India has legitimate interest in Afghanistan: Petraeus

[Jade]

this some Gov is almost equivalent to No GOv, socail Problems & poverty are there in every country but A-stan has got its own breed of *** tag militants which are out to implement their writ over the whole world motivated by Pan-Islamic attitude, they need to be eliminated

There is no denying the fact that Afghanistan is in trouble. Even than, the sacrosanctity of “non interference in internal affair” has to be protected. Outside interference increases chaos, as been proved in many cases. Help is welcome but no interference in internal affair.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

There is no denying the fact that Afghanistan is in trouble. Even than, the sacrosanctity of “non interference in internal affair” has to be protected. Outside interference increases chaos, as been proved in many cases. Help is welcome but no interference in internal affair.

Every country is interfering in A-stan for its interest, Period!

 

[chachachoudhary]

How India’s Helping

Committed $1.3 billion onvarious projects.
India has become fifth largest donor to a"nistan. Pakistan does not figure even in top 10

Built the 218-km Zelarang-Delaram highway to enable south-western Afghanistan to access the Iranian port of Chabahar.

Constructed the 220KV DC transmission line from Pul-e-Khumri to Kabul and a 220/110/20KV sub-station at Chimtala.

Built the Salma Dam power project (42 MW) in Herat province (to finish by 2011).

Constructing the Afghan parliament building (to be completed by 2011).

Helped expand the Afghan national TV network, provided uplink and downlink facilities over all of Afghanistan's 34 provinces.

84 small projects in areas of agriculture, rural development, education, health, vocational training and solar energy.

Gifted three Airbus aircraft along with essential spares to Ariana Afghan Airlines. Also,
400 buses, 200 mini-buses and 105 utility vehicles.

Indian engineers at A'nistan new parliament building.

 

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Logic? Its a reality, Afghan Gov has NO control over things, what power do they have to control & make policies which are based on their interest only, every one is trying to pull off a stunt for its interest in A-stan Including India & interests of India & Pak dont converge in A-stan

Pakistan must first take care of itself and then worry about taking care of Afghanistan. Your country is not Robin Hood. You were the ones who supported the Talibs and there are elements in Pakistan that continue to support the Talibs. The whole country is in a mess and it keeps getting worse every year. Some years ago random blasts were unheard of and now people dont even bother about the small blasts. If you really want to help Afghanistan, then let those who CAN help give it to them. You are simply gambling with the fate of Afghanistan for your own selfish interests. Just because you are positioned next to them does not make you the dictator of their fate.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Pakistan must first take care of itself and then worry about taking care of Afghanistan. Your country is not Robin Hood. You were the ones who supported the Talibs and there are elements in Pakistan that continue to support the Talibs. The whole country is in a mess and it keeps getting worse every year. Some years ago random blasts were unheard of and now people dont even bother about the small blasts. If you really want to help Afghanistan, then let those who CAN help give it to them. You are simply gambling with the fate of Afghanistan for your own selfish interests. Just because you are positioned next to them does not make you the dictator of their fate.

I m not saying that Pakistan is a super duper country but the logic 'see yourself' can be applied to Indians as well, certainly there are people in India which need this money more than people of A-stan, will it make sense? NO

Pakistan has all the right to do what it thinks is its interests, if Americans can come down from thousands of miles for their interests, why can;'t we have our own interests, don't even suggest that Indians have altruistic motives in A-stan, if Chinese interference in India's neighbor can make Indians scared then why can't we have our concerns, we have all the right to define our interests & pursue them, you are no one to dictate anything to us

 

[amitksingh2003]

I can't stop wondering how come people posting comments here with so much of authority as if they are driving the country's foreign policy.

Its a no brainer that ultimately its US who has to decide stakeholders in A-tan. Frankly speaking neither India nor Pakistan needs each other's approval, whether they like it or not. Both have their own interests in A-tan just like US and Russia. India wants stake in A-tan coz of business, strategic depth and to have a leverage over Pakistan in case they are doing anything in J&K. Becase of the same reasons Pakistand doesn't want India in A-tan. Now the million dollar question is what will be the outcome of this push other out game between India-Pak.
The answer lies in who can manage to have more leverage over US. Pakistand has some amount of leverage over US coz of WOT and coz of being one of the powers in South Asia, same way India has some amount of leverage over US coz of its economical ties, its positions viz a viz China and one of the major players in South Asia.
Now what is that US is going to do....they are wel known to speak something and do something else. They can't upset Pak as it will affect WOT, at the same time they can't upset India as it will affect their other foreign policies. What US doing is doing openly is for people to see. But whats happening behind closed doors and through back channel politics is one's guess.
Well, as a matter of fact, India is already not only present in A-tan but also actively involved in major construction activities. That could not have happend without US nod....my 2 cents

