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India in the Grip of Terrorism

this is the special treatment for muslims in india:tsk:


YouTube - Police beat Muslim on the streets of India

Why communalise the situation. Vigilante mob justice is common across South Asia where irate mobs thrash the living daylights of thieves, molesters etc.

I dont cordone violence and the policeman had clearly exceeded his authority for which he was suspended! However looking at the other way, I doubt very much that the luckless fellow would be in a hurry to steal another chain again
 
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Agreed, I have seen thieves being grabbed and repeatedly slapped by shopkeepers in Pakistan. They say it dissuades teenage thieves from committing the crime again. But to see what that policeman was doing, dragging him along the ground, tide to a bike, was absolutely disgraceful and I have not seen such a thing done by a policeman in Pakistan. Reminds me of one of those dacoit scenes from Indian movies. Who says cinema doesn't represent life?
 
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As Indian police crack down after bombings, mistrust grows
By Somini Sengupta

Friday, October 3, 2008
NEW DELHI: Even by the standards of this fractious and sprawling country, a victim of terrorism for at least 20 years, the spate of recent strikes has been unusual and unsettling: seven separate attacks in four months, with a death toll of about 150.

It has also prompted the law enforcement authorities to begin an aggressive manhunt that has gripped the nation and raised anew questions about India's police tactics, the place of its large Muslim minority and the effectiveness of its overburdened courts.

In the past several weeks, under intense popular pressure to show results, the police across India have made about two dozen arrests, killed a man they described as the "mastermind" of several recent blasts in a dramatic shootout in the capital and presented to the public a rare and swiftly assembled portrait of a spectacularly well-oiled, homegrown Islamist terrorism network.

The network, Indian Mujahedeen, was described by the police as having recruited disaffected Muslims from a rural north Indian district famous for exporting hit men for the Mumbai underworld. It trained them in southern jungles, the police said, and even lured in urban educated youths. Its members were inspired as much by Osama bin Laden as by specifically Indian Muslim grievances, particularly the anti-Muslim attacks in Gujarat in 2002, they said.

Those arrested have ranged from a scrap dealer to a preacher to several ambitious, accomplished college students, including one described by his family of having dreamed of joining the Indian civil service. Three of those arrested, and the suspect killed in the shootout, were students at the acclaimed Jamia Millia Islamia, a predominantly Muslim university in New Delhi.

But the official account of events has divided the nation, in part along religious lines, failed to withstand the scrutiny of newspapers and civil rights groups, and in turn revealed a general distrust of law enforcement.

More worryingly, it has uncovered a deep well of anger among India's Muslims, who complain bitterly of being wrongfully singled out every time bombs go off.


In addition to the Jamia students arrested, several others have been picked up for questioning and then released. The mood on the campus was "angry but quiet," Ali Hashmi, 21, a Jamia economics major, said last week.

The discrepancies in the police accounts have been most glaring, critics say, in the case of the Sept. 13 blasts in the capital, which killed 25 people and wounded several dozen in three shopping areas in three corners of the city, just as Hindus and Muslims went shopping in preparation for their biggest festivals of the year.

Six days later, the police announced the first breakthrough. They stormed a fourth-floor apartment in the Jamia university neighborhood and killed a 24-year-old college student, Atif Amin. They said he had planned at least three recent terrorist attacks, including one in eastern Varanasi as far back as March 2006.

The police also killed one of his suspected accomplices, arrested another and seized what they called incriminating evidence inside the apartment: two pistols, a laptop computer and a mobile phone, in which, they later said, they found photographs of the Delhi blast sites.

The city's joint commissioner of the police, Karnail Singh, said in an interview that the laptop contained "motivational" material from Al Qaeda, but offered no details.

One of New Delhi's most celebrated police officers, M.C. Sharma, who led the raid, was also killed in the shootout. The day after his death, the local papers reported that he had "a kill tally" of 75 suspected criminals, a measure of how suspects are routinely killed in encounters with the police before they can be brought to trial.

