India faces threat from China, Pakistan: Jaswant

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Hello India,

You don't have to worry either from China or Pakistan. China will never wage war with you as long you are silent on Tibet or directly in the path of Chinese interest. And Pakistan just can't. China will not gain anything from such wars with their neighbors esp. country like India. China wants to be stronger in every respect along with her neighbors.
When China is weak be certain India would be weak too. Someone wants you to be weak but it's not China. I hope you would understand who that 'someone' is.

Someone pretends to be your friend and and has been trying so many ways to pollute your soul with imaginative fear of China. India , you have produced brilliant politicians and extra ordinary diplomats over the years. Don't worry too much. Don't trust in those
baseless words of Jaswant Singh.

Work hard and be respectful of all your neighbors. Pay attention and listen to them. Extend your friendly arm (Ghandian arm) to solve all the disputes with your neighbors.
Every problem can be solved via good diplomacy and clear intention to solve 'em - in course of time, definitely.

Remember, in the time of crisis, your neighbors would be your best friend to come up with timely help.
A stronger Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar is good for India. A stronger Pakistan is even better for India. A stronger India is better for China. And a stonger China is always better for all her neighbors and rest of the world. As we all know China and India will never dictate or interfere in other nation's affairs which are the root causes of hate and followed by wars, famine, hunger and suffering of Mankind!

Finally Mr. J Singh, don't preach something which is not true at all. Open up your loving arms like Bapujee to all your neighbors and be a VICTOR in world politics. Don't be part of their game plan who doesn't want to see the Asians as the next SUPER POWER.

Long live! friendship among Indian and Chinese neighbors for next thousand years.

Thank you.

You are the official spokesman of the CCP?

I love the slogan Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai! Same to you!

Indian friends, good advice is offered above - you are in a hurry and a faustian bargain is awaiting you from those who think that by derailing Asia and throwing it into conflict that can avert their own problems.

Muse,

China has always been with you and so I understand your sentiments.

But a friend in need is a friend indeed!

 

[BATMAN]

Remember, in the time of crisis, your neighbors would be your best friend to come up with timely help.
A stronger Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar is good for India. A stronger Pakistan is even better for India. A stronger India is better for China. And a stonger China is always better for all her neighbors and rest of the world. As we all know China and India will never dictate or interfere in other nation's affairs which are the root causes of hate and followed by wars, famine, hunger and suffering of Mankind!

Wow....Your fantasies have certainly turned indians on.
It can't be more perfect!

What is your opinion about vice versa situation? i.e. does Pakistan and China or as a matter of fact any of your mentioned country face any threat from indian?

 

[cactuslily58]

Hello India,

You don't have to worry either from China or Pakistan. China will never wage war with you as long you are silent on Tibet or directly in the path of Chinese interest. And Pakistan just can't. China will not gain anything from such wars with their neighbors esp. country like India. China wants to be stronger in every respect along with her neighbors.
When China is weak be certain India would be weak too. Someone wants you to be weak but it's not China. I hope you would understand who that 'someone' is.

Someone pretends to be your friend and and has been trying so many ways to pollute your soul with imaginative fear of China. India , you have produced brilliant politicians and extra ordinary diplomats over the years. Don't worry too much. Don't trust in those
baseless words of Jaswant Singh.

Work hard and be respectful of all your neighbors. Pay attention and listen to them. Extend your friendly arm (Ghandian arm) to solve all the disputes with your neighbors.
Every problem can be solved via good diplomacy and clear intention to solve 'em - in course of time, definitely.

Remember, in the time of crisis, your neighbors would be your best friend to come up with timely help.
A stronger Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar is good for India. A stronger Pakistan is even better for India. A stronger India is better for China. And a stonger China is always better for all her neighbors and rest of the world. As we all know China and India will never dictate or interfere in other nation's affairs which are the root causes of hate and followed by wars, famine, hunger and suffering of Mankind!

