the wars of 65 and 71, India did not block water afaik. If someone can find credible sources to prove me wrong please do so.

India stopped water of rivers flowing into Pakistan in 1948, 1971, 1978, 1998 and now in 2009 (massive try to demolish Pakistan's agriculture by stopping Chennab)

* In 1948 India stopped water of the rivers flowing into Pakistani portions of the lower Doab canals and Dipalpur canal from the Ferozepur Head Works.

* Again in 1985 India started work on Wuller barrage or Tulbul project on Jehlum River. This construction was violation of the Indus Basin Treaty.

* Pakistan's economy is agriculture based and hydropower is the main source of energy for the domestic as well as the industrial consumers. According to CIA World Factbook, 22 per cent of Pakistan's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is agriculture and 42 per cent of its labour force is engaged in agriculture.

* Current cut-off in water flow on river flowing into Pakistan by India has caused damage to 3.4 Million Acres (almost 18% of total irrigated land)

* Another controversial project being carried out by India is Kishan-Ganga storage hydro-electric power project on the River Neelum, a branch of River Jhelum. The dam will violate, the Indus Water Treaty and, water flow enough to disrupt agriculture and general water supply for Pakistani people. India is using Baglihar dam as a weaponry tool by causing floods in Pakistan through release of dam waters.

Water Disputes Between India and Pakistan- A Potential Casus Belli - The Henry Jackson Society

Blue Gold Dispute - News

 

[abbasniazi]

In my opinion,

whatever questions the starter of the thread has put are valid and almost all the pakistanis put such questions to all those indian brothers which claim that indians have nothing to do with the hardships which pakistan is facing now adays and even before.

I'd say its not the indians, Israelis, USA or UK which is weakening us, rather, its the nincumpoops (heejra) sitting at the top positions in both politcis and bureaucracy plus the adventurous generals which while coming close to their retirement get themselves the phobia of what they'd do when they get retired.

we must take stern stance.

If some of you have watched BRAVEHEART movie then just remind yourselves the speech of william walace to the rebels who were uncertain about win or defeat, he said death is something which everyone has to taste, u may buy urself an extended life for a few days, a life of disgrace but in every surviving day of that life u'll wish that u get this chance of today once so that u can have the chance to change the fate and live with honour.

SHER KI AIK DIN KI ZINDAGI GEEDER KI SAU SAAL KI ZINDAGI SAY BEHTER HAI...REMEMBER

we not only lie to others but infact we lie to ourselves coz others are not fools, this war on terror was not ours, now we are trapped to fight through the river of blood of our own people.

just think about it, speak truth.

 

[Patriot]

I wish our Pakistani brothers had this much himat against Talibans.They would have been erased by now.

 

[faisal4pro]

I wish our Pakistani brothers had this much himat against Talibans.They would have been erased by now.

Taliban are funded, trained and maintained by these 4 countries or at least India and USA. So better stay united against them!

 

[Patriot]

So sir jee according to your theory they are supported by USA, UK , Israel and India so why not eliminate TTP and Talibans instead of going towards big fish.You've got to fry little fish first.

 

[faisal4pro]

So sir jee according to your theory they are supported by USA, UK , Israel and India so why not eliminate TTP and Talibans instead of going towards big fish.You've got to fry little fish first.

Pakistan army and intelligence agencies are against them and holding action from past 7 years! the cannot eliminate them as it is clear by the facts when pak army raided South Waziristan! The militants run away to Afghanistan and is there any one who can tell me "why america allowed militants to enter in Afghanistan"?

we do not afraid of Islam or being true follower of islam! so the taliban wo say islam are good ones! the taliban who want war and unrest in pakistan are bad ones and these are ones who are being funded by these four states!

@ topic: i wish We can learn from Quran!

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

Pakistan army and intelligence agencies are against them and holding action from past 7 years! the cannot eliminate them as it is clear by the facts when pak army raided South Waziristan! The militants run away to Afghanistan and is there any one who can tell me "why america allowed militants to enter in Afghanistan"?

we do not afraid of Islam or being true follower of islam! so the taliban wo say islam are good ones! the taliban who want war and unrest in pakistan are bad ones and these are ones who are being funded by these four states!

@ topic: i wish We can learn from Quran!

