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Everyone are speaking about Hindu radicalism, Muslim radicalism but no one is speaking Christian radicalism...I will just tell you what I and my family experienced just today morning from a Christian doctor..

I took my mother for her regular eye check up after her cataract surgery the surgery was done one week ago and it was eventual that she will get her eyesight back...But after testing her eyes the doctor started praising Jesus, Jesus hallelujah..Jesus gave your mother her eye back.....But I said I would like to thank the doctor who operated on her eye and just left the hospital...

Well this is just an example of Christians becoming radical and trying to recruit the weaker and vulnerable people into their religion...

They should be ashamed of themselves....

How is that radicalism?
All religions do weird shit to recruit people, at least some don't beat people with bats and clubs to stop them from practicing their own.
That is radicalism.
 
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Seems you are very happy to see the ''future inevitable'' decline of Christianity...Actually religion wise Christianity is the predominant religion in S.Korea

Religion in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the census of the year 2005, 22.8% of the population identifies as Buddhist, 18.3% as Protestant and 10.9% as Roman Catholic, totaling a 29.2% Christian population. (So 70% are NOT Christian).

Also the future inevitable decline is just my personal view. I don't claim to know it for a fact. I could very well be wrong. I am just going by the trends I am seeing as societies become more "material/science - centric"....there are simply more avenues within the Dharmic fold to remain on its broad avenues compared to the singular narrows roads set by each of the Abrahamic faiths.

You are right about China and Japan ,though China has more ChristIans than many so called Christian European nations..

I'm talking about % values, not absolute numbers. India has more Christians than Portugal....but which one is the more "Christian" nation?

Also China and the Vatican have bad relations and China appoints its own Catholic Bishops I have heard...because China is wary about any religion controlled from the outside....do you know about this? Vatican instead has relations with Taiwan.

Don't say the peaceful nature of Buddhism..We all know how they are treating religious minorities in Burma and Laos..

Like I have said before human nature is very capable of circumventing a system....no matter how peaceful it is in essence. Practice is left to our interpretation and it is distorted many times by fanatics and extremists. This goes for any religion's/philosophy's practitioners. What I was comparing was the base essence of the systems and their inherent adaptability to the dynamism of Human society. One is rigid and snaps when the wind blows hard enough....the other is like a blade of grass and is essentially eternal.

That said I wish all the peaceful likeminded people of every religion/non-religion the best. What matters is the content of the character of people...not the name of the religion they follow if they have one at all.

If anyone seeks to practice peacefully and no harm to any human being comes from any practice....then as long as it is done to minimize angst and tension with other religions...there are no problems at all. The conversion mentality of some Christian groups and NGOs and the churches behind them must be destroyed for Christianity to have a guaranteed safe existence within the secular framework of India. Thats all I am saying. Live your lives peacefully and practice your religion within your community....and those that come to you by their own accord....explain your religion and they can convert if they are interested. But going out to undermine societies will bring reactionary bloodshed.

You do not have the wealthy doctrinated armies of Spain and Portugal anymore to have a free hand in this mentality. Drop it.
 
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If you don't see member here condemning this issue then blame lies squarely on minorities for crying wolf and blaming majority over fake cases. Unlike west, people here might follow different religions but they are indigenous to this land, hence burden to maintain secularism is not only on Hindus alone, it's our collective duty. It's about time minorities grow a pair and condemn the foreign funded soul harvesters. And if you are going to hide behind constitutional rights argument, then beef is banned according to article 48 of the same constitution.

So before secular brigade here breaks into a mass breast beating movement over minority persecution, look within and introspect.

just close your eyes and imagine the heaven you live in
everyone is laying and bringing fake cases..the whole world is after India
lynching of beef eater...a lie
attack on a paster .... a lie
rape incidents...a lie
 
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the whole world is after India

Yah they are already droning our border areas. And we are not responding like the cowards we are.

And they are plastering our country's name daily on the headlines as a terrorist epicenter and nuclear proliferator and they sent a special forces mission to kill one of the terrorists we were hosting just a few kilometers from IMA in Dehra Dun.

Yup whole world is definitely after us indeed.
 
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Yah they are already droning our border areas. And we are not responding like the cowards we are.

And they are plastering our country's name daily on the headlines as a terrorist epicenter and nuclear proliferator and they sent a special forces mission to kill one of the terrorists we were hosting just a few kilometers from IMA in Dehra Dun.

