India Developing, but still a long way to go

[I.R.A]

India's problems are not as grave and it is developing at a faster rate. It's future looks brighter. "Islamic" societies have always faltered and descended into chaos unless artificially kept afloat by resource extraction.

Pakistan has no such advantage. India and Pakistan are NOT equals. India is a better country with better, more sensible and liberal people with vastly superior democratic traditions

ok.

 

[MULUBJA]

They busy selling in India.....Maruti is selling more cars than mother company Suzuki

Ya double than parent suzuki.

Satya Sai Hospital. All major operations are done free here. Paople across India and world benefits from free medical services.

India’s Free Specialty Hospitals Combine Medicine With Mindfulness
Sunil Shenoy, (INSEAD EMBA 2015D) | January 17, 2017


358
image: https://knowledge.insead.edu/sites/...01/super_specialty_hospital.jpg?itok=CnsVmN5n

How a pair of Indian hospitals have made no-cost surgery a sustainable healthcare paradigm.

In 2015, as I was in the midst of completing my INSEAD EMBA, I had an experience that I consider nothing short of a miracle. Racked by debilitating back pain, I reluctantly consulted a neurosurgeon, who told me that I required prompt surgery to address a seriously prolapsed disc. As is wise practice in my home country of India, where private doctors sometimes recommend procedures out of pecuniary motives, I sought out second and third opinions. All three doctors said the same thing: Either have the operation or risk paralysis.

Then I remembered my friend, a neurosurgeon employed at the Sri Sathya Sai Super Specialty Hospital in Bangalore. Choosing to have my procedure done there made perfect sense, as I have been a spiritual follower of the hospital’s founder and namesake since 2009. “Just come here and let’s do it,” my friend urged.

Set in a sprawling 52-acre complex, the hospital is like no healthcare facility I had ever been to. The placid, contemplative atmosphere pervading the place is akin to that of a temple. Patients are greeted not by harried and underpaid reception staff but by volunteers who come to the hospital in the spirit of “seva”, or selfless service, one of the central values extolled by Sri Sathya Sai Baba. Here, medicine is practiced as pure healing with no profit motive. Patients pay nothing for the world-class services received – including procedures that would easily cost tens of thousands of dollars at a hospital in the United States – regardless of their nationality, religious affiliation or financial circumstances.

Perhaps most impressively, the hospital is not scrambling to survive from month to month but has kept its costs tightly controlled since it opened its doors. In other words, it presents a sustainable and replicable alternative to the deeply troubled healthcare paradigms currently in use in both the developed and developing worlds.

Historical background

Established in 2001, the Bangalore hospital is the newer of two surgical facilities under the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences (SSSIHMS). The first opened in Sathya Sai Baba’s birthplace of Puttaparthi in 1991. Both specialty hospitals exist in a sort of hub-and-spoke network with the Institute’s two general hospitals and two mobile hospitals, which also conform to the Institute’s mandate of providing free healthcare for all. Together, the two hospitals offer cardiology, cardio-thoracic and vascular surgery, neurology and neurosurgery, urology, ophthalmology, plastic surgery, orthopaedics and gastroenterology services.

As of March 2015, 46,535 cardiology procedures and 20,720 neurology procedures had been performed at the Bangalore facility, with a mortality rate (0.87%) lower than the average for a hospital in the developed world, and far better than the dismal average rate for hospitals in India.

How it adds up

Of course, readers will want to know how an organisation can dispense tertiary care at no cost to the patient for 15 years without committing financial suicide. Crucially, the land for the super-specialty hospital for Bangalore was donated by the state government. Beyond that, however, the public-sector contribution is minimal. The Bangalore facility draws its operating budget from the interest income generated from the Sathya Sai Central Trust’s corpus fund that, at its inception in 1990, comprised USD$55 million in unsolicited donations received from individuals and institutions across the world.

Amazingly, despite a strict fundraising ban set down by the Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, the corpus has steadily expanded over the last quarter-century.

Sathya Sai Baba’s ambitious project has been sustained by innovative and effective cost management; accordingly, at SSSIHMS, major medical decisions, including the length of post-operative stay for a given patient, are made based on evidence-based standards of care and are not biased by cost or insurance status. I experienced it first-hand during my time at the hospital. Had I undergone the exact same procedure in a Western hospital, I would likely have been held for up to five days of observation. At Sri Sathya Sai, I was discharged less than 24 hours after leaving the operating room. Hospital staff were in touch with me by telephone throughout my recovery. Not once did I feel my care had been compromised.

