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INDIA INCREASINGLY WARY OF RISING RUSSIA-PAKISTAN TIES

We are well aware of Iran recruiting Shias from Pakistan to fight their war in Syria and we are aware of KSA using Deobandi/Salafis from Pakistan to fight their proxy wars against Assad regime.
So far state has no role in supporting a side in Syrian mayhem.

True but at the end of the day

1) Pakistan is a Sunni majority state

2) Pakistan relations with Saudis & Turkey are much closer than with Iran or Russia i.e. Pakistan would choose Saudis over Iran and Turkey over Russia when it matters

3) RS would be leading the Saudi coalition army


Gen Raheel Sharif to be Army Chief of Islamic Military Alliance
By Web Desk -
November 29, 2016

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s former Army Chief General Raheel Sharif has reportedly agreed to take the charge of Islamic Military Alliance to Fight Terrorism (IMAFT) on certain terms.

DailyPakistan reported on Tuesday via its sources that General Raheel Sharif, who gained popularity worldwide due to his strategic war skills against militancy that engulfed the country for years, has expressed his willingness to take the charge of intergovernmental military alliance IMAFT on the grounds that he be granted the position of an arbitrator between the belligerent groups in the Middle east rather than “abetting one single fighting group.”

In a big development, Iran has also assured to accept the general as a mediator in view of the circumstances in Yemen.

Daily Pakistan wrote, quoting its sources that Iran consulate in Pakistan has sent a letter to the General, assuring that it will not only cooperate with Pakistan in tranquillizing the chaos in Yemen but also bring the Houthi rebels on negotiating terms if he takes the command.

General Raheel Sharif expressed his willingness for the arbitration during his meeting with Saudi king Sulaiman bin Abdul Aziz, while the Turkey has also been informed about the plan, sources confirmed.

The proposal was first presented to General Raheel Sharif by Saudi Arabia and then similar requests were made by Iran to Pakistan’s foreign ministry as well. However, the General will only accept the offer if he is allowed to mediate between the warring groups.

Founded by Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud on December 15, 2015, the organisation is based at a joint command centre in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Its creation was first announced by Mohammad bin Salman Al-Saud, Saudi Arabia’s Miner of Defense, on December 15, 2015

The Islamic Military Alliance to Fight Terrorism (IMAFT) is an intergovernmental military alliance of countries in the Muslim world united around military intervention against ISIL and other counter-terrorist activities.When the coalition was announced there were 34 members; by March 2016 this had risen to 39.

The story originally appeared in DailyPakistan

https://www.thenewstribe.com/2016/11/29/gen-raheel-sharif-army-chief-islamic-military-alliance/

 
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Jesus is crying at the IQ level of Pakistanies.
1) Jesus did not speak English...
2) If you think Indians have a higher IQ then go and sleep over it...

Yes, ISI & Hafiz saeed are responsible.

Its a cos°
If you have some thing relevant to the thread then comment....otherwise it is wise not to speak.

THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING ALL THE ABOVE INCLUDING ISIS ARE NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY IN PAKISTAN BECAUSE PAKISTAN IS THE GREATEST MARTIAL NATION ON THE FACE OF EARTH.
You have to understand some things before you start to name Terrorists outfits.
1) Why are these created?

The reason why ISIS failed in Pakistan is entirely a separate issue. If you want to discuss that then make a new thread.

@waz Please clean this tread and ban those who are derailing this thread.
 
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If you incest we are the greatest martial arts country, so then YES... But you can't deny that you are the greatest toilet-less country on this earth.
 
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If you incest we are the greatest martial arts country, so then Yes.. But you can't deny that you are the greatest toilet-less country on this earth.
 
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Pakistan has always adopted the policy of plausible deniability with regards to non-state actors emanating from Pakistan.

Strategic silence of foreign intelligence agencies does not imply a clean chit to Pakistan.
Sir,
If you look at the history who has acknowledged non-state actors publicly.

USA did support Taliban against USSR but at the end they fought them after 9/11. Israeli used terrorist against British but later called them freedom fighters and got them to join IDF.

