"INDIA DOCTRINE-Some Info on the collaborators/contributors"

[ahmeddsid]

stay on topic gentlemen

lol when cinema comes in, my eyes flicker and i forget the whole world! thanks for the reality check though!

 

[Kharian_Beast]

^ You are in the wrong forum chap.

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[Vinod2070]

Ahmeddsid, this frivolous book by a frivolous mind in collaboration with some more frivolous idiots doesn't merit this attention.

I glanced at the internet edition and it looked like a copy paste job from several frivolous sources.

 

[ahmeddsid]

Ahmeddsid, this frivolous book by a frivolous mind in collaboration with some more frivolous idiots doesn't merit this attention.

I glanced at the internet edition and it looked like a copy paste job from several frivolous sources.

Sir Vinod, I started this thread because a certain supporter of Mr Munshi had the balls to say that Mr Munshi is more renowned (to that effect) than Robert Fisk- THE ROBERT FISK!!!! I couldnt take it in my stride because Fisk is someone more than just a Great Journalist to me. I wanted to disprove certain claims made by Munshi and Co, hence this Thread.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Sir Vinod, I started this thread because a certain supporter of Mr Munshi had the balls to say that Mr Munshi is more renowned (to that effect) than Robert Fisk- THE ROBERT FISK!!!! I couldnt take it in my stride because Fisk is someone more than just a Great Journalist to me. I wanted to disprove certain claims made by Munshi and Co, hence this Thread.

If he's referring to me (this loser has me on ignore) then it's a blatant lie as I have never mentioned the name Fisk in the entire forum, please do search through my posts. All I have done is stand up for Munshi bahi as he has come under daily attack with childish arguments from childish members racing for that seniority spot, drenching us with low quality posts in the process.

He pretends that Robert Fisk was one of his school mates or something, which I highly doubt. Seeing someone on television does not merit a mutual relationship.

 

[Vinod2070]

Just look at the pathetic attempts at self promotion on this forum and you can see that he is well known only to himself!

I doubt there is a single person on this forum (and this after all the self promotion in the world) who has read this book or even heard of it outside this forum. The only thing the internet seems to bring is the cookie jar issue!

He is trying to get notoriety by the pathetic attempts at bashing India and acting like a snake (biting the hand that feeds you, or cursing the country that liberated and helped in giving birth to his country).

Just hear the words of the Bangladeshi high commissioner to India at the time. They are very near the beginning of the video.

See the difference in attitude! You can see what a single stupid person can do to demolish the image of a country!

PS: I see that the video has been removed now. The speech by the ambassador was really moving.

 

[rubyjackass]

Suresh Gopi!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ooo...
Rakshakan?!!
Black Cat?!!

 

[SurvivoR]

Just look at the pathetic attempts at self promotion on this forum and you can see that he is well known only to himself!

I doubt there is a single person on this forum (and this after all the self promotion in the world) who has read this book or even heard of it outside this forum. The only thing the internet seems to bring is the cookie jar issue!

He is trying to get notoriety by the pathetic attempts at bashing India and acting like a snake (biting the hand that feeds you, or cursing the country that liberated and helped in giving birth to his country).

Just hear the words of the Bangladeshi high commissioner to India at the time. They are very near the beginning of the video.

See the difference in attitude! You can see what a single stupid person can do to demolish the image of a country!

PS: I see that the video has been removed now. The speech by the ambassador was really moving.

And Indians are not doing any Pakistan bashing or Bangladesh bashing. OHMG. Look at the difference. Bashing any country on forums is not new but starting an entire thread just to bash a member is indeed new which can only be attributed to Indians here.

If Munshi has posted information about his book here on the forum then it is not something unusual because his book is available in the international market.