Costs are assessed at three levels: at point-of-service delivery (OR, ICU, ward, outpatient clinic); average per-episode cost (intervention and stay) computed by surgery type; and on a per-consultation basis at the outpatient clinic. Equipment and materials expenses are controlled by a centralised procurement system which all SSSIHMS facilities are plugged into. Additionally, the organisation is continually developing its own innovations, such as a custom-built inventory management system. In his spare time, the surgeon who performed my procedure is working on a machine-learning algorithm to make surgeries more cost-effective.

Incentives also play a significant role in holding down costs. In place of the volume-based incentives staff are often subject to in for-profit hospitals, SSSIHMS applies a fixed-salary approach (pegged to industry norms) across the board.

The power of mindfulness

Underlying the hospitals’ guiding principle is Sathya Sai Baba’s dictum of “Love All, Serve All.” Baba taught that proper healthcare is a human right that professionals should deliver without concern for anything but the patient’s needs. All other factors – such as profit or passing trends in medical technology – have no place in a hospital.

You could call this mindfulness – full mental immersion in what really matters, with no room for distractions. Just as easily, you could relate it to Michael Porter’s call for the industry to move from a “supply-driven model organised around what physicians do [to a system] organised around what patients need.”

Either way, Sathya Sai Baba’s message helps attract leading physicians and surgeons from around the globe to spend part of their year working as volunteer consultants at the hospital. Some are followers of the guru; some are not. What they have in common, I think, is the recognition that in order to live extraordinary lives, we need extraordinary values. The volunteers – doctors and non-doctors alike – cherish the opportunity to work in an environment that allows for the disinterested pursuit of excellence and the realization of human-focused values.

Wherever such an opportunity exists, standout talents will seize it. That is the main reason why (though it may not be the sole paradigm needed for healthcare reform) the Sathya Sai Baba model could be replicated in other contexts, serving as part of the solution to our current crisis.

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Kiran Hospital Surat.

If lady delivers girl child, their total treatment including pre and post delivery treatment shall be free. In addition, Rs 10000 bond shall be given to mother as the gift to be a mother of girl child.

http://www.kiranhospital.com/

 

[MULUBJA]

Shankar Netralay.

Landmark eye hospitals of India for Free eye treatment and operations.

http://www.missionforvision.org.in/mfv-india-partners-expert-partners.html

LV Prasad Eye Hospital.

Ram krishna mission eye hospital

Shankara Eye Hospital Koimbtore.

Kokila ben Ambani Hospital.

 

[MULUBJA]

 

[rishav]

ok.

mature reply

 

[patentneer]

They have their problems and we have our problems, they are huge population compared to us ........ both are not living in a hell like conditions. So I fail to see what is the point of proving my D is bigger than you? Have they finally achieved the best for them?

^^^
May I, re: population explosion India and Bangladesh have got a handle on growth. Therefore, both are witness to and actually slightly gaining from a population dividend Vs. Pakistan's population explosion which is actually starting to slightly hold Pakistan back. Pakistan was rich at partition with mostly Punjab and Sindh with linkages to the major urban centers of Lahore, Lyallpur, Hyderabad and of course Karachi.

Note that India and Bangladesh were classically over-populated re: per capita resource allocation Vs. sparsely populated Pakistan with said major developed metropolises and cities. Population in Pakistan is a hidden problem as it is not an main issue within Pakistan polity re: the projection and narrative

• of 'dark, dirty, over-populated Hindoo, even Bongoli'

As we move forward, Pakistan will play catch-up to land-reforms, labour reforms and other mega nation building reforms issues re: equitable deconstruction and then re-distribution of national resources.

In the meantime, all three India-Pakistan-Bangladesh-Afghanistan remain skewed and elitist democracies, except India is far ahead and Bangladesh is coming up fast and Pakistan and Afghanistan will take much longer to the path of an inclusive, America/UK/Germany style constitutional, democratic truly developed nation state.

 

[I.R.A]

Pakistan was rich at partition with mostly Punjab and Sindh with linkages to the major urban centers of Lahore, Lyallpur, Hyderabad and of course Karachi.

I don't know what's your source of Pakistan being rich at time of partition, however, its not correct. Gandhi I guess went on hunger strike to get Pakistan its share of the money? And all those migrants coming, administration problems lack of staff etc point to a poor newly found country, that would collapse in a year or two.

