India Conveys its Disapproval to Russia Over its Joint Exercise With Pakistan

[BlackOpsIndia]

More like a formality but just before India-Russia meet in BRICS by Indian Ambassador! Sending some kind of signal? Lets wait how it turns out. The damage is done and Russia too in damage control mood if we look at the recent Russian Ambassador remarks. Exercise was not an issue but timing definitely was.
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New Delhi: Ahead of their annual bilateral Summit, India has conveyed its opposition to Russia over its joint exercise with Pakistan, a nation which "sponsors and practises terrorism as a matter of State policy", saying it will create further problems.

"We have conveyed our views to the Russian side that military cooperation with Pakistan which is a State that sponsors and practises terrorism as a matter of State policy is a wrong approach and it will only create further problems," Indian Ambassador to Moscow Pankaj Saran said in an interview to Russian news agency Ria Novosti.

Saran's remarks come ahead of the bilateral meeting in Goa on Saturday between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin, who will be arriving in India on October 14. Apart from bilateral Summit, Putin will attend the Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa(BRICS) meet on October 16.

India has been communicating its unhappiness to Russia over its joint military exercises with Pakistan. However, these concerns have been played down by the Russins who maintain that they hold similar military drills with other countries of the region as well.

Saran also said, "There are some burning issues before the world today which the BRICS countries will certainly address and this includes the question of terrorism and the threat of terrorism faced by all the countries in the BRICS group. So this will be a major item of discussion during the Summit apart from the regional conflicts and the global situation."

On Indo-Russia ties, the envoy said as far as Indias relations with Russia are concerned, the two countries share a special and privileged strategic partnership.

"We see no change in this. On the contrary, this has only strengthened in all areas, including in the field of military-technical cooperation. This partnership is an anchor of peace and stability in the region and the world.

"We have a regular system of military exercises with Russia. We have been holding these exercises for the last few years with Russia and we will continue to do so. The plan for these exercises is drawn up between the relevant agencies of the two sides. This will continue even next year," he said. Saran also talked about the cooperation in the field of civil nuclear sector, trade and investments.

http://www.news18.com/news/india/in...its-joint-exercise-with-pakistan-1300796.html

 

[Salahuddin Ayubi]

Russia doesn't seem to give a flying fuuk to india's R-Rona.

 

[CHD]

More like a formality but just before India-Russia meet in BRICS by Indian Ambassador! Sending some kind of signal? Lets wait how it turns out. The damage is done and Russia too in damage control mood if we look at the recent Russian Ambassador remarks. Exercise was not an issue but timing definitely was.
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New Delhi: Ahead of their annual bilateral Summit, India has conveyed its opposition to Russia over its joint exercise with Pakistan, a nation which "sponsors and practises terrorism as a matter of State policy", saying it will create further problems.

"We have conveyed our views to the Russian side that military cooperation with Pakistan which is a State that sponsors and practises terrorism as a matter of State policy is a wrong approach and it will only create further problems," Indian Ambassador to Moscow Pankaj Saran said in an interview to Russian news agency Ria Novosti.

Saran's remarks come ahead of the bilateral meeting in Goa on Saturday between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin, who will be arriving in India on October 14. Apart from bilateral Summit, Putin will attend the Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa(BRICS) meet on October 16.

India has been communicating its unhappiness to Russia over its joint military exercises with Pakistan. However, these concerns have been played down by the Russins who maintain that they hold similar military drills with other countries of the region as well.

Saran also said, "There are some burning issues before the world today which the BRICS countries will certainly address and this includes the question of terrorism and the threat of terrorism faced by all the countries in the BRICS group. So this will be a major item of discussion during the Summit apart from the regional conflicts and the global situation."

On Indo-Russia ties, the envoy said as far as Indias relations with Russia are concerned, the two countries share a special and privileged strategic partnership.

"We see no change in this. On the contrary, this has only strengthened in all areas, including in the field of military-technical cooperation. This partnership is an anchor of peace and stability in the region and the world.

"We have a regular system of military exercises with Russia. We have been holding these exercises for the last few years with Russia and we will continue to do so. The plan for these exercises is drawn up between the relevant agencies of the two sides. This will continue even next year," he said. Saran also talked about the cooperation in the field of civil nuclear sector, trade and investments.

http://www.news18.com/news/india/in...its-joint-exercise-with-pakistan-1300796.html

And Russians will say they they also have concerns about india licking up to US

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

And Russians will say they they also have concerns about india licking up to US

and why exactly so? any logic? else dont bother to reply if you have some madharsha chaap logic?

India is paying money to Russia, buying weapons infact around 30+% of its total weapons export. What is Russia buying from us?

What leverage they have on us? Lets see what you got. Shower me with your wisdom.

 

[salarsikander]

What leverage they have on us

INS Chakra, Brahmos. Su-30MKi, Talvar class frigates, T-90, Ka-22 Helicopters, Nuke reactors. And countless spare parts of other military goodies.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

INS Chakra, Brahmos. Su-30MKi, Talvar class frigates, T-90, Ka-22 Helicopters, Nuke reactors. And countless spare parts of other military goodies.

