INDIA- HELICOPTER Competitions::News and Discussions

[faithfulguy]

I would like to see apache in Indian arsenal....its the best in its category....and its silent too.

It should be obvious, isn't it? to make the decision. What competition is out there? Who can provide the most kick backs?

 

[faithfulguy]

Plus, apaches are an Indian tribe. So its natural for a gun ship named after an Indian tribe to be in the service of India.

 

[IBRIS]

Plus, apaches are an Indian tribe.

Why are you even putting us in same club of Native Americans.???

So its natural for a gun ship named after an Indian tribe to be in the service of India.

stupidest Yes it is . ... thats the stupidest comment i ever heard!

You are suppose to be a senior member or was It was an inititation ritual Yep, and you saved two bucks 'cause you found your own needle in an alley! for the excruciating pain cult you just joined.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Plus, apaches are an Indian tribe. So its natural for a gun ship named after an Indian tribe to be in the service of India.

Please don't disrespect Apache Natives

 

[letsbefriends]

Plus, apaches are an Indian tribe. So its natural for a gun ship named after an Indian tribe to be in the service of India.

by that funda ur defence equipment should be named as
miao
yuezhi
wuhuan
xianbei
and the list goes on.. still u call ur tanks as t series and planes as j series..hypocrite

 

[jha]

US, Russia vie to sell choppers to IAF

Another “fight” is set to begin in the Indian defence sector in the next couple of weeks. On one side is India’s long standing defence partner Russia and on the other is its new-found strategic friend the USA, which is vying to further chip away at the largely Russian hold over the sector.

Within next three weeks, the Indian Air Force will commence field trials to select a heavy lift helicopter for its operations. The trials will be conducted in hot conditions of deserts and on Himalayan heights. US company Boeing with its “Chinook”, which operates for NATO forces in Afghanistan, will compete with Russian Mi-26 for the deal.

The IAF is looking to replace the ageing lot of the previous generation Mi-26 inducted in the mid 1980’s. Russia’s Rosoboronexport, the makers of the chopper, have offered the latest version.

A heavy lift chopper is of immense strategic value as it can lift up to 70 armed troops and even lift artillery guns like the ultra light howitzers which the Indian Army is buying for deployment in mountainous areas bordering China and Pakistan. Among its several other usages is the rapid deployment of missile launchers for Agni or Prithvi from one place to other.

Mi-26 with 20-tonne carrying capacity, which is the biggest among choppers, have even lifted Bofors guns to higher reaches, placed bulldozers at a height of 16,500 feet and landed critical equipment for the IAF at places like Ladakh.

US-made Chinook, which has contra-rotating twin-rotors to withstand rough weather, is being used extensively in Afghanistan to maintain steady supplies to the troops. It can also carry artillery guns slung under its belly to be dropped off at inaccessible locations. Both choppers have twin-engined operations.

The same US and Russian companies will also be in race for attack choppers the IAF is buying. Trials for them are slated to start in two months. The Boeing is offering its “AH 64D” Apache fighting machine, which is on duty in Afghanistan, while Russian Rosoboronexport has offered newer versions of its latest Mi 28 ‘Havoc’ helicopter, which was inducted by its armed forces in 2006.

The US “challenge” to the Russians is the new face of India’s evolving defence needs wherein it has ordered C-130 J medium transport aircraft from another US company, Lockheed Martin, delivery of which starts at the end of this year. This even as the IAF operates some 100 AN 32 medium transport planes of the Soviet-era which are presently undergoing phased refit at Ukraine.

C-17 Globemaster, a big transport aircraft, has been okayed by the US Congress for sale to India through the foreign military sales (FMS) route. India is looking to replace IL-76, another Russian origin plane. The cost may be hindrance, the US plane costs somewhere around $580 million a piece, while the Russian one is for one-tenth the price.

Separately, the IAF has already placed an order to buy 80 MI-17 “V5” series choppers to replace the existing lot of MI-17’s – another workhorse in the mountains.

Another contract for the long-range sea-based reconnaissance for the Indian Navy has been awarded to a US company, while the Russians are supplying the Airborne Early Warning Systems (AWACS) for the IAF.

The fight goes on. The US has bagged the contract to supply business jets for VVIP travel, while Italian chopper maker AgustaWestland had bagged the contract to provide 12 choppers for VVIP use.

US, Russia vie to sell choppers to IAF idrw.org

 

[jha]

Russia's defense corporation signs contract on helicopter supplies to India​

Russia's state-owned defense corporation Oboronprom and India's Vectra Group have signed a $30 million contract on the supply of four Ka-32 Helix helicopters, the Russian company's CEO Andrei Reus said on Monday.

"I signed a contract with the Indian company Vectra on the supply of four Russian Ka-32 helicopters," Reus said.

"Although this is only four aircraft, it is important that it is actually the opening of the Indian market for Russian helicopters," he said.