In the meantime, all three India-Pakistan-Bangladesh-Afghanistan remain skewed and elitist democracies, except India is far ahead and Bangladesh is coming up fast and Pakistan and Afghanistan will take much longer to the path of an inclusive, America/UK/Germany style constitutional, democratic truly developed nation state.

You are missing a very crucial point here, Pakistan has started recognising its problems and issues, public is now more aware and open, it has practically fought wars against its evils, we are probably going back to being a society that we were in 60s .......... on the other hand india, bangladesh will one day face their evils and its not easy fighting your own ...... na you can't stay there are no signs of extremism, intolerance in your countries, there ... I won't comment on Afghanistan, but your tries to equate Pakistan and Afghanistan are either malicious or based on ignorance of the ground realities.

 

[patentneer]

I don't know what's your source of Pakistan being rich at time of partition, however, its not correct. Gandhi I guess went on hunger strike to get Pakistan its share of the money? And all those migrants coming, administration problems lack of staff etc point to a poor newly found country, that would collapse in a year or two.



You are missing a very crucial point here, Pakistan has started recognising its problems and issues, public is now more aware and open, it has practically fought wars against its evils, we are probably going back to being a society that we were in 60s .......... on the other hand india, bangladesh will one day face their evils and its not easy fighting your own ...... na you can't stay there are no signs of extremism, intolerance in your countries, there ... I won't comment on Afghanistan, but your tries to equate Pakistan and Afghanistan are either malicious or based on ignorance of the ground realities.

^^^
In the Indo-Pak. context, the agri. economy of Pak. - Punjab and Sindh.@ partition Vs. say - Bengal, Orissa and MP in India back then.

Yes, politico-spiritual-economic transformation means the world's largest (India's) middle-class is moving towards a clean, green, financial and investment driven model.

Personally, I think that Globalisation and it's institutional framework (I'm not kidding) of India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Pakistan will merge and collaborate with Global peers to do their thing. Said evils will dilute unless provocation is the issue, ... which I doubt very much re: hi-tech surveillance, command and control issues.

Meanwhile, the present day thing will continue. India's focus is self-development, like China. The continuing joy and prosperity of the masses of India and China drives the politics of these two mega states. Neither is there yet.

India's issues with Pak. Vs. China's issues Vs. Russia or Japan, never mind India or US, UK or France or Germany ... see my point ?

The next generation, is to watch. Education being the main DING !

 

[SleeveofWizard]

India's problems are not as grave and it is developing at a faster rate. It's future looks brighter. "Islamic" societies have always faltered and descended into chaos unless artificially kept afloat by resource extraction.

Pakistan has no such advantage. India and Pakistan are NOT equals. India is a better country with better, more sensible and liberal people with vastly superior democratic traditions

That's not really true. Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Albania, Central Asian countries are all successful muslim countries. There are more examples too. As long as there is separation between religion and politics, all societies can develop.

Ya double than parent suzuki.

Satya Sai Hospital. All major operations are done free here. Paople across India and world benefits from free medical services.

India’s Free Specialty Hospitals Combine Medicine With Mindfulness
Sunil Shenoy, (INSEAD EMBA 2015D) | January 17, 2017


358
image: https://knowledge.insead.edu/sites/...01/super_specialty_hospital.jpg?itok=CnsVmN5n

How a pair of Indian hospitals have made no-cost surgery a sustainable healthcare paradigm.

In 2015, as I was in the midst of completing my INSEAD EMBA, I had an experience that I consider nothing short of a miracle. Racked by debilitating back pain, I reluctantly consulted a neurosurgeon, who told me that I required prompt surgery to address a seriously prolapsed disc. As is wise practice in my home country of India, where private doctors sometimes recommend procedures out of pecuniary motives, I sought out second and third opinions. All three doctors said the same thing: Either have the operation or risk paralysis.

Then I remembered my friend, a neurosurgeon employed at the Sri Sathya Sai Super Specialty Hospital in Bangalore. Choosing to have my procedure done there made perfect sense, as I have been a spiritual follower of the hospital’s founder and namesake since 2009. “Just come here and let’s do it,” my friend urged.

