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India far behind Pakistan's 'powerful' Submarines: Report

Posted by: Preeti Panwar Updated: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 15:46 [IST]

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Pakistan submarines

New Delhi, Aug 20:

The recent disaster in the Indian submarine INS Sindhurakshak that perhaps killed all 18 Navy personnel on-board has raised a pertinent question on the Indian Navy's submarine conditions as well as its underwater combat edge.

According to a TOI report, currently, India can only deploy 7-8 "aging conventional" submarines against enemy forces.

The stark reality is that the Indian Navy is left with only 13 aging diesel-electric submarines - 11 of them over 20 years old.

Out of the 13 submarines - 9 Kilo-class of Russian origin and 4 HDW of German-origin - are undergoing reparation to 'extend' their operational lives.

The only "face saver" of the Navy seems to be the INS Chakra, the only nuclear-powered submarine, taken on a 10-year lease from Russia last year. But due to international treaties, it is not armed with nuclear-tipped missiles.

With its 300-km range Klub-S land-attack cruise missiles, other missiles and advanced torpedoes, the INS Chakra can serve as a deadly `hunter-killer' of enemy submarines and warships.

Moreover, India has been indecisive to fit Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) in the last two of the six French Scorpene submarines being constructed for over Rs 23,000 crore at Mazagon Docks under "Project-75". :lol: The first Scorpene will be delivered only by November 2016. On August 12, the Indian Navy launched its aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, placing India in the fifth rank, after US, Russia, Britain and France, who have the ability to design and build aircraft carriers of 40,000 tonnes and above. With a capacity to deploy over 30 aircraft and helicopters, it is considered to be the biggest aircraft carrier in India.

Pakistan Navy Power:

Whereas the neighbouring country Pakistan, which is continuously violating ceasefire bilateral agreement along the Line of Control (LoC) since last month, is far more more advanced and well prepared in terms of submarines. Presently, Pakistan is well equipped with five "new conventional" submarines and is considering to get six more 'advanced' vessels from its all-weather friend China. China already flexes its muscles with 47 diesel-electric submarines and eight nuclear-powered submarines. Incidentally, the Pakistan Navy is the first force in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) to have submarines equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP) in the shape of three French Agosta-90B vessels.

The difference:

The conventional submarines have to surface every few days to get oxygen to recharge their batteries in contrast with the AIP equipped submarines that can stay submerged for much longer periods to significantly boost their stealth and combat capabilities.

India far behind Pakistan's 'powerful' Submarines: Report - Oneindia News

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http://jang.com.pk/jang/aug2013-dail...2013/u6126.htm

:yahoo:
 
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Sub marines are secret weapons and you are not sure of how many are there in enemies camp.
 
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What a peace of Bullsh!t out of 5 pakistani submarine they have 2 sub almost 4 decade old. :lol:

So just three sub that can be called advanced, and no deal signed with China till now (money)

Scorpian is late but what about nuclear sub force of India??
 
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Where does this proves we r ''Much much ahead''

Indian really need to come out of their obsession with Pakistan.

and we getting 6th sub is news for me:rofl:
 
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India far behind Pakistan's 'powerful' Submarines: Report

Posted by: Preeti Panwar Updated: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 15:46 [IST]

rubis5.jpg


YGSnA.jpg

Pakistan submarines

New Delhi, Aug 20:

The recent disaster in the Indian submarine INS Sindhurakshak that perhaps killed all 18 Navy personnel on-board has raised a pertinent question on the Indian Navy's submarine conditions as well as its underwater combat edge.

According to a TOI report, currently, India can only deploy 7-8 "aging conventional" submarines against enemy forces.

The stark reality is that the Indian Navy is left with only 13 aging diesel-electric submarines - 11 of them over 20 years old.

Out of the 13 submarines - 9 Kilo-class of Russian origin and 4 HDW of German-origin - are undergoing reparation to 'extend' their operational lives.

The only "face saver" of the Navy seems to be the INS Chakra, the only nuclear-powered submarine, taken on a 10-year lease from Russia last year. But due to international treaties, it is not armed with nuclear-tipped missiles.

With its 300-km range Klub-S land-attack cruise missiles, other missiles and advanced torpedoes, the INS Chakra can serve as a deadly `hunter-killer' of enemy submarines and warships.

Moreover, India has been indecisive to fit Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) in the last two of the six French Scorpene submarines being constructed for over Rs 23,000 crore at Mazagon Docks under "Project-75". :lol: The first Scorpene will be delivered only by November 2016. On August 12, the Indian Navy launched its aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, placing India in the fifth rank, after US, Russia, Britain and France, who have the ability to design and build aircraft carriers of 40,000 tonnes and above. With a capacity to deploy over 30 aircraft and helicopters, it is considered to be the biggest aircraft carrier in India.

Pakistan Navy Power:

Whereas the neighbouring country Pakistan, which is continuously violating ceasefire bilateral agreement along the Line of Control (LoC) since last month, is far more more advanced and well prepared in terms of submarines. Presently, Pakistan is well equipped with five "new conventional" submarines and is considering to get six more 'advanced' vessels from its all-weather friend China. China already flexes its muscles with 47 diesel-electric submarines and eight nuclear-powered submarines. Incidentally, the Pakistan Navy is the first force in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) to have submarines equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP) in the shape of three French Agosta-90B vessels.

The difference:

The conventional submarines have to surface every few days to get oxygen to recharge their batteries in contrast with the AIP equipped submarines that can stay submerged for much longer periods to significantly boost their stealth and combat capabilities.

India far behind Pakistan's 'powerful' Submarines: Report - Oneindia News

8-20-2013_6126_1.gif

http://jang.com.pk/jang/aug2013-dail...2013/u6126.htm

:yahoo:

With those 6 new ones and hope we produce two to 4 more Non Nuclear Submarines our selves and 3 Augusta we would be really strong force but need more Frigates lot more by 2025

Where does this proves we r ''Much much ahead''

Indian really need to come out of their obsession with Pakistan.

and we getting 6th sub is news for me:rofl:
We are looking forward to by 6 submarines from China that is pretty close we need them by 2025 despite bad economy we have to somehow achieve the target
 
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Pakistan always had more potent subs the India in past but i am not sure about it now although India is now trying to get advanced potent submarines
 
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What a peace of Bullsh!t out of 5 pakistani submarine they have 2 sub almost 4 decade old. :lol:

So just three sub that can be called advanced, and no deal signed with China till now (money)

Scorpian is late but what about nuclear sub force of India??

Not only that, the Agosta 90B's were probably old technology when acquired. And the deal on Chinese subs is nowhere to be seen, but if that ever happens or the deal with Germany then that will tilt the equation in favour of Pakistan.
 
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Greatest JOKE of the century.

Pakistanis wakeup to the reality and Indian press someone is milking someone to get more Funds.

I would have accept this piece of news if PN had 3 U214s and 5 A90B delusional people. You may hate France but you could have extended deals even couple of more A90Bs development would have given PN boost.
 
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Too many false observations!! First of all not all 5 Pakistani submarines are new, 2 of them are almost as old as the oldest subs of Indian navy or even more. Though I agree that Indian convantional submarine force is in very bad shape now but positive thing is that our nuclear submarine program is going well.
 
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