India Is About To Finalise The Blueprint Of The INS Vishal, India’s 65,000 Tonne Nuclear Powered

[Abingdonboy]

how much time Indian shipyard take to make this carrier.

Speculation but I think it would be 6-7 years at least.

My configuration for vishal.

Nuclear powered, Ew suite like vickey (You cant't see it untill it is visible from nakade eyes), Hypersonic Brahmos with 1000 KM range, ExSAm with 300 KM range to intercept any plane, Laser to shoot down any missile in 100 KM. EM catapult.

Carriers don't carry AShMs and long range SAMs, that is for their escorts to take care of. CIWS are sufficent for the carrier itself, it has one job and one job only- to operate aircraft, all other roles can be taken care of by other ships.

 

[Penguin]

. But it is felt nuclear propulsion will make better sense for greater operational endurance. For instance, the maximum range of India’s 44,500-tonne carrier INS Vikramaditya is around 7,000 nautical miles. Whereas, the range of an American Nimitz-class supercarrier – the US has 10 of them, all over 100,000 tonnes – is unlimited and it can operate for over 20 years without refueling due to nuclear propulsion. .

The maximum range of Vikramaditya is 7000 nmi? At what sustained speed?

13,500 nautical miles (25,000 km) at 18 knots (33 km/h)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Gorshkov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Kiev
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Minsk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Novorossiysk

Besides, that is just the maximum UNREFUELLED range. However, as with aircraft in the air, ships at sea can refuel while on the way. That's why navies have replenishment oilers (AORs) and fleet tankers (AO) and the like.

While it is true that a CVN does not need to refuel, that doesn't mean it can go without the resupply (think aviation fuel, ordnance, aircraft spare parts, water, food). It does mean that a CVN - since it doesn't have to store fuel oil - can allocate more space to aviation fuel, ordnance, spares, water and food. Nevertheless, it remains dependent on resupply ships.

For this the USN has 15 T-AO (Kaiser class fleet oilers), 3 T-AOE (Supply class fast combat support ships), 12 T-AKR (Lewis & Clark class dry cargo and ammunition ships) active in Military Sealift Command (and 1 T-AE and 2 T-AKR inactive).

Speculation but I think it would be 6-7 years at least.


Carriers don't carry AShMs and long range SAMs, that is for their escorts to take care of. CIWS are sufficent for the carrier itself, it has one job and one job only- to operate aircraft, all other roles can be taken care of by other ships.

Russian ones do, AShM at least: Kuz has 12 P-700 Granit (as Varyag and the large Ulyanovsk would have had). The Kievs, including Gorshkov had P-500 AShM. The first three Kievs also had 30-55km Sa-N-3 (in addition to closer in 12km Sa-8 OSa SAMs or Sa-9 Tor/Khinzal and 8km Sa-19 on Kashtan ciws), which in those days were considered long range.

 

[Kim Philby]

Can Andaman Nicobar ports handle any carrier?

 

[sudhir007]

Speculation but I think it would be 6-7 years at least.

10-12yr Vikrant take and u think only 6-7yr (remember to build frigate and destroyer weight 7-8k will take 7-8yr)for Super Carrier 65-70k aleast 15yr to build as many technology new for us.

 

[Nimitam]

Can Andaman Nicobar ports handle any carrier?

Theoretically yes, but practically no.

It is far more practical to berth in the main land and have ready supply and logistics to replenish the carrier.

 

[#hydra#]

My configuration for vishal.

Nuclear powered, Ew suite like vickey (You cant't see it untill it is visible from nakade eyes), Hypersonic Brahmos with 1000 KM range, ExSAm with 300 KM range to intercept any plane, Laser to shoot down any missile in 100 KM. EM catapult.

Top of icing as capability to land on mars.

 

[Penguin]

Theoretically yes, but practically no.

It is far more practical to berth in the main land and have ready supply and logistics to replenish the carrier.

INS Jarawa is a naval base under the joint-services Andaman and Nicobar Command located in Port Blair in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands. It was commissioned in 1964.