Finally Mr. J Singh, don't preach something which is not true at all. Open up your loving arms like Bapujee to all your neighbors and be a VICTOR in world politics. Don't be part of their game plan who doesn't want to see the Asians as the next SUPER POWER.

Long live! friendship among Indian and Chinese neighbors for next thousand years.

Are you insinuating that If India voices it self on Tibet, China will wage war ? What is meant by " directly in the path of China's interests ?"

In fact these two remarks are essentially at the root of the concerns Jaswant Singh has expressed. Your remarks justify his apprehensions.

Why should India become weak if China is weak ? Are you nuts ??

"Work hard and be ..". Yes Sir, Mr Headmaster.. we shall do so. Are there any other " directions ' for us ?

India tried friendship with China & burnt its hands. Caution is the key now.

 

[muse]

"Muse,

China has always been with you and so I understand your sentiments.

But a friend in need is a friend indeed!"


I think friends show their friendship best when one is in need - but of course it's just advice - good luck with the new vision, but it may turn out that all power to effect the course of events does not lay in the near east or in the west, but much closer to home - so yes, caution is prudent.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

When I am at war, I want friend to help me materially and not with pious platitudes!

When I up against the wall sweet words are as good as a man's gonads!!

1971 is the glaring example.

 

[IceCold]

When I am at war, I want friend to help me materially and not with pious platitudes!

When I up against the wall sweet words are as good as a man's gonads!!

1971 is the glaring example.

71 was a different scenario altogether. We were betrayed by our most trusty ally the US then and not China. We were involved in defense pacts with the US and what did we got, a few jets from Iran, and yes ofcourse sactions. woww that was certainly a great help. Don't drag 71 into everything. There were a lot of failures committed then and we certainly payed the price. Things are different now.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

71 was a different scenario altogether. We were betrayed by our most trusty ally the US then and not China. We were involved in defense pacts with the US and what did we got, a few jets from Iran, and yes ofcourse sactions. woww that was certainly a great help. Don't drag 71 into everything. There were a lot of failures committed then and we certainly payed the price. Things are different now.

It is time you revisited history even if you want to embrace China as your long lost friend.

Forget 71. It was a cakewalk victpry for India; China or no China, US or no US!

Take Kargil!!

Take any other war.

Intervention of the US or China would have made a material difference in 1971. It is not that the US did not care. They sent their formidable 7th Fleet. What did China do? Bugger all!

That is Feindship for you that makes you roll over and play dead!

It is time to get over with emotions and smell the coffee!

 

[Niazi9]

Yup...this for domestic consumption. BJP just like the Pubs in the US will use fear to secure a landslide.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Yup...this for domestic consumption. BJP just like the Pubs in the US will use fear to secure a landslide.

Not quite.

There are many who think the BJP is lousy. But sadly, the others appear lousier!!

I like the BJP for initiating peace with Pakistan and other nationalistic agenda, even though I don't vote since politics is a refuge for scoundrels. But I dislike their appendages like the VHP and other fools. If I had a chance, I would shove the Trishul they carry up their orifice.

 

[muse]

Threatened by China, Pakistan and maybe Indian Muslims, too?


Indo-US deal and Muslims
BY AIJAZ ZAKA SYED (View from Dubai)

10 July 2008 Print E-mail
As the debate over India's controversial nuclear deal with the United States heats up, a new and totally unexpected angle has been added to the controversy: Whether the deal is "anti-Muslim" and if the Muslims, India's largest minority and the world's largest Muslim population, support or oppose the accord with the US.

So the poor Indian Muslim, who often keeps his head down and is ever grateful for the empty rhetoric and promises of calculating politicians, finds himself yet again at the heart of the so-called petty vote bank politics.

From Congress politicians like Salman Khurshed to media pundits like Barkha Dutt, just about everybody seems to be debating if the nuclear accord with Washington is acceptable to Indian Muslims or not.

