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India Is Losing The Race
By STEVEN RATTNER
As recently as 2006, when I first visited India and China, the economic race was on, with heavy bets being placed on which one would win the developing world sweepstakes.

Many Westerners fervently hoped that a democratic country would triumph economically over an autocratic regime.

Now the contest is emphatically over. China has lunged into the 21st century, while India is still lurching toward it.

That’s evident not just in columns of dry statistics but in the rhythm and sensibility of each country. While China often seems to eradicate its past as it single-mindedly constructs its future, India nibbles more judiciously at its complex history.

Visits to crowded Indian urban centers unleash sensory assaults: colorful dress and lilting chatter provide a backdrop to every manner of commerce, from small shops to peddlers to beggars. That makes for engaging tourism, but not the fastest economic development. In contrast to China’s full-throated, monochromatic embrace of large-scale manufacturing, India more closely resembles a nation of shopkeepers.

To be sure, India has achieved enviable success in business services, like the glistening call centers in Bangalore and elsewhere. But in the global jousting for manufacturing jobs, India does not get its share.

Now, after years of rocketing growth, China’s gross domestic product per capita of $9,146 is more than twice India’s. And its economy grew by 7.7 percent in 2012, while India expanded at a (hardly shabby) 5.3 percent rate.
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China’s investment rate of 48 percent of G.D.P. — a key metric for development — also exceeded India’s. At 36 percent, India’s number is robust, particularly in comparison with Western countries. But the impact of that spending can be hard to discern; on a recent 12-day visit to India, not many rupees appeared to have been lavished on Mumbai’s glorious Victoria Terminus, also known as Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, since it was constructed in the 1880s. Parts of Mumbai’s recently built financial district — Bandra Kurla Complex — already look aged, perhaps because of cheap construction or poor maintenance or both. It’s hardly a serious competitor to Shanghai’s shiny Pudong.

China has 16 subway systems to India’s 5. As China builds a superhighway to Tibet, Indian drivers battle potholed roads that they share with every manner of vehicle and live animal. India’s electrical grid is still largely government controlled, which helped contribute to a disastrous blackout last summer that affected more than 600 million people.

Yet Morgan Stanley stands resolutely behind its 2010 prediction that India will be growing faster than China by the middle of this decade.

It isn’t going to happen, India’s better demographics notwithstanding.

For one thing, many of India’s youths are unskilled and work as peddlers or not at all. For another, despite all the reforms instituted by India since its move away from socialism in 1991, much more would have to change. Corruption, inefficiency, restrictive trade practices and labor laws have to be addressed.

Democratic it may be, but India’s ability to govern is compromised by suffocating bureaucracy, regular arm-wrestling with states over prerogatives like taxation and deeply embedded property rights that make implementing China-scale development projects impossible. Unable to modernize its horribly congested cities, India’s population has remained more rural than China’s, further depressing growth.

“China” and “corruption” may be almost synonymous to many, but India was ranked even worse in corruption in Transparency International’s annual Corruption Perceptions Index. At its best, the Indian justice system — a British legacy — grinds exceptionally slowly.

To be sure, summary executions don’t occur in India, and its legal system is more transparent and rule-based than China’s. But a recent visit coincided with the tragic gang rape of a young Indian woman that led to her death; the government’s ham-handed initial response was to ban protesters from assembling and impound vans with tinted windows like the one in which she was abducted.

India’s rigid social structure limits intergenerational economic mobility and fosters acceptance of vast wealth disparities. In Mumbai, where more than half the population lives in slums often devoid of electricity or running water, Mukesh Ambani spent a reported $1 billion to construct a 27-story home in a residential neighborhood.

Don’t get me wrong — I am hardly advocating totalitarian government. But we need to recognize that success for developing countries is about more than free elections.

While India may not have the same “eye on the prize” so evident in China, it should finish a respectable second in the developing world sweepstakes. It just won’t beat China.
India Is Losing The Race - NYTimes.com
 
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India to inch closer to China in growth rate: World Bank
WASHINGTON: India's growth is expected to inch closer to that of China in near future, a top World Bank economist said here on Tuesday.

The World Bank had yesterday released its latest issue of Global Economic Prospects 2013, in which the economies of developing countries like India, China and Brazil are projected to be recovering and higher growth rate.