Set in a sprawling 52-acre complex, the hospital is like no healthcare facility I had ever been to. The placid, contemplative atmosphere pervading the place is akin to that of a temple. Patients are greeted not by harried and underpaid reception staff but by volunteers who come to the hospital in the spirit of “seva”, or selfless service, one of the central values extolled by Sri Sathya Sai Baba. Here, medicine is practiced as pure healing with no profit motive. Patients pay nothing for the world-class services received – including procedures that would easily cost tens of thousands of dollars at a hospital in the United States – regardless of their nationality, religious affiliation or financial circumstances.

Perhaps most impressively, the hospital is not scrambling to survive from month to month but has kept its costs tightly controlled since it opened its doors. In other words, it presents a sustainable and replicable alternative to the deeply troubled healthcare paradigms currently in use in both the developed and developing worlds.

Historical background

Established in 2001, the Bangalore hospital is the newer of two surgical facilities under the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences (SSSIHMS). The first opened in Sathya Sai Baba’s birthplace of Puttaparthi in 1991. Both specialty hospitals exist in a sort of hub-and-spoke network with the Institute’s two general hospitals and two mobile hospitals, which also conform to the Institute’s mandate of providing free healthcare for all. Together, the two hospitals offer cardiology, cardio-thoracic and vascular surgery, neurology and neurosurgery, urology, ophthalmology, plastic surgery, orthopaedics and gastroenterology services.

As of March 2015, 46,535 cardiology procedures and 20,720 neurology procedures had been performed at the Bangalore facility, with a mortality rate (0.87%) lower than the average for a hospital in the developed world, and far better than the dismal average rate for hospitals in India.

How it adds up

Of course, readers will want to know how an organisation can dispense tertiary care at no cost to the patient for 15 years without committing financial suicide. Crucially, the land for the super-specialty hospital for Bangalore was donated by the state government. Beyond that, however, the public-sector contribution is minimal. The Bangalore facility draws its operating budget from the interest income generated from the Sathya Sai Central Trust’s corpus fund that, at its inception in 1990, comprised USD$55 million in unsolicited donations received from individuals and institutions across the world.

Amazingly, despite a strict fundraising ban set down by the Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, the corpus has steadily expanded over the last quarter-century.

Sathya Sai Baba’s ambitious project has been sustained by innovative and effective cost management; accordingly, at SSSIHMS, major medical decisions, including the length of post-operative stay for a given patient, are made based on evidence-based standards of care and are not biased by cost or insurance status. I experienced it first-hand during my time at the hospital. Had I undergone the exact same procedure in a Western hospital, I would likely have been held for up to five days of observation. At Sri Sathya Sai, I was discharged less than 24 hours after leaving the operating room. Hospital staff were in touch with me by telephone throughout my recovery. Not once did I feel my care had been compromised.

Costs are assessed at three levels: at point-of-service delivery (OR, ICU, ward, outpatient clinic); average per-episode cost (intervention and stay) computed by surgery type; and on a per-consultation basis at the outpatient clinic. Equipment and materials expenses are controlled by a centralised procurement system which all SSSIHMS facilities are plugged into. Additionally, the organisation is continually developing its own innovations, such as a custom-built inventory management system. In his spare time, the surgeon who performed my procedure is working on a machine-learning algorithm to make surgeries more cost-effective.

Incentives also play a significant role in holding down costs. In place of the volume-based incentives staff are often subject to in for-profit hospitals, SSSIHMS applies a fixed-salary approach (pegged to industry norms) across the board.

The power of mindfulness

Underlying the hospitals’ guiding principle is Sathya Sai Baba’s dictum of “Love All, Serve All.” Baba taught that proper healthcare is a human right that professionals should deliver without concern for anything but the patient’s needs. All other factors – such as profit or passing trends in medical technology – have no place in a hospital.

You could call this mindfulness – full mental immersion in what really matters, with no room for distractions. Just as easily, you could relate it to Michael Porter’s call for the industry to move from a “supply-driven model organised around what physicians do [to a system] organised around what patients need.”

Either way, Sathya Sai Baba’s message helps attract leading physicians and surgeons from around the globe to spend part of their year working as volunteer consultants at the hospital. Some are followers of the guru; some are not. What they have in common, I think, is the recognition that in order to live extraordinary lives, we need extraordinary values. The volunteers – doctors and non-doctors alike – cherish the opportunity to work in an environment that allows for the disinterested pursuit of excellence and the realization of human-focused values.

Wherever such an opportunity exists, standout talents will seize it. That is the main reason why (though it may not be the sole paradigm needed for healthcare reform) the Sathya Sai Baba model could be replicated in other contexts, serving as part of the solution to our current crisis.