If Indians can post and promote crap from crap bollywood then why one can not promote a good work or a book.
Your reply shows more frustration than any logical argument if Munshi is more known to himself only then why Indians are taking so much pain to start a separate thread to bash Munshi.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

For such a book described by these Indians as nonsense they have talked the subject to death. If this is how they want to kill a book they are going the wrong way about it. Now we have thousands of readers thinking what is in this book that has got the Indians shitting themselves. Anyway, while we figure that out this was written in response to the post of Sohail Taj just a few pages ago -

A promoter of Indian hegemonism in Bangladesh

Wednesday August 27 2008 15:27:33 PM BDT

By Zoglul Husain, UK

I refer to the article in NFB titled “The Intellectual Blueprint of the Neo-Razakars” by Sohail Tajul Islam, published on August 25, 2008 in the Reader’s Opinion section. The writer introduced himself as a student of Imperial College, London: (E Mail: sohailtaj2008@gmail.com).

To Sohail Tajul Islam, any one who stands for the independence and sovereignty of Bangladesh is a ‘neo-rajakar’. He has listed many writers and newspapers as anti-India and to whom, in his opinion, his title of ‘neo-rajakar’ applies. It is possible that he has been prompted by his backers from dark corners to produce this list. However, anti-hegemonism is not the same as anti-India, and anti-imperialism is not the same as anti-America, and any conscious person should steadfastly struggle against imperialism, hegemonism, inequality and exploitation.

Without going into details, it needs to be mentioned that we wanted independence for one reason, but India wanted to divide Pakistan for another reason, with their ulterior motive of reducing Bangladesh to a vassal state and finally annexing it to India as a dependent state. Sohail Tajul Islam wants us to be grateful to India for 1971 and he then, what is more, wants us to surrender our independence to India. But what has he got to say about the plunder of Bangladesh by India after 16 December 1971, the permanent massive damage to Bangladesh by Farakka barrage, the raising of Rakkhi Bahini who ruthlessly massacred 30 thousand patriots (half of them of JSD) and established a reign of terror to bring Bangladesh to its knees in front of India, the killings of hundreds of villagers at the border, the uneven trade of India with Bangladesh with which billions of dollars are being plundered by India from Bangladesh every year, etc., etc.? How is Bangladesh going to be compensated for the losses of these valuable lives, the massive permanent damages and the huge plunders? But as regards the people of India, we of course promote the people-to-people solidarity between all the countries of the world and we support the struggles for the emancipation of the people in all countries.

Sohail Tajul Islam also terms the book, “The India Doctrine” edited by Barrister MBI Munshi, as “The Intellectual Blueprint of the Neo-Razakars”. He offers neither arguments nor logic, but dishes out abusive expressions and personal attacks.

There cannot be any doubt that Sohail Tajul Islam is a promoter of Indian hegemonism in Bangladesh. Actually he goes more than most in his submission, and he invites others to submit, to his hegemonic masters when he concludes: “It is without doubt India that will emerge as the regional superpower and elites in Pakistan and Bangladesh better come to recognize that reality or both countries will suffer the consequences. Both Pakistan and Bangladesh are too weak and internally divided to pose a threat to India's rise so why foster dreams based on an ill-conceived religious division which has done more harm than good. The meaning of Islam is submission so both countries should gracefully submit!“ No doubt he is a promoter of “Akhand Bharat” (undivided India), which MBI Munshi and other writers of the book, The India Doctrine, have taken pains to explain precisely the concept of and the Indian operations thereof since 1947.

Thus, according to Sohail Tajul Islam, the two-nation theory, on the basis of which British India was partitioned was “an ill-conceived religious division which has done more harm than good” and that both Bangladesh and Pakistan should submit their independence to India!! And in his supreme wisdom (!), he says: “The meaning of Islam is submission so both countries should gracefully submit!“

After this, the writer could be totally ignored and brushed off. But for the sake of our respected and patient readers, and for the sake of the writer too, a few points need to be mentioned. Firstly, weak nations can certainly defeat strong nations. It is the weak nations who smashed colonialism to smithereens! Again, weak nations like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, many countries in Latin America and many other countries of the world have defeated imperialism. So, threat to other countries of South Asia about the potential super power of India is futile and counter-productive in a world, where weak nations refuse to be cowed down even by the hyper power, the USA. On the other hand, India is beset with huge problems of poverty, inequality and strife, which are no better than the situation in Bangladesh.

