India : Government set to revise women’s legal age for marriage to 21

[Osiris]

Hehe. So this is the reason!

@Chhatrapati you disingenuous fellow ....why didn't you just tell me this was another Muslim-specific ordinance?

Instead of empowering all women, Modi and his cultists will blindly try to bash Muslims with whatever blunt edged tool they can find, regardless of the collateral damage it may cause to all Indians. Bizarre frankly.

@Shantanu_Left

What is Muslim specific in it. If this new law comes in forces ..all Indian citizens(as Men can only marry after the age of 21) regardless of their religion, will only be able to marry at the age 21.
It will be amazing law ..if it comes to pass.
A gender neutral marriage age for every citizen of India.
Will lower infant mortality rate..lower the population growth rate

 

[Chhatrapati]

Let me make it very simple for you to understand. Raising the marriage age to promote education is great in a nation with 50:50 males to females or thereabouts. India has a shortage of females - not because of some governmental one-child policy, but because of female infanticide due to cultural selection pressure. This ruling will not stop that fundamental cultural problem.

Females will now get married later. Hence, the shortage of females around anyway will be made to wait longer to have children (of course, one "solution" that you're now bound to see is more kids outside of marriage - but let's not discuss that presently).

You're dwelling on something that has no proven correlations. On the contrary, this move will also improve the health of newborns and their mothers because she is not pregnant at an early age of 17 or 18. There are proven studies that show issues relating to teenage mothers and their children.

So, fewer females waiting longer to have kids means fewer kids AND more men being partnerless for longer. You think I'm joking? Look at China and how they're sensibly now rowing back on one-child policy, realising the stagnation caused by this.

India has a different underlying cause (cultural misogyny) but the net effect will be the same. Raising the marriage age will compound the problems caused by a male-biased population map.

You don't understand the issue at all, India is not enacting one Child policy or any similar policies we are ensuring more women have the opportunity to be self-sufficient, and mature enough to take decisions in their life for themselves. Any misogyny existing in society can't be erased by waving a magic wand. It requires policies like this. The rest of your argument is too stupid and irrelevant that it deserves any reply.

If you TRULY gave a rat's tail about female empowerment (funny you should blindly accuse me of misogyny without understanding the issue being discussed from a population point of view), you would advocate for improved cultural practice in India, along with better opportunity for young women and improved healthcare for girls. You still have "period huts" in your villages and girls get raped while going for a shitt - these problems will not be fixed by raising the marriage age.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

What is Muslim specific in it. If this new law comes in forces ..all Indian citizens(as Men can only marry after the age of 21) regardless of their religion, will only be able to marry at the age 21.
It will be amazing law ..if it comes to pass.
A gender neutral marriage age for every citizen of India.
Will lower infant mortality rate..lower the population growth rate

Another moronic reply. Do you hunt in pairs? @Chhatrapati

How on earth will this impact infant mortality in Hindustan?

Firstly, births outside of marriage have a higher infant mortality rate and maternal mortality rate than births within marriage. India has no chance whatsoever of policing all those villages and ensuring folks don't just shag as they please and make kids anyway, regardless of the legal marriage age. This ordinance will simply stigmatise those children.

Secondly, Cultural misogyny against females in India is the underlying factor that is unique to Hindustan. This ordinance will have zero impact on this cultural misogyny. Females in India will still be brutalised from the point they're conceived onwards.

All you have to do to fix your problems is educate your people on contraception, provide adequate opportunity for education and jobs and positively reinforce staying in school longer. As well as this, the cultural discrimination against females throughout their childhood needs to be eliminated. These are hard-fought gains that western nations strived towards for generations. Raising the marriage age in a third world country will not have the effect you seek, unless and until poverty is eliminated. This is clearly a vote-grabbing muslim-stigmatising load of rubbish.

It will however possibly lower the population growth rate (again assuming people don't just have kids out of wedlock...or do you intend on banning that also?) but for India, it is too soon to transform into an aging population setup like in Europe. Economically you aren't ready for this shift.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Hehe. So this is the reason!

@Chhatrapati you disingenuous fellow ....why didn't you just tell me this was another Muslim-specific ordinance?

I was wondering when you're going to play the Muslim card. The TFR of Hindu and Muslim women is 2.1 and 2.6 respectively with a declining trend. That is also without enacting any marriage laws but has a direct correlation to the improvement of primary and secondary education among women although cultural factors do influence it. See things outside religion next time.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Another moronic reply. Do you hunt in pairs? @Chhatrapati

haha did I hurt you that you tag me when replying to some other members?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

India is not enacting one Child policy or any similar policies we are ensuring more women have the opportunity to be self-sufficient, and mature enough to take decisions

I explained in my previous posts. India has something of the order of 108:100 males to females, which is a major skew. This is due to cultural misogyny, not one-child policy....but the net impact is similar. Raising the marriage age will not give females more empowerment. Empowering females is what will give females more empowerment.