The Ka-32 can be employed as a transport aircraft, for ice patrol, fire fighting as well as search and rescue operations.

 

[RobbieS]

Please don't disrespect Apache Natives

3,000 posts and you cant help trolling can you?

 

[sancho]

One more reason that an US heavy lift helicopter will win?

Russia, China to design, build heavy-lift helicopter

Russia and China will cooperate in jointly developing and manufacturing a heavy-lift helicopter, a Russian deputy industry and trade minister said on Tuesday.

Denis Manturov said the new helicopter could be based on the Russian Mi-26 and that the two sides were currently discussing the new machine's specifications taking into account China's domestic needs.

"This machine will be oriented toward the Chinese market and the project will be commercial," he said.

The Mi-26 Halo, a heavy transport helicopter with civilian and military applications, is the largest and most powerful helicopter ever to have gone into production.

Manturov also said Russia and China would cooperate in manufacturing aircraft engines.

SHANGHAI, July 13 (RIA Novosti)

Russia, China to design, build heavy-lift helicopter | Defense | RIA Novosti

 

[Tshering22]

Guys, I think it'd be good if Russian helos win this deal. There're a lot of reasons for this:

1) MRCA satisfaction to Russians even if MiG-35 is not selected

2) We already have Russian infrastructure to handle all the new equipment which would obviously be more sophisticated with state of the art technologies from Russia.

3) Russian equipment is more hardy and rugged and since we'd be employing the helos in mountainous areas largely, this would be a plus point.

4) Cheaper purchase price for good technology.

5) Increased strategic trust between us and Russia.

6) Possibility of tech transfer in the near future.

When it comes to capability:

1) Mi-26 > Chinook and Sea Stallion in Heavy lifters

2) Mi-28 is also selected by Russian forces and therefore greater inter-operability in Gunships

3) Apache has a chance of future technological limitations by the USA while Eurocopter is extremely expensive. We aren't that rich yet. When we reach China's economic levels we can consider investing in riskier suppliers.

 

[sancho]

Guys, I think it'd be good if Russian helos win this deal. There're a lot of reasons for this:

1) MRCA satisfaction to Russians even if MiG-35 is not selected

2) We already have Russian infrastructure to handle all the new equipment which would obviously be more sophisticated with state of the art technologies from Russia.

3) Russian equipment is more hardy and rugged and since we'd be employing the helos in mountainous areas largely, this would be a plus point.

4) Cheaper purchase price for good technology.

5) Increased strategic trust between us and Russia.

6) Possibility of tech transfer in the near future.

Your points can't be denied, but you should keep in mind that these competitions are about small numbers, so the strategic aim behind it, is rather small, same goes for the chance of useful tech transfer.

That's why I would even argue the other way around, low numbers means less chance of dependance, or problems during sanctions. The US techs are also more specialised for SAR roles for example (special avionics, air refueling...), so could be used for more than just heavy lift only. These advantages would make the higher costs worth it to get a small, but more capable number of US helicopters.
Imo Apache and CH 53, depending on when we need the heavy lift helicopters, I would even try to lease some older Ch 53 as a stop gap and order new CH 53K by 2015.

The CH-53K Heavy Lift Replacement (HLR), previously known as the CH-53X Super Stallion, is the planned follow on to the Marine Corps CH-53E Heavy Lift Helicopter. The CH-53K will maintain virtually the same footprint as the CH-53E, but will nearly double the payload to 27,000 pounds over 110 nautical miles under “high/hot” ambient conditions. The CH-53K’s maximum gross weight will increase to 84,700 pounds versus 73,000 pounds for the CH-53E. One of the more appealing capabilities of the CH-53K will be its performance in mountainous areas in hot day conditions. The CH-53K is being designed to deliver 27,000 pounds out to a distance of 110 nautical miles, to an altitude of 3,000 feet at an ambient temperature of 91.5 degrees F. Additionally, the CH-53K will be capable of carrying a normal load of 32 combat loaded troops, with a maximum capacity of 48 troops...

CH-53K Super Stallion Heavy Lift Replacement (HLR)

3) Apache has a chance of future technological limitations by the USA while Eurocopter is extremely expensive. We aren't that rich yet. When we reach China's economic levels we can consider investing in riskier suppliers.

If you mean the Eurocopter Tiger, it is not in the competition anymore and is more comparable to LCH anyway (same light class).

 

[Iggy]

Please don't disrespect Apache Natives

First learn the history about how they get the name Indians

 

[Tshering22]

First learn the history about how they get the name Indians

Don't bother... if only he had more awareness....lol

 

[sudhir007]

So what is the payload capacity of Mi-26, CH-47 & CH-53K

 

[chachachoudhary]

So what is the payload capacity of Mi-26, CH-47 & CH-53K

I feel the choice will be made keeping in mind india's plans to have a dedicated expeditionary force.

MI-26---44,000 lb
CH-53K--35,000 lb
CH-47--30,000 lb