India falling apart - Citizenship Amendment Bill: India's West Bengal hit by protests

[Tom M]

LOL of course the Indian minorities are very happy in Modi's India where they are all singing lullabies and not being lynched as we speak LOL

GTFO here. Go and fool someone else. The whole world knows what goes on in Rapistan India. This isn't one of your fake NGO cells. You can try to impress your Islam hating brothers at Breitbart LOL

Apart from abuse. You failed to answer my simple answer my friend, and it speaks volume over your rhetoric. Thanks.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Apart from abuse. You failed to answer my simple answer my friend, and it speaks volume over your rhetoric. Thanks.

LOL says the RSS rape fanatic. How does it feel when Modi is reeling now? I heard he is begging on his Twitter feed for calm. Why beg for calm when everything is just fine?

 

[Tom M]

LOL says the RSS rape fanatic. How does it feel when Modi is reeling now? I heard he is begging on his Twitter feed for calm. Why beg for calm when everything is just fine?

Apart from personal abuse do you have some logic ??

You my friend look a total stupid here if you haven already read my replies in this thread. LOL

 

[Chhatrapati]

The answer is just plain and simple. It may be within the four boundaries of the constitution, it might have got the majority in Parliament as well. But it is morally not correct as far as Indian constitution is concerned. We haven't distinguished between people/refugees/immigrants on the basis of religion. Either it should be for all (as per some date bar) or for none. If that we the case it would have upheld the secular values that we have been cherishing all throughout the 70 years of our independence.

Indian constitution is not based on morality. The definition of morality changes with demography. Indian constitution is laid on principles. Giving citizenship to prosecuted minorities from these three countries will not tilt the secularism in India. By doing so, we are acknowledging the fact that there is such prosecutions.

But that is not the case here. Above all, how and who will determine that all those refugees and illegal immigrants (except the Muslims) are actually the persecuted group ??

It is hard to prove prosecution because we have no access to their law and order cases, but these three countries have official state religions. Which effectively make non-Muslims below Muslims.

What if some had crossed over for better life/monitory gains. Just like few Indian's trying to enter U.S or Europe illegally. Does that mean they were all persecuted back here in India ?? Now who is going to determine that ??

So, you're saying we should wait for them to ethnically cleanse minorities, abduct, rape and kill them and then whoever survives can be given citizenship. Okay...

There is quite a lot of difference between Indians entering Europe or US, to refugees entering India, the average income in US and EU is 30-40 times higher than that of India. The ones coming from Pak and BD, they are not coming to lead a rich and prosperous lifestyle when average citizens of India are finding it hard to make ends meet. What kind of comparison is that?

As I have said 3T is totally immoral. But that can be punished with hefty fine or something else without jail term ?? But why only Muslim men who do this illegal/immoral act attract a jail term while people like our PM who had abandoned his legally wedded wife to live on her on walk scot-free without out any criminal indictment, that too irrespective of religion ?? Ever thought

You know what. Eve teasing, insulting women, sexual harassment (verbally) etc... should also not carry criminal punishment. What's your take on that?
Because 3T only exist among Muslims doofus. For hindus, Christians, Sikhs etc... there is court of law where you have to file for divorce. After all the legal battle where court grants them a divorce.
As for Modi, you can live separately even if you are lawfully wed. Ever thought of that?
And she is living on her own pension after she retired from her job as a teacher. Modi got married when he was 17, a child marriage, as per her own accounts Modi wanted her to get educated and get a job. How is this comparable to 3T?
Did she file a complaint against Modi in all these years?

This bill and all past actions and words including NCR speaks out loud and clear. WE CANNOT TOLERATE MUSLIMS IN INDIA.

NRC is implemented by supreme court. Irrespective of who is in power, this will have to be done.

And "when injustice becomes law resistance becomes a duty". Period.

How I wish you were on that train when stones were thrown by those 'resisting'.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1205495155484057602

It's just a beginning, if BJP/NDA push too hard, no one can stop a large scale religious riots between fringe groups in every community which has the potential to even ignite a civil war. And it's not a threat I'm making rather a warning for the worst case scenario.

