India, Iran discuss undersea gas pipeline bypassing Pakistan

[HRK]

Unfortunately for that map:

So I am going to have to go with:

Submarine Cable Map

since they take their map info on that map from:

Global Bandwidth Research Service is the world’s most comprehensive and authoritative source of data and analysis for long-haul networks and the undersea cable market.

But who really knows where the exact cable runs? The ocean is a large deep mysterious place.

Even going by your map ...

compare it with the map you have yourself edited ....

 

[Nilgiri]

Even going by your map ...

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compare it with the map you have yourself edited ....

Yah but there are other submarine cables that are going near the gwadar area that obviously do not make landfall in pakistan....that seem to be going to india in another way:

Bay of Bengal Gateway (BBG)

I don't think we will have an exact map anywhere of the exact locations....just like you mentioned earlier. So no one can really say for sure.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Iran-India offshore gas pipeline will have to be built outside of the Pakistan's continental shelf. Iran just announced that they don't have enough gas to export to Turkey. So this gas pipeline may only be exporting air. Good luck !!

 

[HRK]

Yah but there are other submarine cables that are going near the gwadar area that obviously do not make landfall in pakistan....that seem to be going to india in another way:

Bay of Bengal Gateway (BBG)

I don't think we will have an exact map anywhere of the exact locations....just like you mentioned earlier. So no one can really say for sure.

The consortium which laid cables must have arranged approval from relevant authorities ....

 

[Nilgiri]

The consortium which laid cables must have arranged approval from relevant authorities ....

OK I finally re-stumbled across one paper that explains things quite clearly:

https://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/Beckman-Davenport-final.pdf

The continental regime in Part VI is also relevant as it governs the same geographical area of seabed as the EEZ regime.

Article 79 is the applicable provision governing submarine cables and pipelines. It recognizes that all States are entitled to lay submarine cables and pipelines on the seabed in accordance with this article and sets out the extent to which the coastal State can regulate such activities. Although UNCLOS covers submarine cables and pipelines in the same article, it makes clear distinctions on the rights of coastal States over pipelines and submarine cables. With regard to cables, the coastal State can only subject the laying or maintenance of cables to “reasonable measures” for the exploration of the continental shelf and the exploitation of its natural resources. With regard to pipelines, Article 79(2) provides that the coastal State may take reasonable measures for the exploration of the continental shelf and the exploitation of its natural resources as well as the prevention, reduction and control of pollution from pipelines. There are no similar provisions for cables. Further, UNCLOS also provides in article 79(3) that the delineation of the course for the laying of pipelines on the continental shelf (and in the EEZ) is subject to the consent of the coastal State but there is no equivalent requirement for cables. The difference is likely attributable to the fact that cables are relatively benign to the environment whereas pipelines can carry noxious substances.

 

[HRK]

OK I finally re-stumbled across one paper that explains things quite clearly:

https://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/Beckman-Davenport-final.pdf

The continental regime in Part VI is also relevant as it governs the same geographical area of seabed as the EEZ regime.

Article 79 is the applicable provision governing submarine cables and pipelines. It recognizes that all States are entitled to lay submarine cables and pipelines on the seabed in accordance with this article and sets out the extent to which the coastal State can regulate such activities. Although UNCLOS covers submarine cables and pipelines in the same article, it makes clear distinctions on the rights of coastal States over pipelines and submarine cables. With regard to cables, the coastal State can only subject the laying or maintenance of cables to “reasonable measures” for the exploration of the continental shelf and the exploitation of its natural resources. With regard to pipelines, Article 79(2) provides that the coastal State may take reasonable measures for the exploration of the continental shelf and the exploitation of its natural resources as well as the prevention, reduction and control of pollution from pipelines. There are no similar provisions for cables. Further, UNCLOS also provides in article 79(3) that the delineation of the course for the laying of pipelines on the continental shelf (and in the EEZ) is subject to the consent of the coastal State but there is no equivalent requirement for cables. The difference is likely attributable to the fact that cables are relatively benign to the environment whereas pipelines can carry noxious substances.

