India explores rail link with Iran, Turkey

[coffee_cup]

yes India can legally lay the pipeline in that area without anyone permission.

Well good luck with that.

Don't forget to tell me after you have done it without Pakistan's permission, provided this happens in my lifetime...

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

yes India can legally lay the pipeline in that area without anyone permission. There is still time for tht... by that time you can enjoy highly expensive LNG from Qatar.. India rite now need lanes for ships not for pipelines and you can't do anything.


yeh I just chckd a YouTube video few days back someone screaming on radio.. go away go away in broken English and the other side just gave a sh*t.

Since the other side was China so its only natural for you to say what you said. Reality is, China has scared the hell out of US. China is the super power. The world language would be Chinese instead of English and your army/navy will give same radio calls in broken Chinese in the near future

 

[BABA AGHORI]

Since the other side was China so its only natural for you to say what you said. Reality is, China has scared the hell out of US. China is the super power. The world language would be Chinese instead of English and your army/navy will give same radio calls in broken Chinese in the near future

One day this one day tht...
Ha ha... good luck dude
You can b a competition to Kapil Sharma ..

by any chance r u learning Chinese these days ?

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

One day this one day tht...
Ha ha... good luck dude
You can b a competition to Kapil Sharma ..

by any chance r u learning Chinese these days ?

Hahaha why would I need to learn it? We know Chinese already. That's why its our brotherly country

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

ha ha.
and how u do you English ? am I allowed to make guesses

Ok, guess it. You're too eager to guess so I won't stop you.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Pakistan's sea territory means pakistan sovereign waters ? Do you know it is just upto 12 nautical miles...This green and blue region is international sea route..no one can legally stop indian ships in this green blue eez of yours...

Ooh you even dont know what Green color means, it`s mean full full national Jurisdction and soverignty feel free to read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_waters#International_waters_agreements
You need permission from Pakistan to your every sea activity in pakistan sovereign waters.
btw neither i meant by water sovereign territory nor legally stop indian ships (pakistan has full right to stop any activity in pakistan sovereign waters), but it`s true you need Pakistan Permission even with this international sea route, and there you go, India concern if india join Pakistan by Ground so it`s possible that pakistan can block indian Oil trade if there will be any war like situation, Lolz we can also block your Oil trade through sea route until you dont pay tax by using our sovereign territory either by ground or sea. hope you have understood now

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I know but you do business with India and this is business.
It will benefit your economy so,it will be a good thing for all involved.

Even most of the business is done through UAE.

Suppose Greece keeps poking Turkiye, supporting terrorists like PKK kind,kills Turkish citizens on border and tries to isolate Turkiye and generally keeps barking against Turkiye on each and every forum available.

What will your govt do?

 

[BABA AGHORI]

Ooh you even dont know what Green color means, it`s mean full full national Jurisdction and soverignty feel free to read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_waters#International_waters_agreements
You need permission from Pakistan to your every sea activity in pakistan sovereign waters.
btw neither i meant by water sovereign territory nor legally stop indian ships (pakistan has full right to stop any activity in pakistan sovereign waters), but it`s true you need Pakistan Permission even with this international sea route, and there you go, India concern if india join Pakistan by Ground so it`s possible that pakistan can block indian Oil trade if there will be any war like situation, Lolz we can also block your Oil trade through sea route until you dont pay tax by using our sovereign territory either by ground or sea. hope you have understood now

And what did you understand with restrictions on national jurisdiction and sovereignty ?
Pakistan possess rights only on the natural resources of the area in question. No jurisdiction on navigation, they are equal to international waters.

Tax is just and blocking oil routes is even more

Pakistan can only object to the pipeline that it can disturb the flora and fona of the region. But that too would be nearly next to impossible to prove with substiantial evidence and more over it will hamper Qatar economic intreast aswell. And you too know Pak Qatar relations very well.

 

[ghauri05]

maybe they are planning on an underwater rail..with last stop as Chahbhar....and it will also facilitate afghanistan...i think it's Doval thinking out of box again

 

[my2cents]

How is the produce going to be still fresh by the time it reaches Turkey?

Also, grains, spices, garments, rice, leather goods, steel & cement are highly industrialized in Pakistan too while China leads in machinery & pharmaceuticals.

Plus, anything that leaves India will be heavily taxed by both China & Pakistan (to increase the cost of each commodity so that it can't compete against theirs). Afterwards, the above commodities being shipped around will have to pay the shipment price too (again, something that will increase the price). Then, the products will be competing against not only domestic but several other countries too (Turkey leads in chinaware/crockery among many other items, Iranian commodities, Chinese commodities, Pakistani commodities & so on and so forth).