Mulayam Singh Yadav, a veteran North Indian politician who once claimed to champion the cause of the religious minority and took pride in being called Maulana Mulayam, is making much song and dance about "protecting the interests" of his Muslim constituency.

Mulayam's Samajwadi Party consulted experts and community leaders like the illustrious former president and father of India's nuclear-missile programme Dr APJ Kalam before coming forward to rescue the governing Congress Party. After the Left parties walked out of the coalition protesting the nuclear deal, the Samajwadis have offered their own crutches to prop up the government tottering on the brink.

What I find most amusing about this whole debate is the hypocrisy of politicians like Mulayam and the pretension that the Indian government and leaders somehow make their policies and decisions, as crucial as these, in accordance with the wishes and concerns of the Muslim community.

Frankly speaking, who gives a damn what Indian Muslim thinks? Not this government. For that matter, no government in the past has ever lost any sleep over the sentiments of the 200-million-strong Muslim community.

The Muslim sentiments were hardly of any concern to the government of Narasimha Rao when it went ahead ignoring the community's protests — and those of others — to establish full-fledged diplomatic relations with Israel.

In any case, who are we to protest India's love affair with Israel when many Arab and Muslim countries are bending over backwards to hug our Zionist friends?

Returning to the US deal, many in the Muslim community have been alarmed by the Indian media's dangerous attempts to give a religious spin to the issue. The other day my talented friend, Barkha Dutt of NDTV, hosted a very lively debate on the US deal and how Muslims look at the whole business.

And everyone involved obsessed over the so-called Muslim stance on the issue as if it was crucial to the success or failure of nuclear arrangement with the US.

No wonder the Muslims are concerned. Given the long history of such innocuous issues turning into explosives in the hands of militant anti-Muslim organisations such as Shiv Sena and RSS-VHP-BJP combine, their concern is not unjustified.

Alarmed by the dangerous direction the whole debate has taken, and even as the Congress-led government fights for survival thanks to Manmohan's delusions of grandeur, Muslim organisations and groups are trying hard to distance themselves from the issue.

Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind, a staunch Congress ally, has passed a resolution dissociating the Muslim community from the controversy. The organisation, which played a leading role in the struggle for India's independence, has condemned political parties for using the issue for Muslim vote bank.

The party has reasonably argued that the decision if the deal is in national interest or not is for the country's leaders and scientists to decide. A party functionary, Kalimullah Khan Quasmi, has complained that there is a concerted effort to link the deal with the Muslim vote bank. "This is not a religious issue," pointed out Quasmi.

Exactly! What has a nuclear deal between India and the US got to do with the Muslims and their religious convictions? And why those opposed to the deal are doing so in the name of Muslims? And for God's sake, don't give us this crap about secularism.

This has nothing to do with Samajwadis' endless love for Muslims either.

That said, I believe the Muslims as well as other communities in India must oppose this unholy nuclear alliance with the neocons. Not because this accord is against the Muslims, as some of our politician friends in their excessive enthusiasm seem to suggest, but because this is against India's long-term interests.

I am no expert on nuclear energy or finer points of strategic cooperation between the two nuclear weapons states like India and the US. I don't know and I don't care if this will help India meet its growing energy needs, as some enthusiastic supporters of the arrangement claim.

All I know is this is a well-calibrated plot by big powers to ensnare and use the world's largest democracy to promote their own agenda.

India's enterprising Muslim community does not have to withdraw itself into its defensive shell if it is being dragged into this debate. Indian Muslim does NOT have to be apologetic in opposing this deal because this country belongs to him as much as it does to the next Indian.

In fact, anyone who really cares for this great country should and would oppose this dubious deal.

We must oppose this arrangement for two reasons:

First and foremost, this deal will undermine and compromise India's historical independence and political sovereignty. I am not suggesting that by inking this pact, India will become a US colony and White House will station its viceroy in Delhi.