Within hours, the police arrested three Jamia students from the area. The police said that they confessed to having planted two of the five bombs on Sept. 13, and that two of them were also involved in a strike on Ahmedabad, a western city and site of the 2002 Hindu-Muslim clashes, two months ago
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Two suspects escaped the raid.

Within days, civil rights groups, and Muslims in particular, began to question the police account. How had two suspects escaped the raid, when the building and the streets below were crawling with officers and national guardsmen? Why had Sharma not worn a bulletproof vest on a raid seeking such a high-value terrorism suspect?

Also, it later turned out that one of those arrested, Saquib Nisar, a business school student, had been taking an exam on the day of the Ahmedabad blasts.


Six days after the Delhi arrests, in a dramatic news conference of their own, the police in Mumbai announced five additional arrests.

Their suspects, they maintained, were responsible for most of the terrorism strikes around the country since 2005, including the ones that the Delhi police had pinned on Amin.

Tehelka, a weekly newsmagazine, drew up a list of contradictory police narratives under the headline "Sleuths in Wonderland."

Then, on Monday, two small bombs went off in towns in western India. They appeared to target Muslim-dominated areas and together killed five people. The police said that they could not rule out the involvement of Hindu radical organizations.


Whether the police account of the Sept. 13 plot will hold up in trial is anybody's guess. Confessions to the police are not admissible in court, and the judiciary is so woefully overburdened that the case could take years to resolve; it took 15 years, for instance, to secure a verdict in the 1993 Mumbai serial blasts that killed more than 260.

But in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood of New Delhi called Shaheen Bagh, the boys on Nisar's street were seething with disbelief at everything the police announced.

Nisar, 25, the son of a test-tube salesman, seems to have been one of the neighborhood's best-known strivers. H.G.S. Dhaliwal, the city's deputy police commissioner, described him as a "chilled-out kind of guy" who was a strong academic performer and nursed big ambitions.

The 2002 anti-Muslim violence bred his rage, Dhaliwal said, and a friend from high school, Mohammed Shakeel, had lured him into the terrorist cell
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His brother, Shariq Nisar, 18, offered a different portrait, however. The elder Nisar had graduated with an economics degree from Jamia and was pursuing a master's in business administration from a private university.

He worked full time at an employment agency, exercised at a gym nearby and was determined to join the competitive Indian Administrative Service. Shariq Nisar said his brother had met Amin at college and because Amin was looking for a room to rent, referred him to another friend, Zia ur-Rahman, whose father managed the apartment.

Rahman and Shakeel are both under arrest. The apartment was the scene of the shootout.

Shariq Nisar said his brother had been framed.

"My brother was studying," he said. "Look what kind of dreams he had. Look what he got
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Hari Kumar contributed reporting.
 
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Agreed. Specialy with comment about Muslims in India. The Muslims in India had always been loyal to their country, the only problem is with the otherside of the nation. The problem is despite their loyalities to the country and nation, Muslims were never integrated and considerd as loyal Indians.

I am a young Muslim, studying in a regular college. I go to college along with Hindu students and christian students and other muslim students. I get equal opportunity on par with other hindu and christian students. After college, I am free to join the Army, Navy, or the air force, I can be a lawyer or an engineer or I can join politics and become the chief minister or even the president of India, just like any other student...I being in India do not feel any discrimination, how can you foreigners "feel" the discrimination??
 
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I am a young Muslim, studying in a regular college. I go to college along with Hindu students and christian students and other muslim students. I get equal opportunity on par with other hindu and christian students. After college, I am free to join the Army, Navy, or the air force, I can be a lawyer or an engineer or I can join politics and become the chief minister or even the president of India, just like any other student...I being in India do not feel any discrimination, how can you foreigners "feel" the discrimination??

