Why are you making false claims here ADMIN? Show me your sources and if credible, I will agree with you.
Yes I am questioning you - the admin, for you are not being fair! This is a Pakistani defence forum but that doesnt give you the right to make false claims. Its alright when you all insult India, which you all are tied to by an umbilical chord, and its not right when we Indians criticize Pakistan? Is that in anyway logical?
If you dont agree with what the world has come up with as evidence what will you guys believe? Your own media, which if I may has no credibility even in your own country?
Google the info, or search the forum - articles quoting various official sources in Pakistan making those allegations are a plenty. You could indeed contest the veracity of those Pakistani claims, just as we would any claims against Pakistan in Indian or other newspapers, but that is still different from what El Nino has done.
El Nino's comments were not based on any sources - it was a pure distortion of facts and numbers he pulled out of his as*, and the evidence for that is also on this forum an on the net. Go to the Gallup or Pew Research website and search on Pakistan - all of the polls showing Pakistani opinion to be decisively against terrorism are there.
Really Enough is Enough. Go on make all kinds of noises and we will slowly and surely squeeze you all out of existence. It may take years but ... Borders are drawn and wiped and then again redrawn. Old countries have always weathered any storms, its always the newer countries that come into being and then DISAPPEAR! The powerful Soviet Union collapsed, the mighty English Empire withered away, the imperialistic Japanese were humbled!! Nothings impossible.
History always repeats itself!
History can indeed repeat itself, and to that count, since we are making inflammatory statements here, a splintering of India is also possible. India's ability to 'squeeze' Pakistan has been seen. You cannot do anything on the military front except for bluster and spittle, and were you to some day obtain the cajones to take military action against Pakistan, it would get you nothing, and I am not even talking about the nukes here. India won't be able to do much even in a conventional conflict.
You can't squeeze us out of existence because we do not depend upon you for anything. Try cutting off the water and those dams will be crumbling and destroyed, and we won't need to militarily invade India for that either. You cannot win militarily, you cannot do anything economically, and you have lost diplomatically.
I would get off my high horse, and get the Indian leaders to apologize to Pakistan for all the arrogance and belligerence we have been subjected to since the Mumbai attacks, and then humbly share the evidence and quietly cooperate with Pakistan to bring the perpetrators to task.
Here's a good solution for a mess called Pakistan...
Hey all Indians and to the Indian govt:
1. Cut all ties with Pakistan, whatever they may be....cut people to people contact with Pakistanis, cut diplomatic and cultural ties with Pakistan. Dont give Visas to Pakistanis to visit India. Any Pakistani found in India should face deportation or persecution!
Pleas do so, we'll return the favor. Not like we have that much going in the way of ties anyway.
2. Fence the whole border with Pakistan....not a big problem, import Israeli tech to monitor this fence. Any violators should be killed, if they try to escape then they should be pursued till they are killed. If the world protests, then screw them, we should do what needs to be done to protect our borders.
I am shaking in my boots! A fence you say! Go ahead, however we'll try and actually return alive any Indians who unwittingly cross the border, since we are better than you.
3. Squeeze Pakistan diplomatically, and tell the world in clear terms, that they have to choose between either the Islamic Pakistan or India!! Lets see who the world chooses!
Yes, yes, you have been trying that already, but the world has seen your leaderships complete insanity and belligerence, and refusal to cooperate with Pakistan. The world has exonerated the GoP and her institutions, and it has paid no heed to India's demands for extradition, and quietly encouraged Pakistan to punish the perpetrators according to her laws on the basis of any evidence shared - which India has refused to do.
4. Increase co-operation with Afghanistan whose people are more friendly with Indians than Pakistanis, and divert more funding - as claimed by many Pakistanis here - to increase subversive activities in the parts of Pakistan where the RAW is so called active!
Well, per the sources mentioned by me above, India is already doing that. Not much has changed has it.
Push all these options and give a damn to what Pakistan then says.
You guys want to hate India, go ahead... we will definitely give you all a reason to do so.
On the contraray, there was a lot of sympathy for India after Mumbai, until the HATE from your side, spewed through the media and government officials, got the response it deserved from Pakistanis.
Ciao - good luck with your 'list', though I woudl recommend a different one, since this one is severely lacking as I pointed out.