 

[Avatar]

I m not saying that Pakistan is a super duper country but the logic 'see yourself' can be applied to Indians as well, certainly there are people in India which need this money more than people of A-stan, will it make sense? NO

Pakistan has all the right to do what it thinks is its interests, if Americans can come down from thousands of miles for their interests, why can;'t we have our own interests, don't even suggest that Indians have altruistic motives in A-stan, if Chinese interference in India's neighbor can make Indians scared then why can't we have our concerns, we have all the right to define our interests & pursue them, you are no one to dictate anything to us

Read my last post again. We aren't dictating anything to you. We and the entire free world only wants you to leave us alone. Stop interfering with our business. Let the Afghans decide what's good for them. When the Chinese went to Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, we did not go there and stop them. We did not protest, we only showed concern. Both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh decide what's good for them. We don't force anything on them.

Yes, there are people in India who need the aid. However, we do allocate sufficient budget for those people as well. Corruption suffices everywhere. Afghanistan's situation is much worse than those people in India. These people in Afghanistan aren't sure if they will live another day ..The talibs kill for amusement and "buy" little children from orphanages.

US is in Afghanistan for it's own security. It is ridiculous to think that force like India will not play an important role in the region.

 

[Calculator]

I m not saying that Pakistan is a super duper country but the logic 'see yourself' can be applied to Indians as well, certainly there are people in India which need this money more than people of A-stan, will it make sense? NO

Pakistan has all the right to do what it thinks is its interests, if Americans can come down from thousands of miles for their interests, why can;'t we have our own interests, don't even suggest that Indians have altruistic motives in A-stan, if Chinese interference in India's neighbor can make Indians scared then why can't we have our concerns, we have all the right to define our interests & pursue them, you are no one to dictate anything to us

You are over anxious of India's growing power.
You are anxious about India's role in Afgh
India's poverty rate is declining faster than Chinese.As depicted by Goldman Sachs
Because of subtle policies of GOI

Our poor people are declining day by day, but you need to take care of yours.
India has money, power thats why it has invested in AFG.
PROOF!!!

During the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, India offered intelligence and other forms of support for the Coalition forces. After the overthrow of the Taliban, India established diplomatic relations with the newly-established democratic government, provided aid and participated in the reconstruction efforts.[3] India has provided USD 650-750 million in humanitarian and economic aid, making it the largest regional provider of aid for Afghanistan.

India has money to cure its people and even the Neighbouring countries!

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Read my last post again. We aren't dictating anything to you. We and the entire free world only wants you to leave us alone. Stop interfering with our business. Let the Afghans decide what's good for them. When the Chinese went to Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, we did not go there and stop them. We did not protest, we only showed concern. Both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh decide what's good for them. We don't force anything on them.

You simply cannot interfere in BD & SL, we all know about LTTE & Mukti Bahini history don't we?

but int his case Pakistan has leverage to interfere & pursue its interests, we cannot trust the so called altruistic motives of India, simple as that

Yes, there are people in India who need the aid. However, we do allocate sufficient budget for those people as well. Corruption suffices everywhere. Afghanistan's situation is much worse than those people in India. These people in Afghanistan aren't sure if they will live another day ..The talibs kill for amusement and "buy" little children from orphanages.

agreed

US is in Afghanistan for it's own security. It is ridiculous to think that force like India will not play an important role in the region.

They can play but tell me HOW exactly will India play a role in the elimination of Tailban & solution of the mess that is there ,politically...
they want to play a role & interfere where they simply don't have leverage, we all know about the recent Indian Desperation in case of A-stan

 

[RobbieS]

Well to be honest, India's position in Afghanistan is a bit precarious and dependent more on external factors than internal. Indian companies need land and sea access to fully utilize the economic opportunities there and the only two countries that could help our Pakistan and Iran (to an extent). India knows it will not get access to Karachi port due to Pak's apprehensions and US wont allow Iran's help. Pak has allowed land access to Indian goods, but only to an extent. The Afghan govt. hardly has any say in the matter. The only way out is improved relations with Pakistan, but with Pak's concerns about RAW, that doesnt seem like happening. Pretty complicated.

 

[chachachoudhary]

tell me HOW exactly will India play a role in the elimination of Tailban & solution of the mess that is there ,politically...
they want to play a role & interfere where they simply don't have leverage, we all know about the recent Indian Desperation in case of A-stan

Please remember, the start of war against taliban. India provided a huge military and logistic aid to Northern Alliance.