Nothing has changed only names and new faces and almost all the countries of the world are presently in some form or the other are engaged with such outfits, yet no one acknowledges publicly.
 
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True but at the end of the day

1) Pakistan is a Sunni majority state

2) Pakistan relations with Saudis & Turkey are much closer than with Iran or Russia i.e. Pakistan would choose Saudis over Iran and Turkey over Russia when it matters
I don't disagree with you on that and i can understand where you are coming from, however i am being optimistic after Pakistan turned down the offer to join in Yemen war.
Call it optimism but i think Pakistan doesn't want to become an active party in a fight between two countries.
 
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A lone individual from a nothing party who has no significance in Pakistan shares his opinion and India are fired up to share this with Russians? Tell me, does this man represent the governments stance? What about several Indian politicians in the BJP who have openly talked about destroying Pakistan isn't that an actual credible threat and an act of war?
 
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Asia
Is Pakistan aiding Syrian rebels?
Pakistan denies claims it is arming Syrian rebels at Saudi Arabia's behest. Experts, however, say Islamabad is not only providing military equipment to anti-Assad groups, it's also helping jihadists to go fight in Syria.




Pakistani and international media have reported about Pakistan-based Wahhabi militant groups, including al Qaeda and the Taliban, sending their members to Syria to fight against President Bashar Assad's forces. Some observers claim these fighters are also getting some kind of state support.

Despite the Pakistani government's categorical denial of any involvement in the Syrian conflict, the Islamic Republic's opposition parties, including the main opposition Pakistan People's Party (PPP) led by former President Asif Ali Zardari, have challenged Islamabad's claims. A number of political experts in Pakistan also disagree with the government's stance that it did not get itself involved in the violent Syrian conflict on Saudi Arabia's request.

"We strongly reject the media speculation that Pakistan has changed its position on Syria or is supplying arms to Syrian rebels directly or indirectly. These impressions are totally baseless and misleading," Sartaj Aziz, an advisor to Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on national security and foreign affairs, recently told the country's parliament.

The discussion about whether or not the Pakistani government armed the Syrian rebels commenced after the Saudi Crown Prince, Salman bin Abdulaziz, travelled to Pakistan last month.


Pakistan denies involvement

"I would like to clarify that during the Saudi Crown Prince's visit, the two sides only mentioned the need to enhance bilateral cooperation in the field of defense with an aim to have a mutually beneficial defense and security cooperation," said Aziz.

According to news agency AFP, which quoted a source close to Saudi decision-makers, Riyadh was interested in getting Pakistan-made shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles, known as Anza, and anti-tank rockets, to aid the rebels.

"The United States could allow their to allies provide the rebels with anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons following the failure of Geneva talks and the renewed tension with Russia," AFP quoted the head of the Gulf Research Centre, Abdel Aziz al-Sager.

Ghaffar Husain, a London-based researcher and counter-terrorism expert, told DW that Saudi-Pakistani alliance is decades-long, and that it is highly likely that Riyadh could have asked for Islamabad's assistance in turning the tide in Syria.

Claims 'not exaggerated'

Ali K. Chishti, a security expert in Karachi, told DW that Pakistan's assistance to Syrian rebels was of covert nature, and that it was obvious why Pakistan did not officially admit it. "I don't think that the claims that Pakistan is helping Syrian opposition are incorrect or exaggerated. Islamabad believes that since Iran is openly supporting the Assad regime, which is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people in his own country, it is justified to aid the rebels," said Chishti.

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Is Pakistan aiding Syrian rebels?
Pakistan denies claims it is arming Syrian rebels at Saudi Arabia's behest. Experts, however, say Islamabad is not only providing military equipment to anti-Assad groups, it's also helping jihadists to go fight in Syria.




Pakistani and international media have reported about Pakistan-based Wahhabi militant groups, including al Qaeda and the Taliban, sending their members to Syria to fight against President Bashar Assad's forces. Some observers claim these fighters are also getting some kind of state support.

Despite the Pakistani government's categorical denial of any involvement in the Syrian conflict, the Islamic Republic's opposition parties, including the main opposition Pakistan People's Party (PPP) led by former President Asif Ali Zardari, have challenged Islamabad's claims. A number of political experts in Pakistan also disagree with the government's stance that it did not get itself involved in the violent Syrian conflict on Saudi Arabia's request.