I have already stated that in previous thread:

Article 79
Submarine cables and pipelines on the continental shelf
3. The delineation of the course for the laying of such pipelines on the continental shelf is subject to the consent of the coastal State.

4. Nothing in this Part affects the right of the coastal State to establish conditions for cables or pipelines entering its territory or territorial sea, or its jurisdiction over cables and pipelines constructed or used in connection with the exploration of its continental shelf or exploitation of its resources or the operations of artificial islands, installations and structures under its jurisdiction.

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[Nilgiri]

I have already stated that in previous thread:

Hence my dejavu statement. I couldn't remember who exactly said what and where....but I do remember this conversation before.

 

[Osiris]

I have already stated that in previous thread:

You guys are way complicating a simple law.

Read this is simple explanation of the UNCLOS article


Just read the following, it should clarify all your doubts, what a costal state, can and can not stop in its EEZ, with regards to EEZ.
It is from Hellsinki convention.

I don't expect any one else will have any doubts with regards to wether India- Iran can build a pipeline through Pakistani EEZ, after this.

 

[Nilgiri]

You guys are way complicating a simple law.

Read this is simple explanation of the UNCLOS article


Just read the following, it should clarify all your doubts, what a costal state, can and can not stop in its EEZ, with regards to EEZ.
It is from Hellsinki convention.


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I don't expect any one else will have any doubts with regards to wether India- Iran can build a pipeline through Pakistani EEZ, after this.

It doesn't look water tight to me ...words such as :subject to its right to take reasonable measures for exploration and pollution control....plus consent for delineation. It just sounds like a long protracted court battle to me when India could probably just reroute around the EEZ and get the project done in the time it takes for a court case to be done.

 

[HRK]

You guys are way complicating a simple law.

Read this is simple explanation of the UNCLOS article


Just read the following, it should clarify all your doubts, what a costal state, can and can not stop in its EEZ, with regards to EEZ.
It is from Hellsinki convention.


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I don't expect any one else will have any doubts with regards to wether India- Iran can build a pipeline through Pakistani EEZ, after this.

Laws are just clear as crystal its just some fan boys who are twisting these clauses on the bases of selective quoting ignoring what is written in it .... reread your own quotation .... with open eye this time ... enough said no further reply on this subject ....

regards,

 

[Osiris]

Laws are just clear as crystal its just some fan boys who are twisting these clauses on the bases of selective quoting ignoring what is written in it .... reread your own quotation .... with open eye this time ... enough said no further reply on this subject ....

regards,

Having worked in this industry for past decade, I am familiar with its laws as well as specific case studies. Since I have quoted this particular thesis, I have obviously read it and understood it.

And I maintain, India and Iran absolutely have a right to lay pipe line through Pakistani EEZ and continental shelf. As International law allows it.

It doesn't look water tight to me ...words such as :subject to its right to take reasonable measures for exploration and pollution control....plus consent for delineation. It just sounds like a long protracted court battle to me when India could probably just reroute around the EEZ and get the project done in the time it takes for a court case to be done.

Thats besides the point. They can, if they want to.
Law allows India to build the pipeline through EEZ . As many nations are doing it.
Delineation of the pipeline route is host country's prerogative.

 

[wiseone2]

Lol, take it easy bro, they are discussing it for 15 years or maybe more then this, and we dont know how much more they going to discuss it.

2nd thing is our eastern neighbour have 2 main traits, 1. whining 2. boosting.


This thread is related to 2nd, stay here for few days u will find indian whining that why Pakistan does not allow her tranist just do little digging u may find few examples in forum.


as for bypassing, if iran want we have no objection. just dont come in our waters.

Why does this have to do with bringing Pakistan down ?? Pakistanis have this middleman mentality - they have to be at the center of every transaction

 

[Cyberian]

Same amount of year as sparco will reach moon.

SUPARCO doesn't have any moon plans. But if it did, it certainly wouldn't take as long as inducting the LCA Flying Rickshaw into the Indian Air Force.