We are already exporting these products ( $80 billion)to Europe and other countries in middle east by sea route. So your argument does not hold any water that we cannot compete with/without the transit. You have to understand that if you tax transit fees heavily then there is no meaning to provide the transit in the first place. Customs on goods are collected by the destination country.

 

[Itachi]

We are already exporting these products ( $80 billion)to Europe and other countries in middle east by sea route. So your argument does not hold any water that we cannot compete with/without the transit. You have to understand that if you tax transit fees heavily then their is no meaning to provide the transit in the first place. Customs on goods are collected by the destination country.

The strategy is to use mass-transit to lower the cost of domestic commodities. If India keeps using sea route, it'll be out of the game. If India uses the mass-transit route, it'll have to let go of it's hegemonic attitude & become a much more peaceful neighbor, like Japan is to China (or vice versa).

 

[BABA AGHORI]

How is the produce going to be still fresh by the time it reaches Turkey?

Also, grains, spices, garments, rice, leather goods, steel & cement are highly industrialized in Pakistan too while China leads in machinery & pharmaceuticals.

Plus, anything that leaves India will be heavily taxed by both China & Pakistan (to increase the cost of each commodity so that it can't compete against theirs). Afterwards, the above commodities being shipped around will have to pay the shipment price too (again, something that will increase the price). Then, the products will be competing against not only domestic but several other countries too (Turkey leads in chinaware/crockery among many other items, Iranian commodities, Chinese commodities, Pakistani commodities & so on and so forth).



I did, that's why I (and many other members before me) said that Pakistan won't allow India any route through it. That's why I was suggesting alternatives, silly.



Surely the cost will go down overtime. Plus, you have already mentioned that your produce cannot compete against China's. So end of story.



China first has to fulfill it's own cotton needs before exporting. Plus, look below.

Top Cotton Exports by Country
Below are the 15 countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of cotton during 2015:

1. China: US$15.8 billion (29.1% of total cotton exports)
2. India: $7.5 billion (13.8%)
3. United States: $5.9 billion (10.8%)
4. Pakistan: $3.1 billion (5.7%)
5. Hong Kong: $2.3 billion (4.3%)
6. Vietnam: $1.8 billion (3.2%)
7. Turkey: $1.7 billion (3.1%)
8. Italy: $1.5 billion (2.7%)
9. Brazil: $1.4 billion (2.7%)
10. Germany: $998.9 million (1.8%)
11. Uzbekistan: $835.4 million (1.5%)
12. Australia: $820.6 million (1.5%)
13. Indonesia: $731.6 million (1.3%)
14. Spain: $652 million (1.2%)
15. South Korea: $644.8 million (1.2%)

Despite being 4x the size of Pakistan India's cotton exports are only 2.5x higher than Pakistan's. On top of that, arable land (the is used for crops) is 47.87% of India's total land available. Pakistan's arable land is at 26.02%.

That leads to 1,423,267.5 sq km of arable land for India while for Pakistan, it's 200,581.6 sq km. So, India's arable land is 7x bigger than Pakistan's.

So, let's end our Pakistan Vs. India discussion. Let's keep it to India, shall we?

Also, when Chabahar is complete, then we can talk.



Again, your diverting from the topic & bringing in CPEC. Keep it to India & it's exports. Also, the plant being made in Iran, you think it won't be taxed? How will the fertilizer be moved back to India? Through sea? Possibly through Pakistani territorial waters (more taxes, higher costs if they avoid Pakistani waters; higher cost either way).

You get the point, hopefully.

How is the produce going to be still fresh by the time it reaches Turkey?

Also, grains, spices, garments, rice, leather goods, steel & cement are highly industrialized in Pakistan too while China leads in machinery & pharmaceuticals.

Plus, anything that leaves India will be heavily taxed by both China & Pakistan (to increase the cost of each commodity so that it can't compete against theirs). Afterwards, the above commodities being shipped around will have to pay the shipment price too (again, something that will increase the price). Then, the products will be competing against not only domestic but several other countries too (Turkey leads in chinaware/crockery among many other items, Iranian commodities, Chinese commodities, Pakistani commodities & so on and so forth).

I think you are living in a paradise ---- India do not need a over land route from Pakistan so no royalty to you. And why would china tax Indian products which will never pass through Chinese soverigen territory. Do Pakistan give a right to China to tax on it's region and do you know what it means ? And Paksitan cannot do anything on navigation on it's EEZ please read a bit more on it. Transporting through sea is 12 times less expensive than transporting through land. Baniya knows well how to compete in the market so thanks a lot on the advice.

