India incapable of waging war on Pakistan, experts say

[Areesh]

My bad, its Hazi peer pass

Its Haji Peer Pass not Hazi Peer.

 

[Signalian]

[QUOTE="SrNair, post: 8711774, member: 150861"
So you are actually in a heartbreaking condition?
We want to feel and heal that pain .But you know some people never change their hatred .
So we are abstaining from it.[/QUOTE]
You can assume anything you want, like i said already, whatever helps you sleep at night. Talking about hatred from your own homeland, yeah some people can never change their hatred.

 

[Areesh]

Then count

1. Artillery fire over the PA Brigade HQ without crossing the border.

2. Capture Hazi Peer Pass, were max infiltration takes place, and put pressure on the PA and the chinese investments.

3. Scrapping Indus water agreement, according to which Pakistan gets 80% of the water and India 20% of water.

4. Global Isolation, and the movement and declaration of Pakistan a terrorist state, and called the allies to follow the same suite.

5. Removal of IMF status.

6. Attacking P0K and gilgit Baltistan, and claiming this is not attack, on any country, since those areas are only the disputed area, and give the example of the Turkey who attacked Syria for its own defence.

7. Pumping money to the Balluchistan and FATA, and provide them some IGLA (Russian version of Stinger) to make the life of PAF uneasy.

8. Ask Bangladesh to lodge the case in Hague against the PA for the attrocities and rapes.

9. Disband SAARC, and create another SAARC without Pakistan, and include Iran too.

10. Spread proxies and assymetric warfare in FATA, Sind, Balluchistan and P0K.

Even though this post is in response to @MilSpec But let me answer the points one by one from a Pakistani perspective.

1. Artillery fire over the PA Brigade HQ without crossing the border.

Possible. But then Pakistan can also burn down Indian Brigade HQs in IOK. PA has all the artillery it needs to do this. What benefit you would get from it? It is an option with high cost. This can also lead to more hostilities and escalation. Are you ready for it?

2. Capture Hazi Peer Pass, were max infiltration takes place, and put pressure on the PA and the chinese investments.

This would be considered as a full scale assault by Pakistan. You would need to launch a full scale attack with a lot of resources since Pakistan has very strong defense in this area. You captured this area in 65 but returned it in return of area that you lost in Akhnoor and Chamb sector. In 65 Pakistani defenses were weak. In 71 you tried again and failed because of strong Pakistani defenses. Remember Major Ramesh Baldani? The guy who died attacking Haji Pir in 71 along with many other Indian soldiers? It is not easy and again comes with a huge risk.

3. Scrapping Indus water agreement, according to which Pakistan gets 80% of the water and India 20% of water.

India can do this if it acts like a rogue state. But states don't just back off from agreements that they signed just like that. The agreement is brokered by WB and India simply cannot backoff from it. This again can result in start of military hostilities between the two countries.

4. Global Isolation, and the movement and declaration of Pakistan a terrorist state, and called the allies to follow the same suite.

You are trying this tactic for past many years. At least this is the strategy after mumbai attacks. This isolation thing isn't going to work much because countries won't cut their relations with Pakistan just because few Indian soldiers died in a disputed territory. So this strategy has its own limitations. Don't expect much from it.

5. Removal of IMF status

You can do this. Yes. Don't think it would hurt Pakistan much.

6. Attacking P0K and gilgit Baltistan, and claiming this is not attack, on any country, since those areas are only the disputed area, and give the example of the Turkey who attacked Syria for its own defence.

Nobody would buy this argument. Not even USA let alone Pakistan who would consider it as an open aggression against itself. Kargil was also in a disputed territory but Pakistan had to face diplomatic backlash and pressure for its action in it. This again has all chance of turning into a full scale war and comes with a huge risk and cost.

7. Pumping money to the Balluchistan and FATA, and provide them some IGLA (Russian version of Stinger) to make the life of PAF uneasy.

You are already doing the same in Balochistan and FATA with the help of Afghanistan. Did that stop Uri attack? Giving weapons IGLA etc would be a self goal and would result in more complexities for you. We can return the favor in IOK after all.

8. Ask Bangladesh to lodge the case in Hague against the PA for the attrocities and rapes.

Another futile attempt which in the end would prove to be a waste of time. Won't really hurt Pakistan. World is also not interested in this issue.

9. Disband SAARC, and create another SAARC without Pakistan, and include Iran too.

Sure go ahead. Won't hurt Pakistan much.

10. Spread proxies and assymetric warfare in FATA, Sind, Balluchistan and P0K.

It is the same point like point number 7. You are already doing this. Did it stop Uri attack? Think again.

 

[MilSpec]

I am in agreement from post 1, that India is incapable of any retaliation, I have maintained the same stance since I have been here on the forum. India is a helpless state only capable of grandstanding. Indians will keep getting butchered, for a few days new channels will make some noise, and in a few days everyone will go back to salman katrina gossip. Gutless administration will keep mum and armed forces will have to keep mum. there is nothing anyone can do.

Even though this post is in response to @MilSpec But let me answer the points one by one from a Pakistani perspective.



Possible. But then Pakistan can also burn down Indian Brigade HQs in IOK. PA has all the artillery it needs to do this. What benefit you would get from it? It is an option with high cost. This can also lead to more hostilities and escalation. Are you ready for it?