Secondly, it was over-riding socio-economic and political necessities with the tag of ‘two-nation theory’ which led to the partition of British India. Even the Communist Party of India (CPI) in 1942 supported the movement for Pakistan i.e., supported the partition of British India on the basis of ‘two nation theory’. As Sohail Tajul Islam is a college student, he can study these in detail, and of course CPI is no less secular than what he professes to be as his main contention. Just a reminder to him that secularism is not the same as servitude or prostrating to Indian hegemonism.

Thirdly, when he says, “The meaning of Islam is submission so both countries should gracefully submit“ (their independence to India), he distorts and abuses the ‘meaning’ of Islam. He has actually insulted a faith, without understanding the implication of what he is saying. He seems to be utterly confounded in his thoughts on religion. One should be very careful about making any statement about any religion. “Islamic theology says that all of God's messengers since Adam preached the message of Islam—submission to the will of God” (Wikipedia). So, it is submission to the will of God, not to the devil of Indian hegemonism!

Fourthly and finally, I assume Sohail Tajul Islam is a normal-age college student and not what is termed as a ‘mature student’. So, at his formative tender age, I will not describe him as a national-traitor or accuse him of insulting religion, except that I will take him to be grossly misguided by vested interest groups. I think it would be right to give him a stark warning that unless he makes amends and cleans up his ways and comes out of the network of RAW, he will be destined to reap the bitter harvest of the wrath of the people of Bangladesh as well as the wrath of the right-minded people of India and other peoples of South Asia, however endearing his writings may be to the hegemonists of India and their lackeys in India, Bangladesh and elsewhere in South Asia or rest of the world.

http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=218123

 

[ahmeddsid]

For such a book described by these Indians as nonsense they have talked the subject to death. If this is how they want to kill a book they are going the wrong way about it. Now we have thousands of readers thinking what is in this book that has got the Indians shitting themselves. Anyway, while we figure that out this was written in response to the post of Sohail Taj just a few pages ago -

A promoter of Indian hegemonism in Bangladesh

Wednesday August 27 2008 15:27:33 PM BDT

By Zoglul Husain, UK

I refer to the article in NFB titled “The Intellectual Blueprint of the Neo-Razakars” by Sohail Tajul Islam, published on August 25, 2008 in the Reader’s Opinion section. The writer introduced himself as a student of Imperial College, London: (E Mail: sohailtaj2008@gmail.com).

To Sohail Tajul Islam, any one who stands for the independence and sovereignty of Bangladesh is a ‘neo-rajakar’. He has listed many writers and newspapers as anti-India and to whom, in his opinion, his title of ‘neo-rajakar’ applies. It is possible that he has been prompted by his backers from dark corners to produce this list. However, anti-hegemonism is not the same as anti-India, and anti-imperialism is not the same as anti-America, and any conscious person should steadfastly struggle against imperialism, hegemonism, inequality and exploitation.

Without going into details, it needs to be mentioned that we wanted independence for one reason, but India wanted to divide Pakistan for another reason, with their ulterior motive of reducing Bangladesh to a vassal state and finally annexing it to India as a dependent state. Sohail Tajul Islam wants us to be grateful to India for 1971 and he then, what is more, wants us to surrender our independence to India. But what has he got to say about the plunder of Bangladesh by India after 16 December 1971, the permanent massive damage to Bangladesh by Farakka barrage, the raising of Rakkhi Bahini who ruthlessly massacred 30 thousand patriots (half of them of JSD) and established a reign of terror to bring Bangladesh to its knees in front of India, the killings of hundreds of villagers at the border, the uneven trade of India with Bangladesh with which billions of dollars are being plundered by India from Bangladesh every year, etc., etc.? How is Bangladesh going to be compensated for the losses of these valuable lives, the massive permanent damages and the huge plunders? But as regards the people of India, we of course promote the people-to-people solidarity between all the countries of the world and we support the struggles for the emancipation of the people in all countries.