The World Bank expects that by 2015, the growth rate of China would be 7.9 per cent and that of India 7 per cent, World Bank Chief Economist Kaushik Basu told reporters during a conference call.

He added that the gap between the two Asian giants closes.

"We do expect India to inch closer to China and for a very, very good reason--not an analysis of what's happened over the last one year or two years, but a bit of a sweep of history," he said.

While the growth of the world economy growth is projected to inch up from 2.3 per cent in 2012 to 2.4 per cent in 2013, with the high-income countries remaining at the same level of growth of 1.3 per cent in both 2012 and 2013, it is the emerging markets like India, China and Brazil that would show significant signs of recovery.

"Growth in Brazil had gone down quite sharply in 2012 of 0.9. We at the World Bank are expecting Brazil to make a recovery to 3.

4 per cent in 2013. We are expecting recovery in the case of China from 7.9 per cent growth in 2012 to 8.4 per cent in 2013.

"We are expecting a recovery in India from 5.1 per cent growth in 2012 to 6.1 per cent growth in 2013," Basu said. (MORE) LKJ DKR
 
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Race was never on but Western Economist made up these stories for their own motives.

India is a democratic country which have it's own set of limitations as compared to China's authoritarian Single Party government. For eg. Coercion of masses can not be possible in democracies.Currently China is much ahead in terms of Export,investment ans social development but Yeah India is catching up and catching fast {Fast in terms of it's own path of development not to comparison with others}.
 
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There was really a race.

Chinese civilization is old, proud, and has its own ways to go.

indians don't have these things.

India also faces alot of challenges from the region itself. Wars with Pakistan, conflicts on Kashmir, terrorism etc...Until India makes peace with Pakistan, there is no future for India on the bigger scale...
 
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India Is Losing The Race
By STEVEN RATTNER
As recently as 2006, when I first visited India and China, the economic race was on, with heavy bets being placed on which one would win the developing world sweepstakes.

Many Westerners fervently hoped that a democratic country would triumph economically over an autocratic regime.

Now the contest is emphatically over. China has lunged into the 21st century, while India is still lurching toward it.

That’s evident not just in columns of dry statistics but in the rhythm and sensibility of each country. While China often seems to eradicate its past as it single-mindedly constructs its future, India nibbles more judiciously at its complex history.

Visits to crowded Indian urban centers unleash sensory assaults: colorful dress and lilting chatter provide a backdrop to every manner of commerce, from small shops to peddlers to beggars. That makes for engaging tourism, but not the fastest economic development. In contrast to China’s full-throated, monochromatic embrace of large-scale manufacturing, India more closely resembles a nation of shopkeepers.

To be sure, India has achieved enviable success in business services, like the glistening call centers in Bangalore and elsewhere. But in the global jousting for manufacturing jobs, India does not get its share.

Now, after years of rocketing growth, China’s gross domestic product per capita of $9,146 is more than twice India’s. And its economy grew by 7.7 percent in 2012, while India expanded at a (hardly shabby) 5.3 percent rate.
20rattner-ch-blog427.png

China’s investment rate of 48 percent of G.D.P. — a key metric for development — also exceeded India’s. At 36 percent, India’s number is robust, particularly in comparison with Western countries. But the impact of that spending can be hard to discern; on a recent 12-day visit to India, not many rupees appeared to have been lavished on Mumbai’s glorious Victoria Terminus, also known as Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, since it was constructed in the 1880s. Parts of Mumbai’s recently built financial district — Bandra Kurla Complex — already look aged, perhaps because of cheap construction or poor maintenance or both. It’s hardly a serious competitor to Shanghai’s shiny Pudong.

China has 16 subway systems to India’s 5. As China builds a superhighway to Tibet, Indian drivers battle potholed roads that they share with every manner of vehicle and live animal. India’s electrical grid is still largely government controlled, which helped contribute to a disastrous blackout last summer that affected more than 600 million people.

Yet Morgan Stanley stands resolutely behind its 2010 prediction that India will be growing faster than China by the middle of this decade.

It isn’t going to happen, India’s better demographics notwithstanding.