This would be considered as a full scale assault by Pakistan. You would need to launch a full scale attack with a lot of resources since Pakistan has very strong defense in this area. You captured this area in 65 but returned it in return of area that you lost in Akhnoor and Chamb sector. In 65 Pakistani defenses were weak. In 71 you tried again and failed because of strong Pakistani defenses. Remember Major Ramesh Baldani? The guy who died attacking Haji Pir in 71 along with many other Indian soldiers? It is not easy and again comes with a huge risk.



India can do this if it acts like a rogue state. But states don't just back off from agreements that they signed just like that. The agreement is brokered by WB and India simply cannot backoff from it. This again can result in start of military hostilities between the two countries.



You are trying this tactic for past many years. At least this is the strategy after mumbai attacks. This isolation thing isn't going to work much because countries won't cut their relations with Pakistan just because few Indian soldiers died in a disputed territory. So this strategy has its own limitations. Don't expect much from it.



You can do this. Yes. Don't think it would hurt Pakistan much.



Nobody would buy this argument. Not even USA let alone Pakistan who would consider it as an open aggression against itself. Kargil was also in a disputed territory but Pakistan had to face diplomatic backlash and pressure for its action in it. This again has all chance of turning into a full scale war and comes with a huge risk and cost.




You are already doing the same in Balochistan and FATA with the help of Afghanistan. Did that stop Uri attack? Giving weapons IGLA etc would be a self goal and would result in more complexities for you. We can return the favor in IOK after all.



Another futile attempt which in the end would prove to be a waste of time. Won't really hurt Pakistan. World is also not interested in this issue.



Sure go ahead. Won't hurt Pakistan much.



It is the same point like point number 7. You are already doing this. Did it stop Uri attack? Think again.

 

[Areesh]

I am in agreement from post 1, that India is incapable of any retaliation, I have maintained the same stance since I have been here on the forum. India is a helpless state only capable of grandstanding. Indians will keep getting butchered, for a few days new channels will make some noise, and in a few days everyone will go back to salman katrina gossip. Gutless administration will keep mum and armed forces will have to keep mum. there is nothing anyone can do.

It is not about guts or something. The fact is that this administration or administrations before had very limited options. Indians keep giving example of Israel without realizing that Pakistan is no Palestine or Syria or Egypt. Even Indira Gandhi today would had tough time deciding any aggressive action against Pakistan. Even her actions won't be much different than actions of Modi or MMS.

It is more about being practical than guts or balls.

 

[MilSpec]

It is not about guts or something. The fact is that this administration or administrations before had very limited options. Indians keep giving example of Israel without realizing that Pakistan is no Palestine or Syria or Egypt. Even Indira Gandhi today would had tough time deciding any aggressive action against Pakistan. Even her actions won't be much different than actions of Modi or MMS.

It is more about being practical than guts or balls.

Pakistani terrorist come into Mumbai and slaughter hundreds, India takes the practical action of printing dossiers.

That is what we are capable of.

 

[Areesh]

Pakistani terrorist come into Mumbai and slaughter hundreds, India takes the practical action of printing dossiers.

That is what we are capable of.

It is all because of the limitations of Indian state. We all have our limitations.

 

[MilSpec]

It is all because of the limitations of Indian state. We all have our limitations.

The limitation emanates from inability to take losses on the ground and to the economy. Lack of value of of the life of it's citizenry and illustrious history of institutional inaction.

 

[Areesh]

The limitation emanates from inability to take losses on the ground and to the economy. Lack of value of of the life of it's citizenry and illustrious history of institutional inaction.

Not necessary. When you have very options to act then you need to work within those limitations. Not every one is USA and even USA didn't go for direct confrontation against Soviet Union.

 

[friendly_troll96]

India already began the war, and Pakistan already begun to take the beat.This is an invisible war .Something that Pakistan cant ever win.Diplomatic war.

mera gaani wala
----

Country that cannot make a hat to fit its army chief threatens to eradicate Pakistan...

topi tuo topi jawan ki halat dekho

 

[Viper0011.]

India already began the war, and Pakistan already begun to take the beat.This is an invisible war .Something that Pakistan cant ever win.Diplomatic war.

Waking up soon Sr. Nair? You were speaking (or typing) in your good dreams

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Acha.

they've started coming up with new shit. Invisible war ka bacha

 

[MIR RAZA HUSSAIN]

their is famous saying in urdu SIANI BILLI KHAMBA NOCHY this their dyeing effort to start any war or get any reason to attack Pakistan and MARK MY WORDS THEIR PRIORITY TARGET WILL BE CPEC they just want to hit it at any cost because they can not digest the success of Pakistan.

gaydians ek bar ao to sahi khusbu laga k hum ny to darwaza khula chora ha

they are living in fools paradise thinking that to attack Pakistan is like having a walk in park

mera gaani wala
----

topi tuo topi jawan ki halat dekho

bro ap ko pata ha na is bechary ko dar k mary neend nai ati k kahen ISI ya Pak army na aa jaey

 

[Droolin On U]

India shouldn't do any kind of troop movement while UN session is going on. It would give a negative signal by India which is a good decision.

 

[TechScribe18]

Too much Indian blah blah!




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The meme you posted will apply if Pakistan were fighting us with its regular forces. Not when it sends across some non state actors and denies it sent them.

India doesn't have ballz to attack directly the cowards try to use hidden rats in Afghanistan to plot another terror attack. Pakistani flags in occupied Kashmir boiling their blood day and night.

I am not sure if India is behind those attacks coming into Pakistan from the Afghan border. If she is, it's a fair response to attacks like the ones on Pathankot and Uri.