Yup whole world is definitely after us indeed.

so you are saying India is a heaven on earth
well well well
but these few people are trying to give India bad names, I mean few hundred million hindus on murder spree.
just makes my day reading the truth :)
 
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The pastor's activities must also be investigated to check if there is anything improper that instigated this violence from these Bozos.
It's like blaming the rape victim for provoking the rapist with short dress. That pastor should not be beaten like this even if he tried to preach his religion to others.Believing or not believing religion and to share it, is every person's fundamental right.If Indians are not like Taliban, ISIS than they should behave better.In recent times hindu fanatics are becoming as dangerous as the muslim fanatics.Which is unfortunate.
 
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but these few people are trying to give India bad names, I mean few hundred million hindus on murder spree.
just makes my day reading the truth

If a hundred million hindus went on a murder spree, there wouldn't be one muslim left alive now.

Don't distort the numbers by millions of times to suit your pathetic agenda.

And never did I say India is heaven on earth.....but we defend our national sovereignty, culprits such as these get arrested and the news gets published in the media.

It's like blaming the rape victim for provoking the rapist with short dress. That pastor should not be beaten like this even if he tried to preach his religion to others.Believing or not believing religion and to share it, is every person's fundamental right.If Indians are not like Taliban, ISIS than they should behave better.In recent times hindu fanatics are becoming as dangerous as the muslim fanatics.Which is unfortunate.

I am not saying the beating was deserved if he indulged in stoking religious tensions. Just that both sides of the story must be investigated properly. These culprits that beat him must be punished by the law after they get their due process in Court. But the pastor cannot be allowed to go scot free if he indulged in hate speech, religious mockery or something of that nature. Just because he has been assaulted doesnt mean he is automatically a model citizen.

Religious proselytizing is a slippery slope. I am not saying that preaching your religion is outright an immediate bad thing. It depends on the context and the method....and I have personally seen the worst of both and can vouch to the emotional depravity of a sizeable number of these pastors, bishops and church workers. They often attack Hindu religious icons, mock Hindu customs, use foul filthy language, target vulnerable sections of the population and use emotional tactics and create divisions in an attempt to increase the raw numbers of converts....no matter what the impact may be or who's sentiments may get hurt.

Passive proselytizing is fine...aggressive proselytizing is a grey area legally....because it again results to he says/she says + accusations of slander and lack of evidence. However morally the Church should know better than to turn a blind eye or even encourage these tactics (look at the twitter messages from such Church soul vultures after the Nepal Earthquake for example). The Hindus in many cases should know better too (like that disgusting mob that burnt that Australian pastor and his son alive in the 90s)....but it is certainly a two-way street that is causing all of this for the most part....and the most pragmatic step is to turn off the tap of aggro-conversion tactics and tension building by the Church. Communities will not forever keep yielding silently.

Your analogy with rape w.r.t provoking the rapist is flimsy....because its like saying the women must continually dress more and more scantily, go to a bad neighbourhood and check at what level/period of time a man will automatically rape her...when she knows better herself. She has a common minimum right that must be enforced (just like there is a minimum right for passive proselytism by any religion)...but you cannot be exceeding the levels of common sense and hope to get lucky each time...OR you are physically doing it on purpose so you can paint the entirety of the "others" as vile disgusting automatic criminals/sinners.
 
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Religion in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the census of the year 2005, 22.8% of the population identifies as Buddhist, 18.3% as Protestant and 10.9% as Roman Catholic, totaling a 29.2% Christian population. (So 70% are NOT Christian).

Also the future inevitable decline is just my personal view. I don't claim to know it for a fact. I could very well be wrong. I am just going by the trends I am seeing as societies become more "material/science - centric"....there are simply more avenues within the Dharmic fold to remain on its broad avenues compared to the singular narrows roads set by each of the Abrahamic faiths.



I'm talking about % values, not absolute numbers. India has more Christians than Portugal....but which one is the more "Christian" nation?

Also China and the Vatican have bad relations and China appoints its own Catholic Bishops I have heard...
I have said religion wice...Christianity is the major religion in Japan(not, if you consider atheism as a separate religion)....
yes,But percentage of Christian population in China is between 3-4%,which i guess some between 7-10 crore, i don't think its a feeble number...thats nearly combined population of Tamilnadu and Kerala states.
Not every Christian sects has connections with Vatican nor has any authority over world Christianity..Even in Kerala some 20-30% of Christians has no association with Vatican or Pope,eg-marthomate,orthodox,Jacobite,evangelical etc..
 
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If a hundred million hindus went on a murder spree, there wouldn't be one muslim left alive now.

Don't distort the numbers by millions of times to suit your pathetic agenda.

And never did I say India is heaven on earth.....but we defend our national sovereignty, culprits such as these get arrested and the news gets published in the media.



I am not saying the beating was deserved if he indulged in stoking religious tensions. Just that both sides of the story must be investigated properly. These culprits that beat him must be punished by the law after they get their due process in Court. But the pastor cannot be allowed to go scot free if he indulged in hate speech, religious mockery or something of that nature. Just because he has been assaulted doesnt mean he is automatically a model citizen.