Follow INSEAD Knowledge on Twitter and Facebook


Read more at https://knowledge.insead.edu/blog/i...ine-with-mindfulness-5155#CmEiTjfs03HcoBAJ.99

Kiran Hospital Surat.

If lady delivers girl child, their total treatment including pre and post delivery treatment shall be free. In addition, Rs 10000 bond shall be given to mother as the gift to be a mother of girl child.

http://www.kiranhospital.com/

You will have to be very lucky to get treated in such hospitals due to a long wait list. For most of India's population, this is what they have to deal with

http://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...dengue-gurgaon-dengue-death-adya-singh/130584

18 lakhs for dengue treatment, lol what a joke, and still the baby died. Unless you are smart these hospitals and doctors will suck every last penny out of you. Medicine in India is simply big business and doctors have no honour or respect towards their profession or patients, it's only $ that counts. Although it's a legal requirement, most private hospitals do not treat emergency patients for free. So yeah, god is the only one who can help you if you have an accident and your family can't pay. We have a huge number of big shiny hospitals and world class doctors, but only to treat wealthy patients from US, NRIs and rich Indians but not for average indians. I would personally rate quality of medecine in India as equal to that of Somalia.

 

[I.R.A]

^^^
In the Indo-Pak. context, the agri. economy of Pak. - Punjab and Sindh.@ partition Vs. say - Bengal, Orissa and MP in India back then.

Yes, politico-spiritual-economic transformation means the world's largest (India's) middle-class is moving towards a clean, green, financial and investment driven model.

Personally, I think that Globalisation and it's institutional framework (I'm not kidding) of India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Pakistan will merge and collaborate with Global peers to do their thing. Said evils will dilute unless provocation is the issue, ... which I doubt very much re: hi-tech surveillance, command and control issues.

Meanwhile, the present day thing will continue. India's focus is self-development, like China. The continuing joy and prosperity of the masses of India and China drives the politics of these two mega states. Neither is there yet.

India's issues with Pak. Vs. China's issues Vs. Russia or Japan, never mind India or US, UK or France or Germany ... see my point ?

The next generation, is to watch. Education being the main DING !

What percentage is the indian middle class? 200 million struggling to survive may not be a big percentage compared to overall size of india ....... but it is a big number. The religious polarization is on rise, the communal rift, the low class indians suffering daily at the hands of high class, regional marginalising with some regions growing and others going backwards, coupled with insurgencies ........ I feel like you have neglected all these factors ......... plus an arrogant stance when it comes to normalizing relations with Pakistan, you are not going anywhere without Pakistan. How long will india be able to sustain this newly found prosperity? Pardon me saying its little development that has made you feel like superpower but we both know ...... the mentality of masses hasn't evolved to that level.

You are optimistic, good for you, hopefully what you persume may come to fruition ............ but the thing is if india can do it Pakistan can do it ........... both may follow different systems of governance suiting their people and needs, but both remain abutted .......... you cannot break away that easy, we falling and collapsing would be a major harm to you, and you going into chaos would mean our near extinction.

 

[MULUBJA]

That's not really true. Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Albania, Central Asian countries are all successful muslim countries. There are more examples too. As long as there is separation between religion and politics, all societies can develop.



You will have to be very lucky to get treated in such hospitals due to a long wait list. For most of India's population, this is what they have to deal with

http://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...dengue-gurgaon-dengue-death-adya-singh/130584

18 lakhs for dengue treatment, lol what a joke, and still the baby died. Unless you are smart these hospitals and doctors will suck every last penny out of you. Medicine in India is simply big business and doctors have no honour or respect towards their profession or patients, it's only $ that counts. Although it's a legal requirement, most private hospitals do not treat emergency patients for free. So yeah, god is the only one who can help you if you have an accident and your family can't pay. We have a huge number of big shiny hospitals and world class doctors, but only to treat wealthy patients from US, NRIs and rich Indians but not for average indians. I would personally rate quality of medecine in India as equal to that of Somalia.

You are unable to see positive part of what I wrote.

 

[patentneer]

What percentage is the indian middle class? 200 million struggling to survive may not be a big percentage compared to overall size of india ....... but it is a big number. The religious polarization is on rise, the communal rift, the low class indians suffering daily at the hands of high class, regional marginalising with some regions growing and others going backwards, coupled with insurgencies ........ I feel like you have neglected all these factors ......... plus an arrogant stance when it comes to normalizing relations with Pakistan, you are not going anywhere without Pakistan. How long will india be able to sustain this newly found prosperity? Pardon me saying its little development that has made you feel like superpower but we both know ...... the mentality of masses hasn't evolved to that level.

