India Is Out, But Russia Continues Developing Il-214 Transport

[shree835]

The Russian government will fund development of the Ilyushin Il-214 medium airlifter and production of about a hundred such aircraft for the Russian Air and Space Force (VKS), according to industry sources close to the program. Allocations for procurement will be provided in the Kremlin's new Armament Program after 2020, following the current program timed for 2010-2020.

The Il-214 is, effectively, a version of the Indo-Russian Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA). Moscow and New Delhi signed a government-to-government agreement for the MTA in 2007. This was followed three years later by a co-development agreement at the industry level. A newly established Multirole Transport Aircraft Ltd. (MTAL) company based in Bangalore made its first appearance at airshows with a stand at AeroIndia 2010.

The development costs were previously estimated at $600 million, and were to be covered by both parties on equal terms. Serial examples of the aircraft would cost between $35 and $40 million. The global market for the MTA was forecast at 400 units, including special mission versions for electronic warfare, airborne early warning and control, reconnaissance and patrol and airborne tanker.

India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) and its Russian collaborators signed agreements in 2012 that established a joint team of 150 designers in Moscow and Bangalore. The team started working on MTA documentation in December that year. Shortly thereafter, however, the effort was discontinued over disagreements and misunderstandings. In January, Ilyushin general manager Sergei Velmozhkin told reporters: “As a joint project between Russia and India, this project has been halted.”

Designers in Moscow, however, continue to develop documentation for the aircraft tailored to VKS requirements. A September 2015 protocol between Russia’s Ministry of Defense and industry calls for completion of Il-214 development.

“The Indians are very difficult people to do business with,” Ilyushin general designer Nikolai Talikov told AIN. “At first, it looked like they are all set to go, but later they began to hesitate. The two countries considered many options, including joint production of Il-114 and, later, the MTA…In the end, Russia will make this aircraft alone, under the designation Il-214.”

The Il-214 program is currently at the draft design stage. Documentation for the manufacturing plant—Aviastar, in Ulianovsk—will be prepared after the design house completes similar work on the smaller Il-112V tactical airlifter for production at the VASO plant in Voronezh. According to Talikov, VASO is on track to make an airframe for structural testing this year, followed by a first prototype and its maiden flight in 2017.

Subsequently, the Il-214 prototype is planned for completion “around 2020,” Talikov said. Developmental prototypes and early production examples will have twin Aviadvigatel PS-90A1 turbofans, each developing 17.4 tons of thrust. These will later be replaced by the more advanced PD-14M producing 18 tons of thrust.

The current work schedule and engine choice are markedly different from earlier ones. Under agreements signed in 2007-2010, the MTA was to make its maiden flight between 2016 and 2018. It was to be powered by CFM International CFM56 or IAE V2500 turbofans, as these were favored above Russian and Ukrainian options to power 45 deliverable aircraft for the Indian air force.

The most recent information on MTA/Il-214 performance and specification metrics available from Russian industry sites specify a maximum takeoff weight of 68 metric tons (149,912 pounds), maximum payload of 20 metric tons (44,092 pounds)and runway length at 1,600 m to 1,800 m (5,250 to 6,000 feet). Design targets include transportation of a 20-ton payload to 2,250 km (1,214 nm) and 10-ton payload to 6,400 km (3,454 nm) at a cruise speed of 437 ktas. The aircraft’s service life will be 35 years and 30,000 flight hours.

Outwardly, the Il-214 resembles a classic twinjet with T-shaped empennage and two high-bypass turbofan engines on underwing pylons. The cabin cross section (with fuselage diameter of about 16 feet) is similar to the much heavier Il-76 four-engine transport. The Il-214 will be able to accommodate two standard army trucks or five airline containers. In a single-deck layout, the aircraft would accommodate 70 to 82 paratroopers; a double-decker would carry up to 150.

The crew station is modeled after that of the Il-476 and features six multifunction displays and two head-up displays. Takeoff and landing operations can be made using both paved and unpaved runways, in hot-and-high environments, and during day or night conditions.

