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India "Explodes" as its "Time of Reckoning" Arrives

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riaz ul haq ' why do you always post negative news when there are many positive ones too about the indian economics ? it leads to flame baits trust me & its quiet annoying. whatever the pros & cons of the indian economics are, in which way does it effects pakistan ? then why this obsession with the indian economics

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It's not a slow down.
Your industrial output contracted by 5.1% in October!
How can you call this a slow down?
 
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India's industrial output contracted by 5.1% in October, and contracted by 3.3% in the month before that.
that is definitely a collapse.
You Indian better to prepare for that big collapse going on.

Indian Economy has grown at an average of 7.5% first three quarters of this year..compared 8.5% growth rate last year..

Where as Chinese economy has grown at 9.5% in first three quarters of this year compared to 10.4% growth rate last year ..

So how do you figure that Indian economy is collapsing and Chinese is not??
 
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Based on P/E ratios, it's the Indian shares which are highly inflated. Avg PE ratio for Indian shares is 15 while Pakistan's shares trade at about 8 times earnings.

That's the reason why KSE has been consistently outperforming BSE and other BRIC indices for over 10 years.

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If so why aren't investor flocking to KSE? If returns are the only criteria on stocks then Colombo Stock Exchange – 96.0%, Tehran Stock Exchange – 68.2% are much best performing than KSE. In stock exchanges such as CSE, TSE and KSE, investors trade on volatility then on fundamentals

Moreover, it is inappropriate to compare BSE with KSE. BSE is in top ten in the world in terms of market capitalization, while KSE is nowhere near
 
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Indian Economy has grown at an average of 7.5% first three quarters of this year..compared 8.5% growth rate last year..

Where as Chinese economy has grown at 9.5% in first three quarters of this year compared to 10.4% growth rate last year ..

So how do you figure that Indian economy is collapsing and Chinese is not??
indian rupee have started collapsing by two months ago.
the collapse of indian economy has just started.
 
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The (free) fall of the Indian rupee is one of the most worrisome indicator of the Indian economy. It adds to the anxiety of foreign investor. People are going to get rid of their rupees faster and faster, devaluing it further.

The recession is going to hit everyone. India and China had just been fighting off the inevitable till now. India will be hit first, but China won't be safe either.

Its now only a question of how well these two manage through the recession.

Falling of the Indian rupee is a worrisome indicator, however till the time Indian economy is growing, there are opportunities and investors would always invest
 
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indian rupee have started collapsing by two months ago.
the collapse of indian economy has just started.

As a matter of fact INR reached its lowest point in November and now is bouncing back ..so if this were a recession..then we already in recovery mode.
 
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Work on this $1.5 billion highway in western China's Shaanxi province mostly halted after the government ran out of money. China has spent large sums to help keep its economy growing in recent years, but many local governments now face big debt burdens.:woot:
As the U.S. and Europe have struggled with debt, China has seemed to be largely immune. This fall, the European Union even asked China for financial help, but China has a debt problem of its own.

Over the past several years, local governments have run up at least $1.5 trillion in bank loans for infrastructure projects intended to prop up the nation's economic growth. Analysts think much of that money will never be repaid.

The government has become so concerned about deepening debt that it has ordered banks to cut off loans to certain local projects, including a highway that is supposed to stretch more than 60 miles in western China's Shaanxi province.

A short drive from the city of Yan'an, a 100-yard elevated section of that highway stands dormant with nothing on either side.

"From April until now, the subcontractors on this road haven't been paid any money," says Cui Jinmin, who ran a crew of about 15 workers here. "There's nothing we can do. The road's owner [the local government] has no money; we can only wait."

Cui lives in a shack with his wife, Li Na, in a muddy work camp on the edge of the orphaned stretch of highway. He says the government stopped paying his crew back in April and his workers finally gave up and left in July.

