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India is not a secular country

To all Indians

Here is the definition of secular:  

secular: spirit or tendency, especially a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship.


In a country that calls it self secular should not have any religious party period. Check out USA. Try registering a religious party in USA and you will find out what the results could be. If India is truly secular then it should not have parties like RSS, BJP and alike. Check out another gem from the BJP web site:

"DYNAMIC CHRISTIANS, STAGNANT MUSLIMS

The nation-state was so powerful, that other countries, like India, could not stand against it. And when the nation-state concept was powered by religious exclusivism it had no equal. When religion acquired the state, the church itself was the first victim of that acquisition. Christianity suffered from the Christian state. It had to struggle not only against Islamic states and Islamic society, but also against itself. As a consequence, it underwent a process of moderation. First, it experienced dissent, then renaissance through arts, music and culture. Thus Christianity was able to overcome the effect of theocratic statecraft by slowly evolving as a society not entirely identified with the state. First the state began to dominate over the Church on the principle of separation between the religious and temporal authorities. The result was the evolution of the secular state. Thus the King wrested the secular power from the Archbishop. Then through democratic movements following the French Revolution, the people wrested power from the King. Later commerce invaded public life as the prime thrust of the Christian West. The theocratic state abdicated in favor of a secular state, the secular state gave way to democracy and later democracy gave way to commerce. Then power shifted from commerce to technology. And now in the Christian West, the state and the society are largely powered by commerce and technology. The Christian West today is even prepared to give up the concept of the nation-state to promote commerce fueled by technological advance. Look at the consolidation that is taking place between Mexico, Canada and the United States of America around trade, and the kind of pyramidal politico economic consolidation that is taking place in Western Europe. All this is oriented towards only one thing West.

ISLAM REMAINED UNCHANGED

While the Christian West has evolved dynamically over the past few centuries, the story of Islam is one of 1500 years of unmitigated stagnation. There has never been a successful attempt from within Islam to start the flow, so to speak. Anyone who attempted to start even a variant of the mainstream flow -- anyone who merely attempted to reinterpret the same book and the same prophet -- was disposed of with such severity that it set an example and a warning to anyone who would dare to cross the line. Some, who merely said that it was not necessary for the Islamic Kingdom to be ruled by the Prophet's own descendants were wiped out. Some others said that the Prophet himself may come again -- not that somebody else might come, but the Prophet himself may be reborn. They were also wiped out. The Sunnis, the Shias, the Ahmedias, the Bahais -- all of whom trusted the same prophet, revered the same book and were loyal to the same revelation -- were all physically and spiritually maimed. From the earliest times, Islam has proved itself incapable of producing an internal evolution; internally legitimized change has not been possible since all change is instantly regarded as an act of apostasy. Every change was -- and is -- put down with bloodshed. In contrast, the Hindu ethos changed continuously. Though, it was always change with continuity: from ritualistic life, to agnostic Buddhism, to the Ahimsa of Mahavira, to the intellect of Sankara, to the devotion of Ramanuja, and finally to the modern movements of social reform. In India, all these changes have occurred without the shedding of a single drop of blood. Islam, on the other hand retains its changelessness, despite the spilling of so much blood all around. It is the changelessness of Islam -- its equal revulsion towards dissent within and towards non-Islamic thoughts without -- that has made it a problem for the whole world."

Complete article can be seen at:

ESSAY : "Semitic Monotheism" | Hindutva

This party is hell bent upon proving that Hinduism is better than Christianity and Islam as one is dynamic and other is stagnant respectively. What is it that BJP is trying to prove. Is Hinduism better than Islam and Christianity, if so, should all the Muslims and Christians convert to Hinduism?

Burning of churches and taking over the Babri Mosque and its conversion into a Hindu temple is a shame to all Indians who thinks that their country is secular. What a joke. Even the Indian High Court put the decision in favor of the RAM (mythical Hindu god) who was named a palintiff against the Babri mosque committee.

Now look at the Indian currency and its passport. The four faced (three shown) lion is definitely not a Muslim or Christian character. It is a Hindu figure.