I did, that's why I (and many other members before me) said that Pakistan won't allow India any route through it. That's why I was suggesting alternatives, silly.



Surely the cost will go down overtime. Plus, you have already mentioned that your produce cannot compete against China's. So end of story.

Worring about competition with China not about your exports ? can I know the reason ?

China first has to fulfill it's own cotton needs before exporting. Plus, look below.

Top Cotton Exports by Country
Below are the 15 countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of cotton during 2015:

1. China: US$15.8 billion (29.1% of total cotton exports)
2. India: $7.5 billion (13.8%)
3. United States: $5.9 billion (10.8%)
4. Pakistan: $3.1 billion (5.7%)
5. Hong Kong: $2.3 billion (4.3%)
6. Vietnam: $1.8 billion (3.2%)
7. Turkey: $1.7 billion (3.1%)
8. Italy: $1.5 billion (2.7%)
9. Brazil: $1.4 billion (2.7%)
10. Germany: $998.9 million (1.8%)
11. Uzbekistan: $835.4 million (1.5%)
12. Australia: $820.6 million (1.5%)
13. Indonesia: $731.6 million (1.3%)
14. Spain: $652 million (1.2%)
15. South Korea: $644.8 million (1.2%)

Despite being 4x the size of Pakistan India's cotton exports are only 2.5x higher than Pakistan's. On top of that, arable land (the is used for crops) is 47.87% of India's total land available. Pakistan's arable land is at 26.02%.

That leads to 1,423,267.5 sq km of arable land for India while for Pakistan, it's 200,581.6 sq km. So, India's arable land is 7x bigger than Pakistan's.

So, let's end our Pakistan Vs. India discussion. Let's keep it to India, shall we?

Also, when Chabahar is complete, then we can talk.

Ahh lets keep it to India and Pakistan after the complete lecture above how India has to compete with China .. very well said...
Biggest business for Paksitan has been textile for over many decades. It is the biggest employment sector too for you guy. Textile and cotton is not India's major line of business therefore we have much better things to do and our exports are far more diversed... China do buy alot of Cotton bails from India and Paksitan. And when CPEC is ready we know how it gonna help Pakistani textile industry as a whole. Selling Power at 15pkr per unit to you and supplying power to its industry at 3-4pkr.



Again, your diverting from the topic & bringing in CPEC. Keep it to India & it's exports. Also, the plant being made in Iran, you think it won't be taxed? How will the fertilizer be moved back to India? Through sea? Possibly through Pakistani territorial waters (more taxes, higher costs if they avoid Pakistani waters; higher cost either way).

Probably you would have understood from my explaination in above paragraph. But let me repeat it again. Coz we are getting gas at very affordable price in Iran. Rather than converting natural gas to LNG and transporting to India and then making fertilizer, It is far more economical to make fertilizer in Iran and then ship to India. No it won't be taxed heavily in Iran as it is a complete export unit and every country gives tax rebate on export units. Baniya calculates it better. Pakistani territorial waters is just 12 nautical miles. And we do not need to cross through it. And no one is giving you tax on EEZ navigation Time to smell coffee...

 

[shahbaz baig]

And what did you understand with restrictions on national jurisdiction and sovereignty ?
Pakistan possess rights only on the natural resources of the area in question. No jurisdiction on navigation, they are equal to international waters.

Tax is just and blocking oil routes is even more

Pakistan can only object to the pipeline that it can disturb the flora and fona of the region. But that too would be nearly next to impossible to prove with substiantial evidence and more over it will hamper Qatar economic intreast aswell. And you too know Pak Qatar relations very well.

i knew it that i will find another delusional Indian who will not provide any source as evidence but only argue like other indians.
well once you would have built these projects, we will play our role infect we are playing our role. we really want your money in chabahar port, Pipe Lines . good luck

 

[BABA AGHORI]

i knew it that i will find another delusional Indian who will not provide any source as evidence but only argue like other indians.
well once you would have built these projects, we will play our role infect we are playing our role. we really want your money in chabahar port, Pipe Lines . good luck

Your wikipedia source backfired you, there is nothing that supported your claim... my dear friend. The game has already started. And while going through the Pakistani talk shows on youtube It is clrearly visible the heat is rising. Good luck mate.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Your wikipedia source backfired you, there is nothing that supported your claim... my dear friend. The game has already started. And while going through the Pakistani talk shows on youtube It is clrearly visible the heat is rising. Good luck mate.

ooh that`s means that you think Pakistan water sovereignty is disputed like china south sea or other international sea disputed territory. so keep in delusion we never mind.