INS Utkrosh is an adjacent naval air station. INHS Dhanvantari is a naval hospital on the base. A Floating Dock Navy (FDN-1) of nearly 40,000 tonnes is also operated to dock a large number of vessels under the A&N Command. A second, smaller floating dock (FDN-2) was also ordered in 2010.

History
After the 1962 Sino-Indian War, the Navy was tasked with the defence of the Andaman & Nicobar Islands. Preparations for setting up naval establishments on the islands started in November 1962. In mid 1963, the first naval garrison of 5 officers and 156 sailors arrived in Port Blair. After the Seaward class defense boats were deployed to the islands, a maintenance and repair facility was created to support these small craft. INS Jarawa was then commissioned in 1964 as the base to oversee all naval operations on the islands. The base is named for the indigenous adivasi Jarawa tribe of the Andaman islands.

INS Magar (1949), an amphibious warfare ship, was the first major vessel to have INS Jarawa as its home port. Construction of a naval wharf for the base started in 1968. Comprehensive ship repair facilities were commissioned at the base in 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Jarawa

INS Utkrosh (IATA: N/A, ICAO: VOPB), is an Indian naval air station under the joint-services Andaman and Nicobar Command of the Indian Armed Forces. It is located near naval base INS Jarawa, on Port Blair in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands.

On 11 May 1985, the air station was formally commissioned as INS Utkrosh by then Defence Minister of India, P. V. Narasimha Rao, making it the first naval air station in Andaman & Nicobar Islands. Its location makes it an important strategic station for protecting India's maritime interests in the Bay of Bengal. It also serves as an important facility for undertaking humanitarian operations, such as disaster relief and evacuation of medical emergencies from the remote islands.

The facilities at INS Utkrosh have been significantly upgraded. The runway has been lengthened to almost 11,000 feet (3,400 m). Except for the civilian terminal operated by the Airports Authority of India, all other air traffic operations over Port Blair are undertaken by INS Utkrosh. The geography makes this a difficult airfield for aircraft, as a hillock at one end means that planes can land or take off only in one direction. Winds change here every six months, so pilots have to either take off or land with strong tail winds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Utkrosh

Assets
As of May 2015, there are 20 surface warships of the navy based at INS Jarawa, Port Blair under the A&N Command, up from 15 ships in 2014 and 13 ships in 2011. Naval vessels include Trinkat-class patrol vessel, Mk.3 LCU vessels, Polnochny-C/D class amphibious warfare vessels and the SDB Mk.3 large patrol craft. The port bases amphibious platforms, offshore patrol vessels (OPV) and fast attack crafts (FAC). Since 2013, two Saryu-class patrol vessels have been home-ported at Port Blair. The command provides logistical and administrative support to naval ships which are sent on deployment to East Asia and the Pacific Ocean. On 6 April 2016 INS Karmuk, a missile Corvette ship was re-based to Port Blair from eastern naval command.

For amphibious warfare, the command has a large Landing Ship Tank (LST) that can carry about 220 fully armed troops along with six trucks, 10 main battle tanks and 12 infantry combat vehicles for long duration. For short duration, an 800-men battalion could also be carried. The vessel also has a medium LST, apart from several Landing Craft Utility (LCU) with capacity to carry and beach 35 armed troops. The 108 Infantry Brigade of the Indian Army, comprising three battalions, which includes the 21 Bihar, is deployed to the A&N Command.

Dornier Do 228 maritime patrol craft and Mi 8 helicopters,operating from airfields at Port Blair, Car Nicobar, Campbell Bay and Diglipur maintain surveillance over the sea areas and approaches. The Andaman & Nicobar region of the Indian Coast Guard also falls under the purview of the command. In July 2012, the navy commissioned INS Baaz, a naval air station which is located 300 nautical miles south of Port Blair and is the southernmost air station of the Indian Armed Forces.