You might like a civil war, that's what you lot are hoping and praying for. Mark my words, this shit will not go past few days. Then you will happily choke up these words and learn to live with it.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Religious persecution, really ?? Well how many Indian's particularly Indian Muslim's have crossed our border as refugees to neighboring countries over the past 70 years ?? I bet you don't have a clue.

migrations are 90% economic.. Indian Muslims live in form of pockets here and there and they have their own eco system within which they survive.The minute India's economy tanks OR you start using firepower on them they will start crossing the border.So far you are hitting them with sticks only, they heal and get back to the routine stuff.BTW Pakistan did get many Indian Muslim migrants esp. Rohingyas upto 70s and even 80s when you had hindu rate of growth.

 

[PeaceGen]

Viral video becomes a symbol of protest
Muslims in India continue to protest against the country's new citizenship law, which they believe carries anti-Muslim sentiments. CNN's Sam Kiley reports.

Local : 2019-12-17(Tuesday) 22:54:29
Found via nicer.app/news

in my opinion, this is a good way to protest these days. better than demonstrations, which can lead to riots with police eventually, and certainly better than going to war over disputes.

 

[Tom M]

Indian constitution is not based on morality. The definition of morality changes with demography. Indian constitution is laid on principles. Giving citizenship to prosecuted minorities from these three countries will not tilt the secularism in India. By doing so, we are acknowledging the fact that there is such prosecutions.

It is hard to prove prosecution because we have no access to their law and order cases, but these three countries have official state religions. Which effectively make non-Muslims below Muslims.

Then why citizenship, even providing refuge in itself is an acknowledgement (and that too for a select group of religion)that religious persecutions are happening in our neighborhood. My friend nowhere in the world refuge is given in the basis of religion. And your (BJP/RSS) anology that no one will give refuge to Hindu's if factually incorrect. Because if that were the case U.K or Norway wouldn't have provided refuge to Sri-Lankan minorities which also include a good proportion of Hindu's.

So, you're saying we should wait for them to ethnically cleanse minorities, abduct, rape and kill them and then whoever survives can be given citizenship. Okay...

What I'm saying is it's not just our headache alone. It's for the larger world community to take into notice and act accordingly. Again irrespective of the religion.

There is quite a lot of difference between Indians entering Europe or US, to refugees entering India, the average income in US and EU is 30-40 times higher than that of India. The ones coming from Pak and BD, they are not coming to lead a rich and prosperous lifestyle when average citizens of India are finding it hard to make ends meet. What kind of comparison is that?

If that were the case, can you please enlighten why so many Muslim illegal immigrants are supposed to be found in India. As per you they don't face religious persecution or discrimination. And I won't agree that all of them have terror links. Then what might be the reason for the Muslim's to cross over from their Islamic republic to India ??

Whatever it is, I assume the same is applicable to some (if not all) non-Muslim illegal immigrants.

You know what. Eve teasing, insulting women, sexual harassment (verbally) etc... should also not carry criminal punishment. What's your take on that?
Because 3T only exist among Muslims doofus. For hindus, Christians, Sikhs etc... there is court of law where you have to file for divorce. After all the legal battle where court grants them a divorce.

You my friend should better read Muslim "Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application Act, 1937" and "Dissolution of Muslim Marriages Act 1939".

The very first line in the Personal law states "Muslim marriage is a civil contract between a man and a woman".

Now it is strange that a civil contract attracts a criminal punishment if violated. Ain't that absurd, I bet not for you.

As for Modi, you can live separately even if you are lawfully wed. Ever thought of that?
And she is living on her own pension after she retired from her job as a teacher. Modi got married when he was 17, a child marriage, as per her own accounts Modi wanted her to get educated and get a job. How is this comparable to 3T?
Did she file a complaint against Modi in all these years?

Seriously, then that makes him a child abuser as well. Regarding her filing a complaint, how much time, agitation and lives did it require to get a petty ex-BJP MLA Kuldeep Singh Sengar, punished, huh ?? Here we are talking about an Ex-CM, incumbent P.M. LOL

NRC

is implemented by supreme court. Irrespective of who is in power, this will have to be done

NRC when initially brought was only meant exclusively for Assam state. And what a pleasant surprise, 14 Lac of the 19 Lac illegal were found to be Hindu's. The reason why CAA was brought about in such a haste. LOL

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-citizens-published-online-1599054-2019-09-14

How I wish you were on that train when stones were thrown by those 'resisting'

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1205495155484057602

I wish I were, since it would be far, far better than being stuck inside a place like Gulbarg Society.