ZaheerKhan
That is a classic textbook answer. Unfortunately it is not true for 99% of muslims in India today ! There is a lot of social , institutionalised racism and discrimination, muslims face on a daily basis. Other communities also face these problem, but muslims are at the bottom rung .
Try renting a house or looking for a job or even fraternising at colleges with non muslims !! I can guarantee that you ill very quickly change your opinion
 
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ZaheerKhan
That is a classic textbook answer. Unfortunately it is not true for 99% of muslims in India today ! There is a lot of social , institutionalised racism and discrimination, muslims face on a daily basis. Other communities also face these problem, but muslims are at the bottom rung .
Try renting a house or looking for a job or even fraternising at colleges with non muslims !! I can guarantee that you ill very quickly change your opinion
great now, i am also not a Hindu, i hadn't faced anything till now. So what now.
 
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A potentially dangerous mix of economic discontent, radicalism and religious bigotry theatens to derail the progress of more than one Billion individuals - Naxalities, Freedom movement in indian occupied kashmir, to terror acts born of percieved structural inequality, to the rise of Hindu chauvanism - more than one Billion individuals hopes rest on finding a way out of conflict and confrontation


Khaleej Times Online

A Growing Economic Divide in India
Rahul Sharma

5 October 2008
There is something terribly wrong with India. It seems to be collapsing under the weight of its huge economic divide, which it finds increasingly difficult to deal with as high growth rates propel a section of society towards prosperity yet bury another in poverty.

The recent killing of a chief executive officer of a large foreign company by irate workers near the national capital, New Delhi, has caused an outrage with a stunned corporate India saying it would seriously damage the country’s image among foreign investors who have been wooed with great difficulty
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The country’s Labour Minister Oscar Fernandes came under attack when he blamed the company’s management for the killing, saying “a simmering discontent” was probably the reason why workers involved in a labour dispute murdered the senior official. Fernandes probably did not put it in the right political context and had to apologise, but the fact remains that the economic divide in India is increasing and there is little that is being done to address it. It is there to see in the metropolises, smaller cities and even the smaller towns.

In the past few years India has boomed, overturning decades of slow growth largely because of pathetic policies adopted by successive governments. The growth has been fuelled by a resurgent private sector led by smart managers who pushed for changes despite government reluctance to open up the economy faster.

Increasingly, Indian companies have looked outside -— charting a new, previously unfathomable course that has seen them buy out big global brands for billions of dollars and becoming large multinationals. For a country where a substantial chunk of its nearly 1.3 billion people live in poverty, it’s been a remarkable achievement
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The prosperity — in parts — has come at a price. The economic growth has created a new aspirational class that wants to achieve its ambitions and goals of joining the rich at any cost. The young are challenging the old norms; the old are baulking at the changes that have shattered the social fabric woven over several centuries.

The battle between old and new, and rich and poor is increasingly examining all that many in the country took for granted for very long. And nowhere is it highlighted more than in corporate India, which is fighting to gain ground and make those big bucks it could not in the past.

Indian companies are hungry. They own some of the most visible global brands and are looking for more. There are more Indians in the Forbes list of world billionaires than ever before. In fact, India Inc. can only become bigger and better despite the convulsions in global financial markets because they have a huge captive domestic market and a hundreds of millions greedy for an improvement in their lifestyle.


The need to speed up the changes is, however, creating a new class of people in urban India — one that long lived on agriculture but sold out fertile land to industry and builders for big money. Now, after spending that money in its greed for a lavish lifestyle it finds itself staring again at poverty —- unable to find a livelihood after being beaten in the job market due to poor qualifications. Look around Delhi and you can begin to worry about the divide in the new glittering townships surrounding the national capital.

Gurgaon the so-called Millennium City and Noida where the chief executive of the Italian company was murdered are good examples of how fast economic growth can create permanent social divisions
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For a country where most still subsist on agriculture, land is religion. Take that away and you have people who will protest loudly. As they see multi-storied apartment complexes costing millions of dollars rise on what was not too long ago their farms and their cowsheds it is difficult for them to make peace with the present which has turned them from landowners to blue-collared factory workers.