"We strongly reject the media speculation that Pakistan has changed its position on Syria or is supplying arms to Syrian rebels directly or indirectly. These impressions are totally baseless and misleading," Sartaj Aziz, an advisor to Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on national security and foreign affairs, recently told the country's parliament.

The discussion about whether or not the Pakistani government armed the Syrian rebels commenced after the Saudi Crown Prince, Salman bin Abdulaziz, travelled to Pakistan last month.


Pakistan denies involvement

"I would like to clarify that during the Saudi Crown Prince's visit, the two sides only mentioned the need to enhance bilateral cooperation in the field of defense with an aim to have a mutually beneficial defense and security cooperation," said Aziz.

According to news agency AFP, which quoted a source close to Saudi decision-makers, Riyadh was interested in getting Pakistan-made shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles, known as Anza, and anti-tank rockets, to aid the rebels.

"The United States could allow their to allies provide the rebels with anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons following the failure of Geneva talks and the renewed tension with Russia," AFP quoted the head of the Gulf Research Centre, Abdel Aziz al-Sager.

Ghaffar Husain, a London-based researcher and counter-terrorism expert, told DW that Saudi-Pakistani alliance is decades-long, and that it is highly likely that Riyadh could have asked for Islamabad's assistance in turning the tide in Syria.

Claims 'not exaggerated'

Ali K. Chishti, a security expert in Karachi, told DW that Pakistan's assistance to Syrian rebels was of covert nature, and that it was obvious why Pakistan did not officially admit it. "I don't think that the claims that Pakistan is helping Syrian opposition are incorrect or exaggerated. Islamabad believes that since Iran is openly supporting the Assad regime, which is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people in his own country, it is justified to aid the rebels," said Chishti.

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Hundreds of thousands of people in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi have participated in the country's biggest anti-Taliban rally, demanding the government take serious action against the Islamists. (24.02.2014)

The 'Wahabi Republic' of Pakistan
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Pakistani educationist and former BBC journalist, Nauman Naqvi, says there is no doubt whatsoever that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are on same page over the Syrian conflict.

"The Pakistani government can deny it, but everyone knows what is going on. Pakistan's respectable journalists have written about the matter," Naqvi told DW, adding that Pakistan had put its relations with Iran at stake in order to please Saudi Arabia. "Pakistan has been serving the Saudi interests in the Middle East and South Asia for a long time. Our relations with Tehran were different in the 1970s. They have been severely damaged since the last phase of the Cold War. The expert gave the example of Pakistan-based terrorist organization Jundullah, which Iran claimed to be a proxy group used by its enemies, to highlight the worsening Iranian-Pakistani ties.

Sharif's personal involvement

Some experts argue that the alleged Saudi-Pakistani deal on Syria was a result of Sharif's personal connections with the Saudi rulers. Earlier this month, Pakistan received a 1.5 billion USD loan from Riyadh, which Pakistani opposition parties claimed was a "gift' from Saudis to Sharif for his "services" to the kingdom.

Husain says Pakistan has "the expertise, weapons and fighters for the Syrian war, and Saudi Arabia has the cash that Pakistan desperately needs right now."

Naqvi, however, says that any other head of the government in Islamabad would have complied with the Saudi demands. "We must not forget that Sharif has no say in defense related matters. It is the Pakistani army which calls the shots. Former President Zardari would not have acted differently in this scenario."


Saudi Arabia wants to minimize Iranian influence in Syria, say experts

For Chishti, accepting the Saudi demands was a sensible decision: "Iran is openly supporting Assad whereas Saudi Arabia is aiding the rebels - both for their sectarian interests. Why would then the Pakistani state, which follows the Saudi Wahhabi Islamic ideology, side with the Shiite Tehran on this?"