But by offering this carrot, the reigning superpower is seeking to enlist Gandhi's nation as a client state and as a junior cop to police this part of the world.

Having given up on an increasingly hostile and unpredictable Pakistan, the US badly needs India to contain emerging China on the one hand and the Islamists of Iran and Central Asia on the other.

More importantly, there is now evidence to suggest that the US neocons and the Zionists are trying to form an axis of the US, Israel and India to check the rising force of Islam.

It's a grand conspiracy against the Muslim world as well as India. I call it a conspiracy because India and Muslim world have been historically close allies and friends. These are ties that are as old as Islam. In fact, they go way back in time — long before the advent of Islam. And India has been a home of Islam and Muslims for more than a millennium.

This is perhaps why the inimitable Iqbal called India 'saare jahaan se achha' (best in the whole world). And the neocons and Zionists want to sabotage this historical relationship.

Secondly, this opportunistic alliance goes against everything that secular and democratic India has believed in and championed; ideals like peace, non-violence, non-alignment and always, always standing with the disadvantaged, oppressed and the vulnerable people everywhere.

This is why the world looked to India for leadership even when it was not a nuclear power and half of its population lived below the so-called poverty line.

Which is why it's a tragic irony that the party that once led the struggle for India's independence should now be seeking to enslave this great land once again.

It is time for the Indians to decide whether they want to continue leading the world as a peaceful and progressive nation of Gandhi and Nehru or want to end up as yet another Third World colony of Pax Americana.

Aijaz Zaka Syed is a senior editor of Khaleej Times. The views expressed here are his own. Write to him at aijazsyed@khaleejtimes.com

 

[vish]

Threatened by China, Pakistan and maybe Indian Muslims, too?

India Threatened by Indian Muslims...? Not quiet I would say; all of them don't like the fact that we are cosying up to "Uncle Satan." Significant percentage of them do.

By the way: Indian Muslims are Indian first and Muslims later; otherwise they are welcome to abandon ship. Further, I'll say the same for any other religion.

 

[IceCold]

It is time you revisited history even if you want to embrace China as your long lost friend.

Forget 71. It was a cakewalk victpry for India; China or no China, US or no US!

Take Kargil!!

Take any other war.

Intervention of the US or China would have made a material difference in 1971. It is not that the US did not care. They sent their formidable 7th Fleet. What did China do? Bugger all!

That is Feindship for you that makes you roll over and play dead!

It is time to get over with emotions and smell the coffee!

It is time for you to stop telling us who we should and should not be friends with. Why would Pakistan want to involve china in Kargil? for what? The formidable so called 7th fleet was playing hide and seek with the russians and nothing more. By the way it was China that sent a strong warning to India to refrain from attacking West Pakistan.
Stop acting like a master's dog just because they offered you guys deals that you could never have imagined in your wildest of dreams.

 

[muse]

"Indian Muslims are Indian first and Muslims later; otherwise they are welcome to abandon ship.

One can understand why it is whenever one meets Indian Muslims they complain that Pakistan has closed immigration to them and they are compelled to suffer the discrimination of Hindus.

It's a most regrettable attitude, that in the long term works to pakistan's advantage

 

[M.KHURRAM.KHAN [747 ARMY]]

INDIA IS FERING FROM PAKSITANI POWER.THEY DONT NOW ABOUT ME I AM A EMOTIONAL PERSON

 

[cactuslily58]

"Indian Muslims are Indian first and Muslims later; otherwise they are welcome to abandon ship.

One can understand why it is whenever one meets Indian Muslims they complain that Pakistan has closed immigration to them and they are compelled to suffer the discrimination of Hindus.

It's a most regrettable attitude, that in the long term works to pakistan's advantage

You are deliberately quoting out of context, read the post again. I have reproduced it below :

By the way: Indian Muslims are Indian first and Muslims later; otherwise they are welcome to abandon ship. Further, I'll say the same for any other religion.