Sohail Tajul Islam also terms the book, “The India Doctrine” edited by Barrister MBI Munshi, as “The Intellectual Blueprint of the Neo-Razakars”. He offers neither arguments nor logic, but dishes out abusive expressions and personal attacks.

There cannot be any doubt that Sohail Tajul Islam is a promoter of Indian hegemonism in Bangladesh. Actually he goes more than most in his submission, and he invites others to submit, to his hegemonic masters when he concludes: “It is without doubt India that will emerge as the regional superpower and elites in Pakistan and Bangladesh better come to recognize that reality or both countries will suffer the consequences. Both Pakistan and Bangladesh are too weak and internally divided to pose a threat to India's rise so why foster dreams based on an ill-conceived religious division which has done more harm than good. The meaning of Islam is submission so both countries should gracefully submit!“ No doubt he is a promoter of “Akhand Bharat” (undivided India), which MBI Munshi and other writers of the book, The India Doctrine, have taken pains to explain precisely the concept of and the Indian operations thereof since 1947.

Thus, according to Sohail Tajul Islam, the two-nation theory, on the basis of which British India was partitioned was “an ill-conceived religious division which has done more harm than good” and that both Bangladesh and Pakistan should submit their independence to India!! And in his supreme wisdom (!), he says: “The meaning of Islam is submission so both countries should gracefully submit!“

After this, the writer could be totally ignored and brushed off. But for the sake of our respected and patient readers, and for the sake of the writer too, a few points need to be mentioned. Firstly, weak nations can certainly defeat strong nations. It is the weak nations who smashed colonialism to smithereens! Again, weak nations like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, many countries in Latin America and many other countries of the world have defeated imperialism. So, threat to other countries of South Asia about the potential super power of India is futile and counter-productive in a world, where weak nations refuse to be cowed down even by the hyper power, the USA. On the other hand, India is beset with huge problems of poverty, inequality and strife, which are no better than the situation in Bangladesh.

Secondly, it was over-riding socio-economic and political necessities with the tag of ‘two-nation theory’ which led to the partition of British India. Even the Communist Party of India (CPI) in 1942 supported the movement for Pakistan i.e., supported the partition of British India on the basis of ‘two nation theory’. As Sohail Tajul Islam is a college student, he can study these in detail, and of course CPI is no less secular than what he professes to be as his main contention. Just a reminder to him that secularism is not the same as servitude or prostrating to Indian hegemonism.

Thirdly, when he says, “The meaning of Islam is submission so both countries should gracefully submit“ (their independence to India), he distorts and abuses the ‘meaning’ of Islam. He has actually insulted a faith, without understanding the implication of what he is saying. He seems to be utterly confounded in his thoughts on religion. One should be very careful about making any statement about any religion. “Islamic theology says that all of God's messengers since Adam preached the message of Islam—submission to the will of God” (Wikipedia). So, it is submission to the will of God, not to the devil of Indian hegemonism!

Fourthly and finally, I assume Sohail Tajul Islam is a normal-age college student and not what is termed as a ‘mature student’. So, at his formative tender age, I will not describe him as a national-traitor or accuse him of insulting religion, except that I will take him to be grossly misguided by vested interest groups. I think it would be right to give him a stark warning that unless he makes amends and cleans up his ways and comes out of the network of RAW, he will be destined to reap the bitter harvest of the wrath of the people of Bangladesh as well as the wrath of the right-minded people of India and other peoples of South Asia, however endearing his writings may be to the hegemonists of India and their lackeys in India, Bangladesh and elsewhere in South Asia or rest of the world.

http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=218123

RAW RAW RAW!!! For Petes Sake!! RAW is not that Great that it infiltrates each and every nook and corner (dark corners???)