"Right now, they owe our team at least $300,000," says Cui, who watches over the heavy machinery and rusting construction materials. "Almost the entire project is halted. We've worked for so many years, this is the worst project we've ever worked on."

In fact, one worker at another section of highway became so desperate for his wages, he climbed up on a bridge pillar and threatened to jump, according to a local newspaper.

Officials here refused to discuss the project, which is supposed to connect Yan'an, the cradle of China's Communist revolution, with Wuqi, a Shaanxi county.

China's Stimulus Plan

The highway is part of a massive stimulus program China's government launched in 2008 to cushion the economy from the effects of the global financial crisis. The strategy worked, but many local governments racked up huge debts along the way.

Local governments in western China's Gansu province owe $22 billion, or 1 1/2 times their annual revenue, according to a provincial report.

Next door in Inner Mongolia, the tab is $44 billion — or about 90 percent of local revenue.

We don't really know, which is the scary thing," says Stephen Green, who heads research on Greater China at Standard Chartered Bank in Hong Kong.

Green says most projects won't be able to pay for themselves. Most highways just don't earn enough money in tolls.

Roads aren't the only problem. China's high-speed rail system has run up more than $300 billion of debt, according to China's Rail Ministry.

"The banks have stopped lending money — more or less — to the Ministry of Railways," says Green, "which means hundreds of projects around the country for high-speed rail have been slowed down or stopped."

Growing Economy Provides Cushion

If it sounds like this is all leading to a U.S. or even Greek-style debt crisis, Green says China has some big advantages. Debt makes up a smaller share of China's economy than it does in America or Greece.

Although China's economy is slowing, it is still growing faster than most. Green says China's central government will eventually have to take over many bad loans but probably has the wherewithal to avoid a banking crisis.

"Ultimately, you're going to have to go down the bailout route," he says.

Charlene Chu, who monitors Chinese banks for Fitch Ratings in Beijing, agrees. But she also sees another, potentially bigger problem ahead: real estate.

The government has put restrictions on real estate transactions to cool China's blazing property market, and sales are now falling. Earlier this week, China Vanke, one of the country's biggest real estate developers, said November sales were down by more than a third from the same time last year.

Businesses and local governments have invested heavily in China's real estate boom and are perceived to be vulnerable if prices tumble. Chu is watching to see how many won't be able to make loan payments in the coming months.

"Real estate would be extremely difficult to deal with, because that is penetrating every aspect of the economy," she says.

Back in the wilds of Shaanxi province, Cui sits and waits.

His wife passes the time doing needlepoint amid the orange glow of a space heater. Cui watches at least seven to eight hours of TV a day.

Cui says it's a miserable way to live and one he can't wait to change.

But he has no idea when construction on the highway might begin again or whether his crew will ever return.

China has oready started to come down...get your pen working now Mr.Haq :enjoy:


http://www.npr.org/2011/12/12/143305690/despite-growth-china-too-faces-debt-problems
 
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I think it's india should care about the dollar debt,not china.china government can print as much RMB as they wish,but you indian can't print dollars.
 
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I think it's india should care about the dollar debt,not china.china government can print as much RMB as they wish,but you indian can't print dollars.

you're really running the risk of showing how much of a noob you are with respect to these things... now you're equating the RMB to the US Dollar (the worlds reserve currency and home of the risk free rate).

Lets keep this discussion plain and simple, export is still a huge percentage of your economy -think of what a second recession in the west will do to you guys. no more demand for your cheap sweatshop made goods

secondly, that will trigger a loss of confidence in China's economy and lead to massive capital outflows... your govt already injected massive amounts of liquidity into the system and caused incredible asset price inflation. they know they cant inject again or they risk creating a gigantic bubble...

and u want to talk about printing as much RMB as you want? LOL

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indian rupee have started collapsing by two months ago.
the collapse of indian economy has just started.

coming from someone in China? home of the world's latest and largest bubble? lets talk again in 6 months time L:)
 
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