Modernization
In 2013, the navy proposed to station a nuclear submarine and a landing deck platform at the islands in the future, and the Indian Air Force has decided to station Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters on the islands along with increasing the number of operational airfields. The army's single brigade is planned to be increased by deploying a division size force(about 15,000 troops) under the command. In 2015, it was reported that under the overall "island development plan", which includes a new naval air station at Campbell Bay, the existing runways at Campbell Bay and Shibpur are to be extended, while more airstrips are proposed in the archipelago and more operational turn-around bases. The number of naval vessels based in the island chain will increase to 32 before 2022. In addition, Japanese war bunkers, constructed during Japanese occupation of the Andaman and Nicobar islands during the World War II, will be revived to bolster security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_and_Nicobar_Command

LPD could mean INS Jalashwa (16,600 tonnes full load) or the future Multi-role support Vessel , which will be 20 to 30 thousend ton ships (i.e. Mistral, Juan Carlos 1 like LHD ships)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Navy_Multi-Role_Support_Vessel_programme

You might not homeport a carrier here, but the facilities seem quite adequate to handle a carrier if it is conducting sustained operations in the region. It can certainly service a carrier escort group and associated replenishment vessels.

 

[Penguin]

Port Blair, Andaman Islands

I see 2 frigates and an LPD here and a long enough quay for a carrier (INS Jalashwa is 174m versus 284m for INS Vikramaditya, or about 60% of the length of the carrier. Draught is 6-7m versus 10-11m )

In the past INS Viraat has made calls to Port Blair.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8737536

Japanese-built FDN1, which was designed by Indian Institute of Technology, is the only floating dock of Navy and has a lifting capacity of 11,500 tonnes.
"FDN-1 can dock all ships except aircraft carrier and oil tankers of Indian Navy," the official said.
FDN-1 was integrated in 2001 with the Naval Ship Repair Yard ( Port Blair), the only repair yard at Andaman and Nicobar Islands

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-09-29/news/27608734_1_indian-navy-dock-refit

Apparently, FDN-1 is the only (or one of a very few) such docks in this part of the world
https://defence.pk/threads/indian-navy-news-discussions.30327/page-59#post-1166826
http://tarmak007.blogspot.nl/2010/09/navy-gears-up-to-add-another-floating.html

 

[Penguin]

Port Blair runway, with what may be a P-8 on the tarmac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veer_Savarkar_International_Airport

P-8I aircraft's maiden landing at Andaman naval air base
http://articles.economictimes.india...ews/41167876_1_p-8i-aircraft-air-base-andaman
http://navaltoday.com/2013/08/12/boeing-p8i-makes-maiden-landing-at-ins-utkrosh-india/
http://www.spsnavalforces.com/exclu...ith-P%968I-performance-on-first-op-deployment

Here's the Indian Navy P-8I crew at INS Utkrosh with CINCAN Air Marshal PK Roy.
http://twicsy.com/i/nqE24d

Indian Ocean: India Deploys New Sub-Killer Planes to Counter Chinese Subs

Two Poseidon 8I aircraft have recently been dispatched to the strategically-located Andaman and Nicobar archipelago.
January 19, 2016
In addition, the India has also deployed drones at the island. “Navy and IAF [Indian Air Force] are also deploying their (Israeli) Searcher-II unmanned aerial vehicles to the islands on a temporary basis,” the defense official said.
The Indian Navy explains in a press release that the P-8I aircraft “is equipped for long range anti-submarine warfare, anti -surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance in support of broad area, maritime and littoral operations.” The aircraft is armed with Harpoon Block-II missiles, MK-54 lightweight torpedoes, rockets, and Mark 82depth charges.

The P-8I aircraft are also equipped with a Telephonics APS-143 OceanEye aft radar and a magnetic anomaly detector, and are data-linked with Indian submarines patrolling the Indian Ocean, to which they can pass on the location of enemy vessels in the event of a conflict.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/indi...ew-sub-killer-planes-to-counter-chinese-subs/
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/india-steps-maritime-surveillance/

 

[Nimitam]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Jarawa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Utkrosh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_and_Nicobar_Command

LPD could mean INS Jalashwa (16,600 tonnes full load) or the future Multi-role support Vessel , which will be 20 to 30 thousend ton ships (i.e. Mistral, Juan Carlos 1 like LHD ships)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Navy_Multi-Role_Support_Vessel_programme

You might not homeport a carrier here, but the facilities seem quite adequate to handle a carrier if it is conducting sustained operations in the region. It can certainly service a carrier escort group and associated replenishment vessels.

Which is why I said it is theoretically possible but not practical.