You might like a civil war, that's what you lot are hoping and praying for. Mark my words, this shit will not go past few days. Then you will happily choke up these words and learn to live with it.

In your dreams kid. It won't be that easy to exterminate 35+ Million minorities all together, the fight back will be brutal.

Above all, the intentions are nothing that the hide. It's plane and simple, push the Muslim's to the corner. Following is the proof.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1116246724119371776

And if you are still not convinced, I'm sorry to say my friend either you are one among them or the most stupid and ignorant person I have come across in my life.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Then why citizenship, even providing refuge in itself is an acknowledgement (and that too for a select group of religion)that religious persecutions are happening in our neighborhood. My friend nowhere in the world refuge is given in the basis of religion. And your (BJP/RSS) anology that no one will give refuge to Hindu's if factually incorrect. Because if that were the case U.K or Norway wouldn't have provided refuge to Sri-Lankan minorities which also include a good proportion of Hindu's.

Who said they are given citizenship like selling pakodas? This is a one time offer for those minorities who are here before Dec of 2014.
LOL! Dear friend, do you see Sikhs getting citizenship based on their religion in Canada? Can you apply for the same? Maybe you can, given you're a minority, I can't apply for it claiming prosecution. It happens everywhere in the world.
Sri Lankan Tamils are an ethnic minority, this issue pertains religious minority in these three ideological states. maybe in the future there will be laws that can give citizenship to ethnic minorities too.
And their issue has largely subsided. Neither Myanmar or Sri Lanka is theocracy.

What I'm saying is it's not just our headache alone. It's for the larger world community to take into notice and act accordingly. Again irrespective of the religion.

When was the last time you heard, larger world community taking action against anything that happens in any of these countries? In spite the state treating them has second class citizens.

If that were the case, can you please enlighten why so many Muslim illegal immigrants are supposed to be found in India. As per you they don't face religious persecution or discrimination. And I won't agree that all of them have terror links. Then what might be the reason for the Muslim's to cross over from their Islamic republic to India ??

Whatever it is, I assume the same is applicable to some (if not all) non-Muslim illegal immigrants.

Before I answer that, what do you think these Muslims who are in majority in their Islamic republic coming to India?

Who said anything about terror link? You're part of the problem when you think it's because others will think they're terrorists.

You my friend should better read Muslim "Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application Act, 1937" and "Dissolution of Muslim Marriages Act 1939".

The very first line in the Personal law states "Muslim marriage is a civil contract between a man and a woman".

Now it is strange that a civil contract attracts a criminal punishment if violated. Ain't that absurd, I bet not for you.

I don't need your lecture to understand law. Every marriage is a civil contract and breaching it, for whatever reason don't attract a criminal punishment. But there are certain clause in those acts that are intended for the protection of women. One for example is dowry, giving or demanding dowry attracts a criminal punishment of up to 5 years. It is a civil offence per se no harms in demanding or giving.

Another is 3T, you have to through a due process before getting divorced. If you want to break up, demand it from your wife, don't send whatsapp message.

Seriously, then that makes him a child abuser as well. Regarding her filing a complaint, how much time, agitation and lives did it require to get a petty ex-BJP MLA Kuldeep Singh Sengar, punished, huh ?? Here we are talking about an Ex-CM, incumbent P.M. LOL

He himself is a child and he didn't marry a 10 yo, both are of same age. Child abuser?? Seriously, blindly hating someone will prevent you from making a logical point, I see it now.
So you think she couldn't file a complaint simply because she was scared of Modi? What is supposed to be the complaint? That Modi forced her to live separately, asked her to get education and a job rather than toiling in house cooking and cleaning? Do tell me genius, how's that a criminal offence that make him comparable to Kuldeep Singh? Not that I expect a straight answer, just like how some loser commi show his true colors.