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Your reply shows more frustration than any logical argument if Munshi is more known to himself only then why Indians are taking so much pain to start a separate thread to bash Munshi.

My point exactly. Why are the Indians according me so much free publicity? It just shows they are worried about something.

 

[Vinod2070]

Your reply shows more frustration than any logical argument if Munshi is more known to himself only then why Indians are taking so much pain to start a separate thread to bash Munshi.

Well, I will never bother with anything like that. Ahmeddsid is on my buddy list and I wanted him to avoid such a topic as well.

Just not worth the effort in my opinion. There are more important issues where we all can spend our efforts better.

 

[valkyr]

My point exactly. Why are the Indians according me so much free publicity? It just shows they are worried about something.

I agree there is lot to be worried about...............

atleast I am scared of massive amounts of ignorants believing what you have attributed to RAW and India ........ that shall be a tragedy ..... for you will reward someone who DOES NOT WORK AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kharian_Beast]

I agree there is lot to be worried about...............

atleast I am scared of massive amounts of ignorants believing what you have attributed to RAW and India ........ that shall be a tragedy ..... for you will reward someone who DOES NOT WORK AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you are being sarcastic, RAW isn't an innocent child holding a lollipop in it's hand spreading peace love and psychadelics to everyone, this is the real tragedy some people believe in.

 

[valkyr]

For such a book described by these Indians as nonsense they have talked the subject to death. If this is how they want to kill a book they are going the wrong way about it. Now we have thousands of readers thinking what is in this book that has got the Indians shitting themselves. Anyway, while we figure that out this was written in response to the post of Sohail Taj just a few pages ago -

my point exactly m'lord

Indians are incapable of doing anything without really jerking it up the wrong way ..... and yet you have attributed so much capabilities to India? Not rationale if you ask me .....


Without going into details, it needs to be mentioned that we wanted independence for one reason, but India wanted to divide Pakistan for another reason, with their ulterior motive of reducing Bangladesh to a vassal state and finally annexing it to India as a dependent state. Sohail Tajul Islam wants us to be grateful to India for 1971 and he then, what is more, wants us to surrender our independence to India. But what has he got to say about the plunder of Bangladesh by India after 16 December 1971, the permanent massive damage to Bangladesh by Farakka barrage, the raising of Rakkhi Bahini who ruthlessly massacred 30 thousand patriots (half of them of JSD) and established a reign of terror to bring Bangladesh to its knees in front of India, the killings of hundreds of villagers at the border, the uneven trade of India with Bangladesh with which billions of dollars are being plundered by India from Bangladesh every year, etc., etc.? How is Bangladesh going to be compensated for the losses of these valuable lives, the massive permanent damages and the huge plunders? But as regards the people of India, we of course promote the people-to-people solidarity between all the countries of the world and we support the struggles for the emancipation of the people in all countries.

are you trying to say India wants to incorporate B'desh? Now that is a real utopian idea you have ..... why would have India given freedom in first place then in '71? Agreed that it wanted to divide Pakistan (and still would love to do so if was in interest today) but beyond that there was no reason ..... plainly put, too huge a population which is toooooooooo damn poor and is a drain on what resources India does spend on its every expanding population which is just about meager if not non-existent. Add to that, Bangladeshis freely settle in assam and all over india working at wages lower than Biharis and are grateful to work, for they get to eat then, what do you have in B'desh? (hint nothing) and please it would be madness to incorporate B'desh into India ...... its a drain on resources at best. sorry but that is true.

the rest is at best .... worth toilet paper....and lets not even get started on RAW again for GODS SAKE!!!!!!

I mean there is a limit to delusions ......... and somatisations