Pakistani militants migrating to Syria

"A large number of foreign fighters are based in Pakistan's northern Waziristan area, which shares border with Afghanistan. Some of them are now migrating to Syria. The Pakistani Taliban have actually established a cell to monitor the Syrian situation. Al Qaeda's head, Aymen al-Zawahiri sent out a message to Pakistani militants to move to Syria," told Chishti, adding that Muslim al Shishani, a Chechen commander from North Waziristan, was one such Islamist who migrated to Syria on March 27.


Most Pakistani militant groups are pro-Saudi Arabia and anti-Iran

The expert, however, is not sure whether it's a good thing for the Pakistani state. "We need to see how certain non-state actors are being used in this conflict. It can be a double edged sword," he said.

For his part, Naqvi says there is "structural linkage" between the Pakistani military apparatus and the jihadists. "These militants have been doing what the army thinks is in Pakistan's geo-strategic interests," said Naqvi. The expert is of the view that Pakistan finds itself in a quagmire for not keeping itself non-aligned in regional and international conflicts and will ultimately have to pay a big price for its actions.

http://www.dw.com/en/is-pakistan-aiding-syrian-rebels/a-17528187



Sunni Side Up: Saudi Arabia Seeking To Acquire Arms From Pakistan To Supply Syrian Rebels
BY PALASH GHOSH @GOOCH700 ON 02/24/14 AT 1:56 PM

Saudi Arabia has entered into talks with Pakistan to purchase weapons that would be transferred to opposition forces in Syria to aid in their three-year battle to topple president Bashar al-Assad. Citing a Saudi source, Agence France Presse (AFP) reported that Riyadh is seeking to buy anti-aircraft and anti-tank rockets in an effort to help Syrian rebels equalize the firepower of Assad’s military. Pakistan manufactures shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles, called Anza, which are based on a Chinese model.

The unnamed Saudi source cited that Pakistan’s army chief of staff, General Raheel Sharif, met with Saudi Crown Prince Salman bin Abdul Aziz in Riyadh earlier this month. Last week, Salman himself led a large Saudi delegation to Pakistan, just after the kingdom’s top diplomat Prince Saud al-Faisal visited the South Asian state. The Saudi source also stated that Jordan has agreed to store the Pakistani weapons before they are transferred to neighboring Syria. Syrian rebels have long desired anti-aircraft rockets to protect themselves from Assad’s warplanes, which regularly bomb rebel-controlled territories.

The Saudis are likely taking the circuitous route with Pakistan since the U.S. adamantly opposes supplying such weapons to Syrian rebels over fears they would fall into the hands of Islamic extremists who are believed to be helping the anti-Assad forces. But AFP noted that Syrian opposition leaders suggest that the U.S. has recently softened its position on this topic in the wake of the failed Geneva peace talks. "The United States could allow their allies to provide the rebels with anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons following the failure of Geneva talks and the renewed tension with Russia,” said Abdel Aziz al-Sager of the Gulf Research Centre, a Persian Gulf-focused non-partisan think tank.

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Saudi Prince Salman Photo: Reuters
AFP noted that Saudi Arabia, which helps coordinate with Jordan to offer assistance to Syrian rebels in the southern part of the county (while Turkey and Qatar do the same in the north), has become the biggest foreign supporter of the anti-Assad factions. Indeed, Ahmad Jarba, the leader of the Syrian opposition, has strong links to the Saudis.

Dr. Dilshod Achilov, assistant professor of Political Science at East Tennessee State University and an expert on Middle Eastern affairs, explained that the Saudis are seeking wider support for the Syrian rebels from the Sunni Muslim world (Assad and his Iranian allies are Shia Muslims). “Pakistan is a large Sunni country with a sizable military industry,” he said. “Saudi Arabia views the Syrian war as a key conflict against the archenemy of Sunni Islam -- the Shia Islam spearheaded by Iran. Saudi Arabia may [also] be looking for broader Sunni support against the threat of rising Shia influence in the region. And Pakistan would be one of the natural allies to bring in.”