NRC when initially brought was only meant exclusively for Assam state. And what a pleasant surprise, 14 Lac of the 19 Lac illegal were found to be Hindu's. The reason why CAA was brought about in such a haste. LOL

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-citizens-published-online-1599054-2019-09-14

So you're saying Assam is the only state where illegal migrants live? One should know, when Supreme court gives a judgement on something like NRC, it can be applied to the entire nation. It's within the rights of the ruling government, all these laws were in the BJP manifesto, I don't see anything surprising apart from a bunch of losers (literally) licking wounds of election loss.

I wish I were, since it would be far, far better than being stuck inside a place like Gulbarg Society.

New deflection. I got one. It's not worse than being stuck in Godhra train burning.

In your dreams kid. It won't be that easy to exterminate 35+ Million minorities all together, the fight back will be brutal.

Above all, the intentions are nothing that the hide. It's plane and simple, push the Muslim's to the corner. Following is the proof.

Hey doofus... Where is the proof that there is plan to exterminate anyone? Still waiting for those simple things.

And if you are still not convinced, I'm sorry to say my friend either you are one among them or the most stupid and ignorant person I have come across in my life.

LOL!! You're trying to convince me shit. You simply put forward weak arguments, and starts jumping from topic to topic when arguments get debunked one by one. You don't have the tolerance to have a logical argument without hurling personal insults when it don't conform with your views. Typical loser commie.

Looks like your twitter link is shady too. It doesn't work

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

India had a chance to unify itself in Mayuryan dynasty times but your strategy of letting so many sub cultures survive causes so much division in your society.

This Mauryan boundries were also one big fat lie.

 

[Tom M]

Who said they are given citizenship like selling pakodas? This is a one time offer for those minorities who are here before Dec of 2014.
LOL! Dear friend, do you see Sikhs getting citizenship based on their religion in Canada? Can you apply for the same? Maybe you can, given you're a minority, I can't apply for it claiming prosecution. It happens everywhere in the world.
Sri Lankan Tamils are an ethnic minority, this issue pertains religious minority in these three ideological states. maybe in the future there will be laws that can give citizenship to ethnic minorities too.
And their issue has largely subsided. Neither Myanmar or Sri Lanka is theocracy.

When was the last time you heard, larger world community taking action against anything that happens in any of these countries? In spite the state treating them has second class citizens.


Before I answer that, what do you think these Muslims who are in majority in their Islamic republic coming to India?

Who said anything about terror link? You're part of the problem when you think it's because others will think they're terrorists.

I don't need your lecture to understand law. Every marriage is a civil contract and breaching it, for whatever reason don't attract a criminal punishment. But there are certain clause in those acts that are intended for the protection of women. One for example is dowry, giving or demanding dowry attracts a criminal punishment of up to 5 years. It is a civil offence per se no harms in demanding or giving.

Another is 3T, you have to through a due process before getting divorced. If you want to break up, demand it from your wife, don't send whatsapp message.

He himself is a child and he didn't marry a 10 yo, both are of same age. Child abuser?? Seriously, blindly hating someone will prevent you from making a logical point, I see it now.
So you think she couldn't file a complaint simply because she was scared of Modi? What is supposed to be the complaint? That Modi forced her to live separately, asked her to get education and a job rather than toiling in house cooking and cleaning? Do tell me genius, how's that a criminal offence that make him comparable to Kuldeep Singh? Not that I expect a straight answer, just like how some loser commi show his true colors.

So you're saying Assam is the only state where illegal migrants live? One should know, when Supreme court gives a judgement on something like NRC, it can be applied to the entire nation. It's within the rights of the ruling government, all these laws were in the BJP manifesto, I don't see anything surprising apart from a bunch of losers (literally) licking wounds of election loss.

New deflection. I got one. It's not worse than being stuck in Godhra train burning.

Hey doofus... Where is the proof that there is plan to exterminate anyone? Still waiting for those simple things.


LOL!! You're trying to convince me shit. You simply put forward weak arguments, and starts jumping from topic to topic when arguments get debunked one by one. You don't have the tolerance to have a logical argument without hurling personal insults when it don't conform with your views. Typical loser commie.

Looks like your twitter link is shady too. It doesn't work

Let's not go off topic. But the Twitter link I provided was not shoddy, it seem to have bee removed by the creator. But I can provide you the screenshot.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1206932715825557504

Here BJP is not talking to provide citizenship to all refugees except Muslims, rather they are planning to give citizenship to all illegal infiltrators, and read it loud and clear, ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS who haven't even applied or even claimed for asylum or refuge. What an Irony.