India Is Out, But Russia Continues Developing Il-214 Transport | Defense News: Aviation International News

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Good, so it's official. Reliance and Ukrainians(Antonov) will fill the void. HAL and Russians are dumped.

 

[MKC]

Good, so it's official. Reliance and Ukrainians(Antonov) will fill the void. HAL and Russians are dumped.

I hope they will fill void otherwise not HAL nor UAC is looser but that is IAF...

 

[#hydra#]

Good, so it's official. Reliance and Ukrainians(Antonov) will fill the void. HAL and Russians are dumped.

An is not a rugged one like illusions. That's why Soviets choose il76 over much bigger an124s.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

An is not a rugged one like illusions. That's why Soviets choose il76 over much bigger an124s.

Sure, but these guys in HAL and Ilyushin were making absolutely no progress. With HAL not letting go of the engine issue, Russians not caring. This delinking had to be done, things need to move forward else where.

 

[Immortan.Joe]

An is not a rugged one like illusions. That's why Soviets choose il76 over much bigger an124s.

But in current circumstances, we could wring out better TOT (probably absolute) from Ukranians, than Russians.

Sure, but these guys in HAL and Ilyushin were making absolutely no progress. With HAL not letting go of the engine issue, Russians not caring. This delinking had to be done, things need to move forward else where.

True.

I believe both Russians and HAL sighed of relief exclaiming good riddance. This project was seriously bogged down in differences regarding Engines and was unworkable. Though I do not understand why Russians objected to inclusion of FADEC engines. It would have decreased maintenance cost of this aircraft.

I hope they will fill void otherwise not HAL nor UAC is looser but that is IAF...

C-130??

 

[MKC]

C-130??

Well, C130J is good but is not our design, we must design, we have to get some ToT for that in near future.

 

[Manindra]

An is not a rugged one like illusions. That's why Soviets choose il76 over much bigger an124s.

Someone say Antonov is not rugged

 

[Abingdonboy]

The Russian government will fund development of the Ilyushin Il-214 medium airlifter and production of about a hundred such aircraft for the Russian Air and Space Force (VKS), according to industry sources close to the program. Allocations for procurement will be provided in the Kremlin's new Armament Program after 2020, following the current program timed for 2010-2020.

The Il-214 is, effectively, a version of the Indo-Russian Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA). Moscow and New Delhi signed a government-to-government agreement for the MTA in 2007. This was followed three years later by a co-development agreement at the industry level. A newly established Multirole Transport Aircraft Ltd. (MTAL) company based in Bangalore made its first appearance at airshows with a stand at AeroIndia 2010.

The development costs were previously estimated at $600 million, and were to be covered by both parties on equal terms. Serial examples of the aircraft would cost between $35 and $40 million. The global market for the MTA was forecast at 400 units, including special mission versions for electronic warfare, airborne early warning and control, reconnaissance and patrol and airborne tanker.

India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) and its Russian collaborators signed agreements in 2012 that established a joint team of 150 designers in Moscow and Bangalore. The team started working on MTA documentation in December that year. Shortly thereafter, however, the effort was discontinued over disagreements and misunderstandings. In January, Ilyushin general manager Sergei Velmozhkin told reporters: “As a joint project between Russia and India, this project has been halted.”

Designers in Moscow, however, continue to develop documentation for the aircraft tailored to VKS requirements. A September 2015 protocol between Russia’s Ministry of Defense and industry calls for completion of Il-214 development.

“The Indians are very difficult people to do business with,” Ilyushin general designer Nikolai Talikov told AIN. “At first, it looked like they are all set to go, but later they began to hesitate. The two countries considered many options, including joint production of Il-114 and, later, the MTA…In the end, Russia will make this aircraft alone, under the designation Il-214.”

The Il-214 program is currently at the draft design stage. Documentation for the manufacturing plant—Aviastar, in Ulianovsk—will be prepared after the design house completes similar work on the smaller Il-112V tactical airlifter for production at the VASO plant in Voronezh. According to Talikov, VASO is on track to make an airframe for structural testing this year, followed by a first prototype and its maiden flight in 2017.