Look at the Indian currency note in detail with this Hindu figure:

File:10 rupees old.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And now the passport:

The emblem on the passport is shown at the following link:

File:Emblem of India.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is details about what this Hindu figure means:
The emblem of India is an adaptation of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka.

Emperor Ashoka the Great erected the capital atop an Ashoka Pillar to mark the spot where Gautama Buddha first taught the Dharma and where the Buddhist Sangha was founded. In the original there are four Asiatic lions, standing back to back, mounted on a circular abacus with a frieze carrying sculptures in high relief of an elephant, a galloping horse, a bull and a lion separated by intervening Dharmachakra or Ashoka Chakra wheels over a bell-shaped lotus. It was carved out of a single block of polished sandstone.

The four lions (one hidden from view) - symbolising power, courage, pride and confidence - rest on a circular abacus. The abacus is girded by four smaller animals - guardians of the four directions: the lion of the north, the elephant of the east, the horse of the south and the bull of the west.The abacus rests on a lotus in full bloom, exemplifying the fountainhead of life and creative inspiration. The motto 'Satyameva Jayate' inscribed below the emblem in Devanagari script means 'truth alone triumphs'.

The version used as the emblem does not include the bell-shaped lotus flower beneath. The frieze beneath the lions is shown with the Dharma Chakra in the center, a bull on the right and a galloping horse on the left, and outlines of Dharma Chakras on the extreme right and left.

The writing in devnagri letter at the bottom of the fige came from a Hindu scripture book called the Upanishad. Forming an integral part of the emblem is the motto inscribed below the abacus in Devanagari script which reads "Satyameva Jayate" (English: Truth Alone Triumphs). This is a quote from Mundaka Upanishad the concluding part of the sacred Hindu Vedas.

Do not go away folks. We still have to look at the Indian flag.

The 24 spoke wheel is not a secular figure either. The Ashoka Chakra is a depiction of the Buddhist Dharmachakra, represented with 24 spokes. It is so called because it appears on a number of edicts of Ashoka, most prominent among which is the Lion Capital of Sarnath which has been adopted as the National Emblem of the Republic of India. The most visible use of the Ashoka Chakra today is at the centre of the National flag of the Republic of India (adopted on 22 July 1947), where it is rendered in a Navy-blue color on a White background, by replacing the symbol of Charkha (Spinning wheel) of the pre-independence versions of the flag.

Here is my question to all Indians who think that their country is secular: Is this chakra a secular figure or a religious one? Was Ashoka a hindu, muslim or a christian? Even if was a budhist, why is it that a bhuddist emblem is appearing on a passport of a secular country?

The list is long and dirty.

All Muslims in Pakistan should know better that while Indians scream on top of their lungs that their country is secular, they are not. Present day India is a hindu state period.

Okay..now go to bed peacefully.
 
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Mf hussain drew Hindu goddesses in the nude. A danish cartoonist just DREW muhammad. So don't you dare tell me hindus are the less tolerant ones. Secondly, in what universe do incidents like the mangalore one describe all of india. Come to mumbai and there are hundreds of night clubs full of girls every day (Trust me I'd know ;) )
And for all the future trollers, I'm neither hindu nor muslim.
Before threatening MF hussain ignorant hindus must destroy all those nude art work and sculptures in their own temples in india first .How about starting from Khajuraho etc....
 
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Before threatening MF hussain ignorant hindus must destroy all those nude art work and sculptures in their own temples in india first .How about starting from Khajuraho etc....

I think it's part of their religion. Why force somebody to do something against their religion?
 
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india is neither secular nor it is democracy.better to define india as mutated secular country with mobocracy.Who ever able to make bigger mob gets heard.
 
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I think it's part of their religion. Why force somebody to do something against their religion?
its just hypocrisy of the VHP and bajrang dal goons and others assorted hindu groups who threatened M.F.Hussain for his paintings.Same was pointed out by the Supreme court in it ruling when it questioned these groups about their hypocrisy about nude paintings of m.f.hussain wrt to those art forms at khajurao etc.
 
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its just hypocrisy of the VHP and bajrang dal goons and others assorted hindu groups who threatened M.F.Hussain for his paintings.Same was pointed out by the Supreme court in it ruling when it questioned these groups about their hypocrisy about nude paintings of m.f.hussain wrt to those art forms at khajurao etc.