If this tweet doesn't speak about the ill intention, then what will ??

 

[PakSword]

Here BJP is not talking to provide citizenship to all refugees except Muslims, rather they are planning to give citizenship to all illegal infiltrators, and read it loud and clear, ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS who haven even applied for asylum or refuge except Muslims.

If this tweet doesn't speak about the ill intention, then what will ??

Good that some Indians have some sense..

How do you see India in future if BJP sticks to the new legislation, and SC doesn't object? Do you see that BJP will get more support from Hindus and will polarize the society even further?

 

[Tom M]

Good that some Indians have some sense..

How do you see India in future if BJP sticks to the new legislation, and SC doesn't object? Do you see that BJP will get more support from Hindus and will polarize the society even further?

Nothing is going to happen. SC will take up this matter accordingly down the road, and there is no precedent that SC stay any Article/Law passed via two houses of the Parliament before hearing the Government. So I think it's too early to expect any drastic SC intervention in this matter. SC had already served a notice to the Government yesterday if you already don't know.

If you are already not aware, there is an overwhelming majority of Hindu's especially in the state of Assam etc. who are opposing this with all ferocity.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...s-observe-cease-work/articleshow/72874918.cms

 

[Chhatrapati]

Let's not go off topic. But the Twitter link I provided was not shoddy, it seem to have bee removed by the creator. But I can provide you the screenshot.

I'm not the one who deflected from the topic.
As for the tweet, sure if tweet is missing, check BJP manifesto. If I remember correctly it was during an election rally Amitshah said that and they came to power. Then again, what is so wrong with implementing NRC throughout India. You assumed BJP is talking about Indian Muslims.

 

[Tom M]

I'm not the one who deflected from the topic.
As for the tweet, sure if tweet is missing, check BJP manifesto. If I remember correctly it was during an election rally Amitshah said that and they came to power. Then again, what is so wrong with implementing NRC throughout India. You assumed BJP is talking about Indian Muslims.

You don't find anything wrong with that tweet ??

Well let me explain.

BJP is not saying that they will provide citizenship to all the religious minorities from our neighboring countries who came here as refugees due too religious persecution. Rather, they are explicitly saying that, we will provide citizenship to all ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, except Muslims.

The irony of the whole thing is that most of them the majority are Hindu Illegal immigrants from Bangladesh (14 Lacs as per NRC Assam) and who had never asked for refugee status rather living ILLEGALLY as neutralist Indian citizens. And I guess the motivation for most of them are the same gains that made Muslim Illegal immigrants to cross over the border since they never cared to apply for refugee status even after living here for decades ILLEGALLY.

Why should me and My country suffer the additional burden of any ILLEGAL immigrant irrespective of their religion ??? Can you please care to explain these points ???

P.S: Citizenship for refugees is a whole different thing.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Rather, they are explicitly saying that, we will provide citizenship to all ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, except Muslims.

That's interesting, so now you claim Sri Lankan Tamils, Hindu Rohingyas are getting citizenship? I read CAA, it has no particular sections that claims something you said.

The irony of the whole thing is that most of them the majority are Hindu Illegal immigrants from Bangladesh (14 Lacs as per NRC Assam) and who had never asked for refugee status rather living ILLEGALLY as neutralist Indian citizens. And I guess the motivation for most of them are the same gains that made Muslim Illegal immigrants to cross over the border since they never cared to apply for refugee status even after living here for decades ILLEGALLY.

haha they never asked? They have been asking for a long time. Even your commie, Prakash karat requested government to grant citizenship to those minorities, I saw a video showing MMS saying(past in RS) he desires to give citizenship to them too.
Guess they were too scared of losing the vote bank. What do you make of all these violence? You're already playing to the tunes of BJP. Like Jamia students raise slogan "Hinduon key azadi" do you want that too?

India has no official refugee laws, every refugee in India is an illegal migrant. Some people are exempted and are given special permits, like Tibetans.
Muslim illegals from BD have no reason to be in India. They should go back. As for NRC in Assam, it is not perfect, there is a lot of flaws in it, many people have been included and many are excluded. It'll be corrected. As clarified by the government, NRC in Assam is not over.