Gradually, we are building our sufficient interests in afghanistan. Soon, we will have our commercial and strategic interests there and once that happens india will have necessary mechanism to deal with Taliban.

We have never been cowards in Afghanistan, but rather cautious and tried convincing about our legitimate interests in Afghanistan to those who really mattered and you are seeing the result of that persuation in this statement by Mr. Petraeus.

Rapidly evolving situation may find india actively or rather proactively involved in afghanistan including large scale deployment of forces and creation of strategic bases.

To india, only thing that matters is how, when, and where Afghanistan wants us. Once that is let known to her, india can tame all the wild horses in no time.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Please remember, the start of war against taliban. India provided a huge military and logistic aid to Northern Alliance.

we all know how India has used NA for its interests & financied them all

Gradually, we are building our sufficient interests in afghanistan. Soon, we will have our commercial and strategic interests there and once that happens india will have necessary mechanism to deal with Taliban.

so India will control Tlaiban by building roads, Tailban are not a thing which can be controlled so easily, for the development work to succeed Tailban need to be eliminated militarly & thats where India has ZERO role & Pakistan uses its leverage over US to gets own interest pushed forward

We have never been cowards in Afghanistan, but rather cautious and tried convincing about our legitimate interests in Afghanistan to those who really mattered and you are seeing the result of that persuation in this statement by Mr. Petraeus.

Mr. Petraeus has to make every one happy, the situation for Americans is such that they have rifts among themselves & making anyone unhappy is not an option for them

Rapidly evolving situation may find india actively or rather proactively involved in afghanistan including large scale deployment of forces and creation of strategic bases.

The biggest Indian Delusion, do you have any idea what will happen if India got involved militarily? Let me tell you, Suicide bombers will reach India & Indian Soldiers in A-stan will not even get a decent burial on the ground on which Pakistan has been playing since last 30 years, what makes you think Indian Forces will live in peace in our backyard?

To india, only thing that matters is how, when, and where Afghanistan wants us.

If by A-stan you mean Afghan Gov then sorry, the ineffective Afghan Gov can do nothing by itself, it will do what Americans will tell 'em & Pakistan has better leverage

Once that is let known to her, india can tame all the wild horses in no time.

Absurd

 

[chachachoudhary]

we all know how India has used NA for its interests & financied them all



so India will control Tlaiban by building roads, Tailban are not a thing which can be controlled so easily for the development work to succeed Tailban need to be eliminated militarly & thats where India has ZERO rule & Pakistan uses its leverage over US to gets own interest pushed forward



Mr. Petraeus has to make every one happy, the situation for Americans is such that they have rifts among themselves & making anyone unhappy is not an option for them



The biggest Indian Delusion, do you have any idea what will happen if India got involved militarily? Let me tell you, Suicide bombers will reach India & Indian Soldiers in A-stan will not even get a decent burial on the ground on which Pakistan has been playing since last 30 years, what makes you think Indian Forces will live in peace in our backyard?



by A-stan you mean Afghan Gov then sorry, the ineffective Afghan Gov can do nothing by itself, it will do what Americans will tell 'em & Pakistan has better leverage



Absurd

I thought you wanted serious discussion, but you want to play merry go round. My mistake.

 

[Bang Galore]

The biggest Indian Delusion, do you have any idea what will happen if India got involved militarily? Let me tell you, Suicide bombers will reach India & Indian Soldiers in A-stan will not even get a decent burial on the ground on which Pakistan has been playing since last 30 years, what makes you think Indian Forces will live in peace in our backyard?


Absurd

Maybe, but not as big as the delusion that there are no consequences to continuous threatening behaviour. This seems an old tactic - threaten the deluge if you don't get your way. We have heard it all before and seen what madness results if Pakistan is left unchecked in Afghanistan. Pakistan has not needed the fig leaf of an Afghanistan excuse in the last 60 years to try & do their worst against India, don't be offended if we find these threats a bit lame. It is a case of " been there, done that".

 

[peacekeeper]

so India will control Tlaiban by building roads, Tailban are not a thing which can be controlled so easily, for the development work to succeed Tailban need to be eliminated militarly & thats where India has ZERO role & Pakistan uses its leverage over US to gets own interest pushed forward

Well India will not control taliban but atleast we are making some contribution to afghanistan for the help of afghan people to have some choices for them.
It is much more necessary for a country to have development. But pakistan jst want to use afghanistan And want to set its proxies there