Religious proselytizing is a slippery slope. I am not saying that preaching your religion is outright an immediate bad thing. It depends on the context and the method....and I have personally seen the worst of both and can vouch to the emotional depravity of a sizeable number of these pastors, bishops and church workers. They often attack Hindu religious icons, mock Hindu customs, use foul filthy language, target vulnerable sections of the population and use emotional tactics and create divisions in an attempt to increase the raw numbers of converts....no matter what the impact may be or who's sentiments may get hurt.

Passive proselytizing is fine...aggressive proselytizing is a grey area legally....because it again results to he says/she says + accusations of slander and lack of evidence. However morally the Church should know better than to turn a blind eye or even encourage these tactics (look at the twitter messages from such Church soul vultures after the Nepal Earthquake for example). The Hindus in many cases should know better too (like that disgusting mob that burnt that Australian pastor and his son alive in the 90s)....but it is certainly a two-way street that is causing all of this for the most part....and the most pragmatic step is to turn off the tap of aggro-conversion tactics and tension building by the Church. Communities will not forever keep yielding silently.

Your analogy with rape w.r.t provoking the rapist is flimsy....because its like saying the women must continually dress more and more scantily, go to a bad neighbourhood and check at what level/period of time a man will automatically rape her...when she knows better herself. She has a common minimum right that must be enforced (just like there is a minimum right for passive proselytism by any religion)...but you cannot be exceeding the levels of common sense and hope to get lucky each time...OR you are physically doing it on purpose so you can paint the entirety of the "others" as vile disgusting automatic criminals/sinners.
Most of the religious proselytizer try to convert people by highlighting the shortcoming in other religion and demonstrating the supposed superiority of his own.Do you think hindu proselytizer who are active in western countries don't highlight the supposed superiority of hindu religion and lifestyle over the western christian one?Unless a religious proselytizer engaged in compulsion or threat you can't say that they are breaching any law.You just ignore them.

If you think nobody can say anything against Hinduism or preach other religion to Hindus but Hindus are free to preach to others than I think you should re-examine your attitude.
 
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I have said religion wice...Christianity is the major religion in Japan(not, if you consider atheism as a separate religion)....
yes,But percentage of Christian population in China is between 3-4%,which i guess some between 7-10 crore, i don't think its a feeble number...thats nearly combined population of Tamilnadu and Kerala states.
Not every Christian sects has connections with Vatican nor has any authority over world Christianity..Even in Kerala some 20-30% of Christians has no association with Vatican or Pope,eg-marthomate,orthodox,Jacobite,evangelical etc..

Yah you mean Korea...ok I see what you mean from your perspective/definition. I go by overall population always.

Yes I know Vatican links are not mandatory....after all thats how Protestant groups formed since the Lutheran movements...and also the older non-pope related ones too that you mention. I was just pointing out that China as a nation has completely foregone any relations with the Vatican....i think its the only major country that has done that.
 
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These so called babas and ammas are cheats.. Thats sure.. But i compare them to other criminals and fraudsters in the society.. they want to make money and want fame.. But the only thing they do is they act like God and try to make the hindus their followers.. They are not interested in converting people to Hinduism.. But in this case the only intention of these people is to convert people from other religions to Christianity.. I won't even mind these babas or ammas or pastors stealing money from people by faking miracles.. But i can't agree to things like using national anthem to praise the Pope and the vatican..


there are Christian followers for Babas from west to east... no one is saints...
 
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Most of the religious proselytizer try to convert people by highlighting the shortcoming in other religion and demonstrating the supposed superiority of his own.

When it is done in a clean, civilised, open way ...in say a forum where a formal atmosphere of debate, introspection and civilised conduct can be maintained then I am all for it. The process should be standardized and made transparent....none of these soul-seeking covert and overt missions should be done especially in areas which have yet to see much economic development and education to begin with.

Do you think hindu proselytizer who are active in western countries don't highlight the supposed superiority of hindu religion and lifestyle over the western christian one?

They don't desecrate things like Jesus, the cross, ridicule holy communion especially transubstantiation or other practices and beliefs while they are explaining their perceived superiority of their belief system (whichever one it is among the myriad under the Hindu/Dharmic umbrella). If they do, they can also be brought to book over hate speech etc. I have no problem with that.