Subsequently, the Il-214 prototype is planned for completion “around 2020,” Talikov said. Developmental prototypes and early production examples will have twin Aviadvigatel PS-90A1 turbofans, each developing 17.4 tons of thrust. These will later be replaced by the more advanced PD-14M producing 18 tons of thrust.

The current work schedule and engine choice are markedly different from earlier ones. Under agreements signed in 2007-2010, the MTA was to make its maiden flight between 2016 and 2018. It was to be powered by CFM International CFM56 or IAE V2500 turbofans, as these were favored above Russian and Ukrainian options to power 45 deliverable aircraft for the Indian air force.

The most recent information on MTA/Il-214 performance and specification metrics available from Russian industry sites specify a maximum takeoff weight of 68 metric tons (149,912 pounds), maximum payload of 20 metric tons (44,092 pounds)and runway length at 1,600 m to 1,800 m (5,250 to 6,000 feet). Design targets include transportation of a 20-ton payload to 2,250 km (1,214 nm) and 10-ton payload to 6,400 km (3,454 nm) at a cruise speed of 437 ktas. The aircraft’s service life will be 35 years and 30,000 flight hours.

Outwardly, the Il-214 resembles a classic twinjet with T-shaped empennage and two high-bypass turbofan engines on underwing pylons. The cabin cross section (with fuselage diameter of about 16 feet) is similar to the much heavier Il-76 four-engine transport. The Il-214 will be able to accommodate two standard army trucks or five airline containers. In a single-deck layout, the aircraft would accommodate 70 to 82 paratroopers; a double-decker would carry up to 150.

The crew station is modeled after that of the Il-476 and features six multifunction displays and two head-up displays. Takeoff and landing operations can be made using both paved and unpaved runways, in hot-and-high environments, and during day or night conditions.

India Is Out, But Russia Continues Developing Il-214 Transport | Defense News: Aviation International News

The writing has been on the wall for years, I'm glad we finally have closure, now all sides can move foreward on their own paths.


Whilst this was predictable, I fear there is no real contingency plan in place and the IAF's transport fleet, like its fighter stream, is in a very poor state- 30% of its backbone (An-32) have been canniblasied and 70% haven't been upgraded to the RE standard and this was the plane the MTA was meant to replace! Only about 50% of the C-17 fleet the IAF desired has been delivered (with the production line entirly dead), the A330 MRTT is nowhere to be seen (given its multi-role capabilties it would be fair to club this in the transport fleet). And things are only going to get worse as time goes by- the An-32s wil continue to be pushed to the edge and the heavy lift fleet will lose 60% of its strength within 12 years (as the Il-76s start to retire) and the C-295W will only provide light releif to the IAF but I imagine it will have to pick up a lot of the slack as the An-32s start to come to the end of their lives.


This time, the IAF's planning cannot be faulted (had all plans progressed this fleet would have been one of the finest in the world) but between them and the MoD their implementaton has been abysmal and now they are in dire straits.

@PARIKRAMA @Water Car Engineer @Taygibay @Levina @anant_s @Blue Marlin @ni8mare @Koovie @MilSpec @nair @sathya

 

[PARIKRAMA]

US wants to do Make In India.. Time they make c130 Xj in India..

let us order 50-60 of those birds.. it can work wonders ...

 

[MKC]

The writing has been on the wall for years, I'm glad we finally have closure, now all sides can move foreward on their own paths.


Whilst this was predictable, I fear there is no real contingency plan in place and the IAF's transport fleet, like its fighter stream, is in a very poor state- 30% of its backbone (An-32) have been canniblasied and 70% haven't been upgraded to the RE standard and this was the plane the MTA was meant to replace! Only about 50% of the C-17 fleet the IAF desired has been delivered (with the production line entirly dead), the A330 MRTT is nowhere to be seen (given its multi-role capabilties it would be fair to club this in the transport fleet). And things are only going to get worse as time goes by- the An-32s wil continue to be pushed to the edge and the heavy lift fleet will lose 60% of its strength within 12 years (as the Il-76s start to retire) and the C-295W will only provide light releif to the IAF but I imagine it will have to pick up a lot of the slack as the An-32s start to come to the end of their lives.