You are optimistic, good for you, hopefully what you presume may come to fruition ............ but the thing is if india can do it Pakistan can do it ........... both may follow different systems of governance suiting their people and needs, but both remain abutted .......... you cannot break away that easy, we falling and collapsing would be a major harm to you, and you going into chaos would mean our near extinction.

^^^
I had this talk with a fellow Canadian - Bangladeshi engineer, and we came to the conclusion that with the whole world is so heavily invested in India re: India being the world's' last and largest market for eg. for infra. project financing, India will not be allowed to fail. India is too big to fail!

Pakistan may want to pick up the pace, as I see it Pak. should have been way ahead of India. Way ahead. Pak compared to UP state in India is barely ahead. Barely ahead. UP's Noida/Gr. Noida agglomeration has no parallel's in Pak. UP's IT, software, automobile and media industry is based here. Agri. biz is shitty in both. Infrastructure in UP is catching up to and surpassing Pak.'s road infra; UP has been far ahead in rail infra. Vs. Pak. Cotton, Sugar etc. are small time, but there is Tata manufacturing plant making heavy vehicles in UP, and rail manufacturing is also big. Tourism is UP's killer app, think Taj Mahal but also Nepal and the Buddhist circuit.

Water is a big resource in Pak. and UP. Pak has to spend on Pak Faujj-Navy-Air force and Central govt. UP has no such expenses even if the majority of India's govt. came from UP.
By the way, UP till recently was the black box of India and nobody in their right mind would move to either UP or Pakistan.

 

[MULUBJA]

What percentage is the indian middle class? 200 million struggling to survive may not be a big percentage compared to overall size of india ....... but it is a big number. The religious polarization is on rise, the communal rift, the low class indians suffering daily at the hands of high class, regional marginalising with some regions growing and others going backwards, coupled with insurgencies ........ I feel like you have neglected all these factors ......... plus an arrogant stance when it comes to normalizing relations with Pakistan, you are not going anywhere without Pakistan. How long will india be able to sustain this newly found prosperity? Pardon me saying its little development that has made you feel like superpower but we both know ...... the mentality of masses hasn't evolved to that level.

You are optimistic, good for you, hopefully what you persume may come to fruition ............ but the thing is if india can do it Pakistan can do it ........... both may follow different systems of governance suiting their people and needs, but both remain abutted .......... you cannot break away that easy, we falling and collapsing would be a major harm to you, and you going into chaos would mean our near extinction.

Its no matter where we stand today. We are developing very fast and most importantly, we are in right direction. If you are in right direction, your tomorrow is brighter than today. We are building our capabilities in many areas where the whole world has to take its notice.

 

[Bombaywalla]

More pics, less yapping, please.

 

[patentneer]

India's problems are not as grave and it is developing at a faster rate. It's future looks brighter. "Islamic" societies have always faltered and descended into chaos unless artificially kept afloat by resource extraction.

Pakistan has no such advantage. India and Pakistan are NOT equals. India is a better country with better, more sensible and liberal people with vastly superior democratic traditions

Its no matter where we stand today. We are developing very fast and most importantly, we are in right direction. If you are in right direction, your tomorrow is brighter than today. We are building our capabilities in many areas where the whole world has to take its notice.

^^^
This is not a knock Pakistan thread. Pakistan, in my idea, between Punjab-&-Sindh compared to the Punjabi/Sindhi cohort of India; cannot be dismissed so readily.
Pakistan may have been the Germany of S.Asia. Actually, even Bangladesh could have been the Germany of S. Asia. Instead, India became the manufacturing hotbed of S. Asia notwithstanding India's secular, socialist Congress rule. No More !

Topic change, Indian middle class is the biggest in the world, some 600-750 million!

India's storied middle class is shaping Global issues, Harley Davidson's only non-US plant is in India, spitting out aspirational middle class models. And everyone else is in India pumping out products re: Indian middle class. Another example is John Deere.

Of course, their Indian competitors are nothing to scoff at be it Hero, Bajaj or a plethora of Indian tractor manufacturers led by Mahindra or even Escorts Ltd. Lockheed Martin, Boeing, IBM ... the creme-of-the-creme, is heavily vested in India. Inverse example - McDonald's !

Hsve Fun