Growth has to be inclusive. In India it is increasingly not. The millions of poor still remain at the bottom of the economic cycle, while others prosper around them at a rate that causes jealousy which often translates into violence. As India opens up, more want a share of its prosperity. In a democracy like India, which thrives on chaos and political commotion over even what would otherwise be silly matters, aspirations of a population left behind in the race cannot be overlooked.

A booming media has ensured that news of greed, violence and retaliation reaches everybody instantaneously. The reaction, often, is unexpected.

The need is to quickly take the benefits of a growing economy down to the lowest levels so that everybody can participate in the growth experiment.

Only then would incidents like the killing of a company’s CEO by workers stop.


Rahul Sharma is Editor of this newspaper. He will share random thoughts off and on. His email is rahul@khaleejtimes.com
 
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ZaheerKhan
That is a classic textbook answer. Unfortunately it is not true for 99% of muslims in India today ! There is a lot of social , institutionalised racism and discrimination, muslims face on a daily basis. Other communities also face these problem, but muslims are at the bottom rung .
Try renting a house or looking for a job or even fraternising at colleges with non muslims !! I can guarantee that you ill very quickly change your opinion

i think the figure 99% is blown out of context. i know for a fact that Muslims in India do face discrimination, but it is not as bad as many people, especially foriegners, feel.

I have lived in India for 10 years, and i visit there frequently. i never felt any religious tension between any hindus and muslims i know. i had many muslim friends when i went to school there, my parents had muslim friends, as do many of my other relatives, and none of them ever mention these muslim friends feeling any uneasiness.

also, if you look at the prejudice faced by muslims, you'll find that the victims of prejudice are usually the ultra-orthodox type, who dress in burkhas, or in long robes and grow beards to exceptionally large sizes. the kind of prejudice they face is more of the type generated from ignorance than from intolerance. some people feel that by dressing in this fashion those muslims want to be seperated from society, or that they are religious fanatics who hate other religions, and this type of feeling creates resentment. on the other hand muslims who integrate well in the society often dont complain about discrimination.

no nation is perfect. incidents like the demolition of the babri mosque and the Gujarat massacre highlight the religious tensions in india. but if you look at these incidents closely, you will see that they are carried out by a fanatical minority, and that majority of Indians neither support nor appreciate these events. we are a nation of over a billion people, with racial, religious and cultural diversity. it'll be a miracle if there are no such incidents. but the fact remains that even after all these incidents, the vast majority of indians get along well with each other and support the secular ideology.

Prejudice and persecution exist in every society in the world. there are always those who are ignorant and narrow-minded who enforce their beliefs on others. but as long as those people are a small minority, and the majority of the population do not adopt their views, it can be said that the nation is doing well.
 
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ZaheerKhan
That is a classic textbook answer. Unfortunately it is not true for 99% of muslims in India today ! There is a lot of social , institutionalised racism and discrimination, muslims face on a daily basis. Other communities also face these problem, but muslims are at the bottom rung .
Try renting a house or looking for a job or even fraternising at colleges with non muslims !! I can guarantee that you ill very quickly change your opinion

Vanguard bhai, there is indeed some problem. Though it is not on the scale that you mention. And it is not a one sided issue. All communities need to take steps to resolve the issues.

The comments by people like Imam Bukhari (like praising OBL or trying to denigrate the Police for their investigations or calling Shabana Azmi a prostitute) indeed create some adverse impact. When the Owaisi of Hyderabad openly makes statements to break traffic police's heads if they stop Muslims because of not wearing helmets, it also has it's impact. People associate them with the general Muslims attitude perhaps wrongly. One never hears any condemnation of these idiots from the common Muslims.

Why do people like these have followings among Muslims?

Too much is made of the renting issue. The reverse is true too. Hindus can't get houses in Muslims majority areas.

I have Muslims friends and I don't think the religion is even a factor in friendship. It is upto two individuals to be friends or not.
 
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