This time, the IAF's planning cannot be faulted (had all plans progressed this fleet would have been one of the finest in the world) but between them and the MoD their implementaton has been abysmal and now they are in dire straits.

@PARIKRAMA @Water Car Engineer @Taygibay @Levina @anant_s @Blue Marlin @ni8mare @Koovie @MilSpec @nair @sathya

I hope we buy some AirbusA400M to make number for C17s otherwise I don't think there is any other option.

US wants to do Make In India.. Time they make c130 Xj in India..

let us order 50-60 of those birds.. it can work wonders ...

We can hope about C130J but I think LM won't agree for MII... but Airbus can agree.

 

[Taygibay]

Although they're not the same, I think that in the interest of the IAF a split deal might work.

From your posts above, let's exclude the non-transport specific MRTT and keep the other 2.
GoI calls both Airbus and LM and asks for two options sets : fast delivery offshelf & MII plant.
Review the deals and select one of each. At worst both deals go to the same?
At best, you have each committed to proving their part vs the other : the faster the quick buy
goes, the more chances of additional planes prior to MII arrivals so the latter is motivated too.

Just do it, Tay.

 

[Blue Marlin]

The writing has been on the wall for years, I'm glad we finally have closure, now all sides can move foreward on their own paths.


Whilst this was predictable, I fear there is no real contingency plan in place and the IAF's transport fleet, like its fighter stream, is in a very poor state- 30% of its backbone (An-32) have been canniblasied and 70% haven't been upgraded to the RE standard and this was the plane the MTA was meant to replace! Only about 50% of the C-17 fleet the IAF desired has been delivered (with the production line entirly dead), the A330 MRTT is nowhere to be seen (given its multi-role capabilties it would be fair to club this in the transport fleet). And things are only going to get worse as time goes by- the An-32s wil continue to be pushed to the edge and the heavy lift fleet will lose 60% of its strength within 12 years (as the Il-76s start to retire) and the C-295W will only provide light releif to the IAF but I imagine it will have to pick up a lot of the slack as the An-32s start to come to the end of their lives.


This time, the IAF's planning cannot be faulted (had all plans progressed this fleet would have been one of the finest in the world) but between them and the MoD their implementaton has been abysmal and now they are in dire straits.

@PARIKRAMA @Water Car Engineer @Taygibay @Levina @anant_s @Blue Marlin @ni8mare @Koovie @MilSpec @nair @sathya

they do need help asap. but the iaf also relies on the hs748 which is to be replaced with the c295w
a 20 tonne class transporter is required there is a rift between the russia and india regarding the iL-214 but it will be resolved. the c130-xj as mentioned by @PARIKRAMA is a good idea but it will cost uoi a bit more to recieve the planes as you basically buying the designs for the plane. and in all honesty the c130 xj is a good idea but a untested one at that. simply buying the standard c130-30j is safer and easier as you alread know the plane as you have inducted it. heck with a dudget like indias you can afford to do that. time will tell what path you take.

 

[MilSpec]

Quite unfortunate, I was looking forward to the UAC214/MTA.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Although they're not the same, I think that in the interest of the IAF a split deal might work.

From your posts above, let's exclude the non-transport specific MRTT and keep the other 2.
GoI calls both Airbus and LM and asks for two options sets : fast delivery offshelf & MII plant.
Review the deals and select one of each. Ar worst both deals go to the same?
At best, you have each committed to proving their part vs the other, the faster the quick buy
goes the more chances of additional planes prior to MII arrivals so the latter is motivated too.

Just do it, Tay.

Very logical, this is what the MoD should be doing instead they are messing around with the MMRCA/Rafale deal.

there is a rift between the russia and india regarding the iL-214 but it will be resolved.

That is the MTA and that deal is offically dead.

US wants to do Make In India.. Time they make c130 Xj in India..

let us order 50-60 of those birds.. it can work wonders ...

What have you and I been saying for a while now about the MTA bro?