 

[Penguin]

P-8Is can operate from Port Blair (naval air station INS Utkrosh) to keep tabs on the entire
region," said the source. But while this is a much needed operational requirement, India's first and only theatre
command in the shape of Andaman & Nicobar Command (ANC) continues o suffer from relative neglect
despite the Modi government making it a top priority . Much more needs to be done at a faster pace to ensure
ANC, with requisite military force-levels and infrastructure, can effectively act as a pivot to counter China's
strategic moves in OR as well as ensure security of sea lanes converging towards the Malacca Strait. Sources
said "not much progress" has been made in he overall plan to have enough infrastructure and maintenance
support with more airstrips and jetties in the 572-island cluster, extend ing over 720-km, to eventually deploy a
division-level force (around 15,000 troops), a fight er squadron and some major warships there. As of now amid
turf wars among Army Navy and IAF as well as fund crunches and environmenta concerns, ANC has just over
an infantry brigade (3,000 soldiers), 20 small warships and patrol vessels, and a few Mi-8 helicopters and
Dornier-228 patrol aircraft.

http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/npc/2016/january/19Jan2016.pdf

Which is why I said it is theoretically possible but not practical.

There is a difference between homeporting and deployment and support. INS Jalashwa is homeported in Visakhapatnam, but that doesn't mean it can't (and doesn't) operate from or receive support from Port Blair when her deployment takes her to that region. As the presence at Port Blair of INS Jalashwa and INS Viraat has demonstrated, it is not a theoretical possibility (which would be like: well, the harbor is deep enough, but nothing larger than 15k tons has ever docked there). I'm very confident that in a time of (emerging) crisis, these facilities will be used in support of carrier operations.

 

[Penguin]

The Indian Air Force's latest acquisition C-17 Globemaster-III in Port Blair after making its maiden flight to Andaman & Nicobar Islands on June 30, 2013.

http://netindian.in/taxonomy/pictures?page=1

First landing of the C130J Super Hercules at Car Nicobar Airbase in Andaman and Nicobar Islands. (2012)

http://activedefence.blogspot.nl/2012_07_01_archive.html

https://defence.pk/threads/us-navy-port-visit-andaman-and-nicobar-islands.56013/

Port Blair, May 14 [2015]: The Eastern Fleet Ships of the Indian Navy which are on a day’s visit reached Port Blair on 14 May. Flag Officer Eastern Fleet Rear Admiral Ajendra Bahadur Singh, VSM is onboard INS Satpura. The other visiting ships included INS Shyadri, the newly commissioned Anti Submarine Warfare INS Kamorta, Russian origin Destroyers INS Ranvir and INS Ranvijay, missile corvette INS Khukri and the Tanker INS Shakti. The Flag Officer called on Vice Admiral P K Chatterjee, PVSM, AVSM, NM Commander in Chief Andaman & Nicobar Command at his office and discussed matters relating to strategy and security. The Eastern Fleet ships will undertake routine exercises in Andaman Sea and thereafter proceed for overseas deployment to Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia, Thailand and Australia.

http://www.andamansheekha.com/2015/05/14/eastern-fleet-ships-visit-port-blair/

 

[nang2]

Indians are truly ambitious. Certainly far more ambitious than Chinese. Chinese have few interest in nuclear aircraft carrier until Chinese want to project power to other oceans. The next couple of Chinese ACs to be built are very likely to be conventional.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Indians are truly ambitious. Certainly far more ambitious than Chinese. Chinese have few interest in nuclear aircraft carrier until Chinese want to project power to other oceans. The next couple of Chinese ACs to be built are very likely to be conventional.

No its about technology . Chinese call Destroyers , India called those Frigates. It take Chinese much time to learn to build AC and much more time required to understand operational complexities of AC. Whereas India already knew and operate since long.

 

[guest11]

Indians are truly ambitious. Certainly far more ambitious than Chinese. Chinese have few interest in nuclear aircraft carrier until Chinese want to project power to other oceans. The next couple of Chinese ACs to be built are very likely to be conventional.

It has more to do with economics and sub systems than ambitions. Oil prices will soar once again if not today then tomorrow. A reactor will also provide enough power to the EMALS which India wants to buy and US wants to sell.