THE INDECATION'S

when pak army enterted in waziristan why nato force's leav the five post's wich are on waziristan afghan boder these are indication's of unitited war aganist pakistan
when pak army is near to any ttp leader usa hit them by drone
why not when pak army far from them ?
actully they dont want to arrest thes leaders by pak army because the knew that if pak army do this our plan's are leak

 

[deckingraj]

when pak army enterted in waziristan why nato force's leav the five post's wich are on waziristan afghan boder these are indication's of unitited war aganist pakistan
when pak army is near to any ttp leader usa hit them by drone
why not when pak army far from them ?
actully they dont want to arrest thes leaders by pak army because the knew that if pak army do this our plan's are leak

Care to elaborate more on this?? What plans are you talking about?? What plans that US or for that matter india have that they kill TTP leaders the moment army reaches out to them??

P.S : I have an idea of what you are going to reply but hoping against hope that you will sahre your POV atleast based on logic if not proof

 

[deckingraj]

Pakistan army and intelligence agencies are against them and holding action from past 7 years! the cannot eliminate them as it is clear by the facts when pak army raided South Waziristan! The militants run away to Afghanistan and is there any one who can tell me "why america allowed militants to enter in Afghanistan"?

we do not afraid of Islam or being true follower of islam! so the taliban wo say islam are good ones! the taliban who want war and unrest in pakistan are bad ones and these are ones who are being funded by these four states!

@ topic: i wish We can learn from Quran!

In other words taliban who on the name of Islam is attacking pakistan is non-islamic but the taliban who on the name of islam is fighting against these four evil states is good one...even though there methods are same(suicide bombings...innocent killings etc)...You really mean that??? I hope not but then i know there are many people who just post out of shear hatred and hypocracy...

Anyways please don't bother to reply if your answer to the questions is yes...i wanted to avoid posting against you but could not help due to pathetic level of hypocracy in your post...

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

Care to elaborate more on this?? What plans are you talking about?? What plans that US or for that matter india have that they kill TTP leaders the moment army reaches out to them??

P.S : I have an idea of what you are going to reply but hoping against hope that you will sahre your POV atleast based on logic if not proof

sir
i have number's of friend's in army they are in opration in waziristan and sawat they tell me that hundred's of time pak army is near to TTP leader bait ullah masood but he out just befor army and they are very sure that he is highly paid agent of any one if i sad you feel not good so plz dont to be so inocent

 

[deckingraj]

sir
i have number's of friend's in army they are in opration in waziristan and sawat they tell me that hundred's of time pak army is near to TTP leader bait ullah masood but he out just befor army and they are very sure that he is highly paid agent of any one if i sad you feel not good so plz dont to be so inocent

OK..Let me help you here..he is indian/US agent...now would you mind sharing or let me say enlighten us what your army friends tell you about TTP leaders being killed once PAK army is close to them...

Is it like these so called india/us agents are so much anti pakistan that they are willing to die by drones(martyrs in our eyes because they are willing to die to avoid leakage of great plan) and still take help from we evils.... doesn't this sound stupid to you???

My friend please just don't make opinion on something without challenging it..May i ask why US is giving aid to pakistan if she wants to destroy pakistan??? Isn't it that the idea of aid is to make pakistan stronger and free of radicals like TTP??? Have you missed Hillary clinton very strongly criticizing Pakistan when TTP captured Banur??? why..isnt it was a dream come true because US wants TTP to denuclarize pakistan???

Answer above questions and tell me why you still think US is not anti-TTP

If you can reach the desired conclusion than help me understand How can india help TTP if US is against it...Isnt that means challenging US interests?? Do you think RAW is that smart and India that naive that we will take US for a ride at a time when they are doing our job(cleaning the islamic militants from Afghanistan and pressuring Pak to clean it up in Pakistan)??

I am fine if you blindly want to believe your army friends but do me a favor if you fail to answer my questions please do ask these to your friends in army and share their thoughts on this forum

Regards
Rajwinder Singh

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

No one would or wills to harm Pakistan to point where a cheotic situation develops . However there are efforts to bring Pakistan to a position where it can be monitered and thus can be made to accept some of the unwanted-Demands along with micromanagement of the key institutions .
This is certinly a threat and alot of counteries which pose to be our Parteners are involved in this .