For one thing, many of India’s youths are unskilled and work as peddlers or not at all. For another, despite all the reforms instituted by India since its move away from socialism in 1991, much more would have to change. Corruption, inefficiency, restrictive trade practices and labor laws have to be addressed.

Democratic it may be, but India’s ability to govern is compromised by suffocating bureaucracy, regular arm-wrestling with states over prerogatives like taxation and deeply embedded property rights that make implementing China-scale development projects impossible. Unable to modernize its horribly congested cities, India’s population has remained more rural than China’s, further depressing growth.

“China” and “corruption” may be almost synonymous to many, but India was ranked even worse in corruption in Transparency International’s annual Corruption Perceptions Index. At its best, the Indian justice system — a British legacy — grinds exceptionally slowly.

To be sure, summary executions don’t occur in India, and its legal system is more transparent and rule-based than China’s. But a recent visit coincided with the tragic gang rape of a young Indian woman that led to her death; the government’s ham-handed initial response was to ban protesters from assembling and impound vans with tinted windows like the one in which she was abducted.

India’s rigid social structure limits intergenerational economic mobility and fosters acceptance of vast wealth disparities. In Mumbai, where more than half the population lives in slums often devoid of electricity or running water, Mukesh Ambani spent a reported $1 billion to construct a 27-story home in a residential neighborhood.

Don’t get me wrong — I am hardly advocating totalitarian government. But we need to recognize that success for developing countries is about more than free elections.

While India may not have the same “eye on the prize” so evident in China, it should finish a respectable second in the developing world sweepstakes. It just won’t beat China.
India Is Losing The Race - NYTimes.com

I thought being Pakistani...you would compare India with Pakistan.............

Loosing race to winner (China) is much better than losing race from to sub Sahara countries.......
 
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There was really a race.

Chinese civilization is old, proud, and has its own ways to go.

indians don't have these things.

India also faces alot of challenges from the region itself. Wars with Pakistan, conflicts on Kashmir, terrorism etc...Until India makes peace with Pakistan, there is no future for India on the bigger scale...

For all the self importance that Pakistanis attaches to themselves. In the larger picture Pakistan has nuisance value for India. We have grown and will grow in spite of Pakistan. Mark my words: India will not make peace with Pakistan, but Pakistan will have no option but to make peace with India on Indian terms.
 
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I thought being Pakistani...you would compare India with Pakistan.............

Loosing race to winner (China) is much better than losing race from to sub Sahara countries.......

Feel free to register ur compliant with the Author... don't shoot the messenger :)
 
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There was really a race.

Chinese civilization is old, proud, and has its own ways to go.

indians don't have these things.

India also faces alot of challenges from the region itself. Wars with Pakistan, conflicts on Kashmir, terrorism etc...Until India makes peace with Pakistan, there is no future for India on the bigger scale...

abe apna jhandaa lagane me tujhe sharam aati hai kya
 
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There was really a race.

Chinese civilization is old, proud, and has its own ways to go.

indians don't have these things.

India also faces alot of challenges from the region itself. Wars with Pakistan, conflicts on Kashmir, terrorism etc...Until India makes peace with Pakistan, there is no future for India on the bigger scale...

apparently you need to read some books about Indian civilization,it is among some of the oldest in the World.Not that it matters much when it comes to growth and development.The diversity and population of India is one of the problems that hinders growth,while issues like Kashmir dont. Unlike countries like Iraq or Pakistan,India is not entirely engulfed by terrorist activities,and since we have very less trade relations with Pakistan I dont think not having a good relation will affect growth in any significant way,so far as the Indian economy is concerned.
There has been a recent slowdown in Indian growth,mainly due to the International factors like EU crisis.But then the worst seems to be already over as Indian market has recovered a lot in the past few months and the near future seems quite stable.
 
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I dono there was ever a race as suggested....... Both country is trying to run their own races probably on parallel tracks...... Both have their own target and means to achieve it.....It is obvious that china is altogether in different league...... I am sure indian priorities are not to win a race but solve its problems....
 
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@ OP...

too early to decide.. we are not giving away any prizes for "Who did best till 2012..".It has been a year of crisis for everybody,for us,for EU,for China... Development is a process and it is not stopping here.
 
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