Dr. Hasan Askari Rizvi, an independent Pakistani political and defense analyst, wrote in an op-ed piece for the Express Tribune newspaper that Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif appears to be favoring Saudi Arabia (and other conservative Arab states like Bahrain and Kuwait) with respect to Middle Eastern policy. In fact, Pakistan has relinquished its earlier neutrality on the Syrian civil war by supporting Saudi demands for the removal of Assad from power. Rizvi suggests that Pakistan’s principal motivation for endorsing the Saudis lies more with financial needs than religion or politics. “Pakistan expects to get financial support in the form of loans, aid, investment, more jobs for Pakistanis, and supply of oil and gas on favorable terms from conservative but rich [Arab] kingdoms,” he wrote. “Furthermore, Nawaz Sharif and his family have special reverence for the House of Saud because it saved them from the clutches of [former Pakistani president Pervez] Musharraf’s military government in December 2000.”

Noting that Pakistan faces a “difficult economic situation” in 2014 and it is looking towards Saudi Arabia and other conservative Arab states for “economic support,” Islamabad should not become entangled in Mideast intrigues. “Pakistan must not be seen as partisan in intra-Arab conflicts,” he warned. “It should stay away from dynastic and regional rivalries in the Middle East.”

Achilov also commented that it’s not clear how involved Pakistani even wants to be in the Syrian quagmire. “In case Pakistan decides to extend military assistance [to the Saudis], it will be primarily driven by strategic calculations to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region, secure Saudi financial support , appease the Sunni majority inside [Pakistan], and influence the course of the conflict since Iran-dominated Syria would be unacceptable to Pakistan as well,” he said. “It is more likely that Pakistan may choose to support the Syrian armed rebels covertly in the first stage. It's unlikely that Pakistan will rush its arms openly, at least not immediately."

http://www.ibtimes.com/sunni-side-s...re-arms-pakistan-supply-syrian-rebels-1557572
Ab banda kia kahe inko. :hitwall: .PPP is already pro-Iran and holds an agression against KSA-may be because they are Shia or may be because KSA was pro-Zia.
Secondly, did somebody ask a single question while there were reports about India helping ISIS. And what if Pakistan got a chance to earn profit by selling weapons, why there is so much butthurt?:hitwall: If we wont, someone else will.
This isnt not important either reports are true or false, the important point is: all those security experts, BBC journalists, educationists or whatever hold- Ali, Hussain and Naqvi- in their surname. :agree:On one hand, they wont listen to Pak govt and on the other, they are trying to create Pakistan as a battle ground for proxiy wars b/w Iran and KSA. Infact they are trying their best to create sect. divide between Pakistani public for someone's interests. Inshort, Mullah loyalists have came out of their caves to support their true homeland, Iran.:agree:
 
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Russia has a financially lucrative relationship with India, much more than what Pakistan can currently offer. A handful of Mi-35 helicopters is not going to change the strategic balance in the region.

Yeah you are right, we need to acquire more Russian weapons with TOT :D
 
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Mr Tareq Fateh has only two possible options or maybe even one to make a living. Both of these reflect his mindset, his values and his self esteem. First he could potentially become a prostitute unfortunately he is so ugly that only clients he will get are maybe Indians. The other option is to take money from the Indians and spew hatred and propaganda against Pakistan. Obviously the Indians love him for that.
 
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I don't disagree with you on that and i can understand where you are coming from, however i am being optimistic after Pakistan turned down the offer to join in Yemen war.
Call it optimism but i think Pakistan doesn't want to become an active party in a fight between two countries.

Iran is providing Iranian citizenship to support the families of the fighters who fought and laid down their lives on behalf of her in Syria. Many of these are from Pakistan.

Historically Bhuttos have had close relations with both Iran & Syria.

After ZAB's execution the members of the Bhutto family were granted asylum in Syria.

With PPP out of power in Pakistan, it would be very difficult for Pakistan to maintain its relations with Iran & Syria.
 
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Iran is providing Iranian citizenship to support the families of the fighters who fought and laid down their lives on behalf of her in Syria. Many of these are from Pakistan.

Historically Bhuttos have had close relations with both Iran & Syria.

After ZAB's execution the members of the Bhutto family were granted asylum in Syria.

With PPP out of power in Pakistan, it would be very difficult for Pakistan to maintain its relations with Iran & Syria.

Iran and Syria is non-issue for us just like India.
 
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