If insufficient females are available for marriage and your country has a surplus of unmarried males, those males will now wait even longer to find partners. This degree of female spouse shortage will actually damage your population. When those women finally hit 21, do you honestly think the excess of men waiting to marry them will suddenly say "go pursue your career, we don't need kids"??

In fact, you'll end up with a whole load of college educated females who are married at 21 and churning out kids, instead of uneducated females churning out kids. You'll be wasting all those college graduates because of the underlying problem I keep explaining to you - MALE SURPLUS.

It's unique to India. It's funny that you think this ruling will result in emancipation for females. Then again, I don't actually believe you do think that - I personally believe you just wish to slap Muslims on their wrists for misbehaving and making lots of babies. Population jihadists.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I was wondering when you're going to play the Muslim card.

Can you even read? Your friend played the Muslim card, not me. Hindutva types just can't keep their hand hidden.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I explained in my previous posts. India has something of the order of 108:100 males to females, which is a major skew. This is due to cultural misogyny, not one-child policy....but the net impact is similar. Raising the marriage age will not give females more empowerment. Empowering females is what will give females more empowerment.

So, what do you suggest to empower women exactly? All you are doing is explaining problems, should the government reduce the age to 15? The key is education, and health not making more kids and wait for people to improve sex ratio.

In fact, you'll end up with a whole load of college educated females who are married at 21 and churning out kids, instead of uneducated females churning out kids. You'll be wasting all those college graduates because of the underlying problem I keep explaining to you - MALE SURPLUS.

What kind of argument is this?
What you are saying is, women educated or not educated, has the sole purpose of making kids and/or get married to a man so that there is adequate women for every man.

It's unique to India. It's funny that you think this ruling will result in emancipation for females. Then again, I don't actually believe you do think that - I personally believe you just wish to slap Muslims on their wrists for misbehaving and making lots of babies. Population jihadists.

What you have is a bunch of theories, and prejudices in connection with those theories.

Can you even read? Your friend played the Muslim card

I don't even read most of your bullshit, lest someone you are having shitposting with.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Let me make it very simple for you to understand. Raising the marriage age to promote education is great in a nation with 50:50 males to females or thereabouts. India has a shortage of females - not because of some governmental one-child policy, but because of female infanticide due to cultural selection pressure. This ruling will not stop that fundamental cultural problem.

Females will now get married later. Hence, the shortage of females around anyway will be made to wait longer to have children (of course, one "solution" that you're now bound to see is more kids outside of marriage - but let's not discuss that presently).

So, fewer females waiting longer to have kids means fewer kids AND more men being partnerless for longer. You think I'm joking? Look at China and how they're sensibly now rowing back on one-child policy, realising the stagnation caused by this.

India has a different underlying cause (cultural misogyny) but the net effect will be the same. Raising the marriage age will compound the problems caused by a male-biased population map.

If you TRULY gave a rat's tail about female empowerment (funny you should blindly accuse me of misogyny without understanding the issue being discussed from a population point of view), you would advocate for improved cultural practice in India, along with better opportunity for young women and improved healthcare for girls. You still have "period huts" in your villages and girls get raped while going for a shitt - these problems will not be fixed by raising the marriage age.

Again why do you care about an "Man" needs to have marriage as an issue for legal age for women? Its for protecting women rights. While men does outnumber females, it's the women folks who are in demand (in arranged marriages) and not the other way around.

In a pond with many fishes, a better educated women has an better chance at getting an better educated husband if she had the chance to resist pressure to go to college and have an degree. Your argument is really lame.

Though I support it in principle, 21 is way too much. Should be 19.

 

[Osiris]

Another moronic reply. Do you hunt in pairs? @Chhatrapati

How on earth will this impact infant mortality in Hindustan?

Firstly, births outside of marriage have a higher infant mortality rate and maternal mortality rate than births within marriage. India has no chance whatsoever of policing all those villages and ensuring folks don't just shag as they please and make kids anyway, regardless of the legal marriage age. This ordinance will simply stigmatise those children.

Secondly, Cultural misogyny against females in India is the underlying factor that is unique to Hindustan. This ordinance will have zero impact on this cultural misogyny. Females in India will still be brutalised from the point they're conceived onwards.

All you have to do to fix your problems is educate your people on contraception, provide adequate opportunity for education and jobs and positively reinforce staying in school longer. As well as this, the cultural discrimination against females throughout their childhood needs to be eliminated. These are hard-fought gains that western nations strived towards for generations. Raising the marriage age in a third world country will not have the effect you seek, unless and until poverty is eliminated. This is clearly a vote-grabbing muslim-stigmatising load of rubbish.