You will also find that Mainstream Hinduism does not believe in the concept of "conversion". You can keep your Christian doctrine and add elements of Hinduism in whichever way you feel be it Yoga, thought process, non-violence, meditation, various deity worship alongside Jesus...the concept of Dharm and oneness with Brahman...you name it....to whatever composition you want. Same goes for any other religion you may be born into. Thats why Buddhism was so powerful in its spread to Asia....it simply added to the existing beliefs. Hinduism essentially says all roads lead to the same destination...it does not matter which one you take....so no one needs to leave their old belief system and practices and replace them 1 to 1 with hindu equivalents (like Christians first did in Roman Empire and then replicated across worldwide during their expansionist age...and Islam likewise did as well).

So Hindu proselytizing is indeed a very different flavour from those of Abrahamic religions on a foundational basis in theory.

Of course in practice you may get people who simply mirror the tactics of the other religions because they themselves do not understand or appreciate what Hinduism stands for in their hearts. Humans are after all imperfect beings.

Unless a religious proselytizer engaged in compulsion or threat you can't say that they are breaching any law.You just ignore them.

Nope sorry. We cannot ignore if he indulges in hate speech of any sort towards entire groups. Why are Hindu people's emotions supposed to be held on a much higher idealistic level over local events ...than say Muslims destroying their own buildings and roads over some cartoons published in a different continent?

Humans beings are human beings and you must respect they come in all sorts of thought patterns, shapes and sizes...whatever their foundational system of belief may suggest. Thats why you cannot automatically assume its a continuous free pass to engage in hate speech and vile behaviour and expect no retaliation because of Ahimsa principles. After all in certain situations Dharm trumps Ahimsa as we see in the Mahabharat. Every Hindu knows this....it is akin to your concept of jihad in the purest form. So if the Pastors and church workers are indeed more educated like they say...then they should know where the line exists. I am not saying they all are like this either....just a certain number of them especially in poorer more backward areas of India.

If you think nobody can say anything against Hinduism or preach other religion to Hindus but Hindus are free to preach to others than I think you should re-examine your attitude.

Even Hinduism says many things against other streams of Hinduism. The mainstream religious component itself has evolved quite significantly over many years and many iterations. All I am saying is that there should be a proper amount of care and concern when engaging in aggressive proselytisation from Christianity and Islam....given the differing perception of what proselytisation should engage in between the two larger worlds (Dharmic and Abrahamic). Why do you think sufism was the more instrumental way for Islam to spread in subcontinent than forced/economic conversion?

Now Hinduism itself has reformed and adapted considerably.....so there are fewer and fewer regular passive avenues for say Christianity to use to seek more converts in India....thats why there is this despserate ongoing attempt by various members of their church to aggressively start attacking local faiths in very despicable ways to inflame tensions and get a few handfuls of converts to "save" and then have a martyrdom complex if they are harmed or killed because of their tension stoking. This process must be recognized and turned off by the Churches...especially the US-sponsored evangelical ones (which are the worst)...then only will the Christian churches be fully secure and safe ...and only isolated purely hate crime incidents (which happen worldwide to whatever percentage correlated with education levels) will happen now and then due to nature of human existence.
 
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I am a born Christian and I agree with you , I believe they shouldn't be beaten up by a mob but put behind the bars for 10yrs for cheating people.
I second that, I don't support mob justice. A person who is deceiving/cheating people must be put behind bars irrespective of religion.
 
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I am a Bengali catholic and I don't deny that evangelicals are like Christian talibans minus the beard and AK 47. It pains me a lot when hindus paint the whole Christian community with the same brush. An average Christian is just as poor or rich as any average hindu, facing the same issues, having pretty much the same cultural root. I invite my hindu brothers to visit any catholic church, we pray for our country and humanity, I haven't seen any kinds of conversion till date . I myself visit durga and kali temples and feel extremely blessed bowing down to the mother goddess. Please stop painting us as some kind of evil soul mafias who chase hindus with cross and Bible in hand.
 
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I am a Bengali catholic and I don't deny that evangelicals are like Christian talibans minus the beard and AK 47. It pains me a lot when hindus paint the whole Christian community with the same brush. An average Christian is just as poor or rich as any average hindu, facing the same issues, having pretty much the same cultural root. I invite my hindu brothers to visit any catholic church, we pray for our country and humanity, I haven't seen any kinds of conversion till date . I myself visit durga and kali temples and feel extremely blessed bowing down to the mother goddess. Please stop painting us as some kind of evil soul mafias who chase hindus with cross and Bible in hand.

I don't know if this was targetted towards me so here goes anyway:

I have been quite selective in saying its a certain number of pastors etc....not all of them...nowhere close. In fact I would say they are a small minority....though who knows the exact figures....it will depend who you ask and their personal bias of course.

Vast majority of Christians and Christian leaders I have absolutely no problem with. The last thing I seek to do is colour a whole minorty on actions of a few of them....and minorities should likewise not have this attitude towards the majority when some of them act in a bad way.
 
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