The issue is he is a muslim and he drew nude images of Hindu Gods. I don't mid it. But believing Hindus would definitely get offended. Today's India has changed a lot because of muslim invasion and British rule. We have become a lot more conservative now. Hussien's painting would have been accepted if it was the time Kajuraho was built.

PS: India is as secular as it could get . I don't know if there is another country which does so much to appease the minorities.
 
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so u r judging a country by web site of a party. well done mate. if u have to judge a country, please do so by its constitution not by website of a right wing nationalist party. thanx.

I think the point was that this right wing nationalist party is gaining popularity within India. Many people might vote for them purely for their economic policies, but will it turn out to be a Trojan horse?

Just to make it clear, I am not taking a stand on secularism. If a majority of Indians want a Hindu state, while guaranteeing the rights of minorities, it is certainly their choice.
 
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I think the point was that this right wing nationalist party is gaining popularity within India. Many people might vote for them purely for their economic policies, but will it turn out to be a Trojan horse?

Just to make it clear, I am not taking a stand on secularism. If a majority of Indians want a Hindu state, while guaranteeing the rights of minorities, it is certainly their choice.

Indians are overwhelmingly secular. There are pockets of population who might like India to be a Hindu country. But it very small. From the very beginning ,Indian government's propaganda through media and education has been unity in diversity and secularism has been promoted as a thing to be proud of. And unlike Islam, Hinduism itself does not have any political ideologies. So there is no religious reason for the Hindus to support the idea of India becoming a Hindu state.
 
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Lol. Seriously, just go to india and see for yourself. Especially states like kerala and goa. Trust me when i say the country is NEVER abandoning its secular nature. My india accomodates all, feel free to visit if you mean no harm.
 
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we indians have standed united despite our diversities.we may speak different,eat different,wear different but we all are INDIANS.
We don't need the approval of
a lousy guy who screams over the net. In India,any one can express his wills freely. Anyone can create any party if
they mean no harm. We have achieved multi dimensional progress and world sees india as a growing power.
Ps: i am a muslim,who has
A lot of hindu frnds,and study
In institution run by christians
 
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I think the point was that this right wing nationalist party is gaining popularity within India. Many people might vote for them purely for their economic policies, but will it turn out to be a Trojan horse?

Just to make it clear, I am not taking a stand on secularism. If a majority of Indians want a Hindu state, while guaranteeing the rights of minorities, it is certainly their choice.

The Indian voter has been most discerning. This is something most outside India & even within do not seem to grasp.

Indira Gandhi despite the victory in 71 lost when the emergency was imposed. The BJP led coalition lost even when India was ' shining". The recent elections in Bihar have proved the point that development & security were the issues the voter wanted.

There is room for all. Communists , hardliners like BJP & enterprises like BSP all have a place and there is no cause for alarm. By now the democracy has matured to separate the chaff from the grain.
 
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I think the point was that this right wing nationalist party is gaining popularity within India. Many people might vote for them purely for their economic policies, but will it turn out to be a Trojan horse?

Just to make it clear, I am not taking a stand on secularism. If a majority of Indians want a Hindu state, while guaranteeing the rights of minorities, it is certainly their choice.

Right wing, left wing, it simply does not matter. India's secularism is not at anyone's mercy. It is a central tenet of the constitution, one that India's Supreme Court has made clear (in its ruling that the basic tenets of the constitution are unalterable) cannot be changed. Period. The State is secular, will be secular & will be watched over by constitutional institutions. It does not matter what the majority may or may not want in the parliament, certain parts of the constitution just cannot be changed. So, don't worry about India becoming a Hindu state, it just cannot happen.
 
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This is getting ridiculous ! Buddhist Dharmachakra ? The Asokan Pillar!
ffs this is part of our heritage !

Look at the flag of Norway
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Or Sweden
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It reflects their Christian past (and present)

Look at the emblem of Indonesia

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It's called the Garuda Pachshila (Garuda is a bird in Hindu Mythology).

The OP doesn't know the difference between an atheistic state and a secular one !
 
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