It will however possibly lower the population growth rate (again assuming people don't just have kids out of wedlock...or do you intend on banning that also?) but for India, it is too soon to transform into an aging population setup like in Europe. Economically you aren't ready for this shift.

Nonesense !

There was a time ..when child marriage was widespread and legal in India(and Pakistan and Bangladesh by extension ) till British Raj outlawed it.

Now 9 decades down the line..child marriages are almost unheard off. There hasn't been any major rise in single teenage mothers over these 9 decades.. because it is considered a taboo in Indian socitey ..will continue to be.. however infant mortality rate has come down exponentially.

Raising the universal marriage age to 21 will further aid this process. The number of births will come down. Number of teenage mothers and their pregnancy related complication will come down...and hence the infant mortality rate will reduce. It might take decades to see it's effects ..as has had happened with abolishment of child marriages in 1929, but this is a positive step.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

How exactly are these women's lives going to change with a college education before marriage?

"In their chapter in this volume, Bose et al. examine whether domestic violence and control over women is higher in areas with a gender imbalance. They argue that although the ‘dyadic power’ of women is expected to be higher when they are in shorter supply, Indian women in districts with high sex ratios experience more physical abuse and a higher degree of control than those in areas with better sex ratios. Their research could be further extended to explore a repeated ethnographic finding — that men in such areas exercise greater surveillance over their wives and display a higher degree of suspicion if wives venture out to work. In some high sex ratio Indian states like Uttar Pradesh, subjecting the woman to constant childbearing is used as a mode of exercising control over her. "

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.thewire.in/article/books/too-many-men-too-few-women/amp

What about these women? If they're so poor that they're pulled out of school at 10 or because the schools have no toilets, how will raising the marriage age from 18 to 21 help them get their "college education"?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/india-s-inequality-crisis-hurts-girls-and-women-the-most

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Nonesense !

There was a time ..when child marriage was widespread and legal in India(and Pakistan and Bangladesh by extension ) till British Raj outlawed it.

Now 9 decades down the line..child marriages are almost unheard off. There hasn't been any major rise in single teenage mothers over these 9 decades.. because it is considered a taboo in Indian socitey ..will continue to be.. however infant mortality rate has come down exponentially.

Raising the universal marriage age to 21 will further aid this process. The number of births will come down. Number of teenage mothers and their pregnancy related complication will come down...and hence the infant mortality rate will reduce. It might take decades to see it's effects ..as has had happened with abolishment of child marriages in 1929, but this is a positive step.

Prick. I've already exposed your agenda. I'm not saying lower the age below 18. I'm also not saying there should be a difference. Keep the ages the same for men and women but don't pretend this is for ensuring women get a college education before marriage....don't make me laugh.

India needs to stop abusing females from deprived backgrounds altogether, then it can dream of college educations for them all.

This ordinance is purely lip service to deluded bhaktistanis the Like you who think Muslims are to blame for everything. The reality is, this law won't change squat in India because of the real underlying problems that you and your buddies refuse to acknowledge. This ordinance will win votes among the bhakt hard-core who delude themselves into thinking it will hurt Muslim demography.

 

[Osiris]

Prick. I've already exposed your agenda. I'm not saying lower the age below 18. I'm also not saying there should be a difference. Keep the ages the same for men and women but don't pretend this is for ensuring women get a college education before marriage....don't make me laugh.

India needs to stop abusing females from deprived backgrounds altogether, then it can dream of college educations for them all.

This ordinance is purely lip service to deluded bhaktistanis the Like you who think Muslims are to blame for everything. The reality is, this law won't change squat in India because of the real underlying problems that you and your buddies refuse to acknowledge. This ordinance will win votes among the bhakt hard-core who delude themselves into thinking it will hurt Muslim demography.

Who is saying this is for college education (at least not me). Women who's families send them to college, as it is do not marry at 18.
And women who marry at 18 will .. don't not come from college background.

Raising the universal marriage age to 21 ..will simply reduce the number of births ..and number of infant deaths and slow down the population rise.
Muslim, Hindu or Christian demography be damned..we simply need to bring our population growth under control.

 

[HalfMoon]

Indian Muslims are Indians, this law will be enacted for Indians.

Indian Muslims follow Muslim personal law. Marriage falls under Muslim personal law (Sharia).

You Hindus can go ahead and increase age limit to 50 years.

 

[HalfMoon]

Follow the laws of this country, if you want to live in this country. Otherwise you are free to move to which ever cave you want too. Marry your daughters at birth and produce a hundred litters..for all we care .

Indian Muslims follow Muslim personal law. Marriage falls under Muslim personal law (Sharia).

You Hindus can go ahead and increase age limit to 50 years. No one cares.