I hope you know the difference between a deal(international contract) and leverage (which seems to be non existence here). Elaborate more about how it is leverage and I will surprise you

 

[salarsikander]

I hope you know the difference between a deal(international contract) and leverage (which seems to be non existence here). Elaborate more about how it is leverage and I will surprise you

As I said before. What you're buying from the is irreplaceable. You caanot obtain it otherwise from Market. If they back track and delya the projects you lot will suffer

Elaborate more about how it is leverage and I will surprise you

So you will threaten them with non payment of money ? Can you really do that ?

Show me one such instance where in past you have done that

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

As I said before. What you're buying from the is irreplaceable. You caanot obtain it otherwise from Market.

Actually we can now, not before but now west just waiting for us to move forward with anything, everything they want. They are even ready to make it in India in case you are following recent developments.

If they back track and delya the projects you lot will suffer

Well if they delay we will definitely suffer for a time but it will tarnish their reputation more. The only reason Russia got a bad name in supplies is due to their pathetic service for Su30Mki. More countries now buy upfront whatever they need for next many years from Russia or they go to west due to this.

Its seller whose reputation is more at stake on poor delivery or service in a market where new entrants (China) and old reputed established competitors are already in cut throat competition. You think Russia will take that gamble?

Now suppose that they did which brings me to your next question.

So you will threaten them with non payment of money ? Can you really do that ?

Show me one such instance where in past you have done that

Well they are still trying to get a R&D contract signed for FGFA from 2007 and we are not yet paying for it, may be due to poor service record of Russia.

Also any international contract is binding, India, if they find Russia or any other nation breaking the contract they can actually claim damages and the seller has to pay it, irrespective of whatever superpower they are.

If you ever followed Augusta Westland case in India, the Italian giant broke a single rule of bribing Indian officials and when later found out India not only confiscated the security money from Italy and prosecuted them for wrong doing but also kept 3 Helicopters with them without any payment within an year I guess (or may be a few more months).

You seems to be a reasonable person here, the international contracts are not like a normal criminal or civil case in India and Pakistan judicial system but they are actually binding and no seller can backtrack without paying for damages.

In an another such case where Isro cancelled a contract with foreign firm they are finned $1 Billion, heck even US paid Iran for the assets they freeze for Nuclear policy of Iran even under UN umbrella.

And now comes the main question what for?
This much trouble, bad reputation, law suits and losing an ally which buy 30% of weapons (well weapons and energy are the two main exports of Russia) for Pakistan? Why? How much can Pakistan buy from Russia?

If you take a best case scenario of Pakistan buying Su35 and other stuff it still wont be able to buy over $10 Billion in next 5-10 years. Its pure economics mate, nothing offensive. You already have almost 80% commitment to China, 10% to Turkey. You wont and cant cancel their contracts for Russia no matter what.

Now this $10 Billion is actually lesser than an year of deals or in service/spares they earn from India and I am not counting the mega deals of future S400, Subs, FGFA and so on.

May be geopolitics favors a closer Pak-Russia axis but the economics is very strongly against it. (I have not counted here losing an emerging power when Russia is already hated almost all along the west, even a small country Nepal, if they go against us we try to win them back not let them go. You think Russia will just let got biggest defence partner or almost pennies?)

may be our friends @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @PARIKRAMA @hellfire @MilSpec @Nair saab can tell you more about Russia, what they can do and what they cant.

 

[Hindustani78]

INS Chakra, Brahmos. Su-30MKi, Talvar class frigates, T-90, Ka-22 Helicopters, Nuke reactors. And countless spare parts of other military goodies.

Indian Defense industries do produce everything domestically .

Russian Federation is having its national interest and Indian Nation is having its national interest

 

[salarsikander]

do produce everything

If that were the case such as of China you would not be under top defense importer

 

[jermankill]

More like a formality but just before India-Russia meet in BRICS by Indian Ambassador! Sending some kind of signal? Lets wait how it turns out. The damage is done and Russia too in damage control mood if we look at the recent Russian Ambassador remarks. Exercise was not an issue but timing definitely was.
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New Delhi: Ahead of their annual bilateral Summit, India has conveyed its opposition to Russia over its joint exercise with Pakistan, a nation which "sponsors and practises terrorism as a matter of State policy", saying it will create further problems.

"We have conveyed our views to the Russian side that military cooperation with Pakistan which is a State that sponsors and practises terrorism as a matter of State policy is a wrong approach and it will only create further problems," Indian Ambassador to Moscow Pankaj Saran said in an interview to Russian news agency Ria Novosti.

Saran's remarks come ahead of the bilateral meeting in Goa on Saturday between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin, who will be arriving in India on October 14. Apart from bilateral Summit, Putin will attend the Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa(BRICS) meet on October 16.

India has been communicating its unhappiness to Russia over its joint military exercises with Pakistan. However, these concerns have been played down by the Russins who maintain that they hold similar military drills with other countries of the region as well.

Saran also said, "There are some burning issues before the world today which the BRICS countries will certainly address and this includes the question of terrorism and the threat of terrorism faced by all the countries in the BRICS group. So this will be a major item of discussion during the Summit apart from the regional conflicts and the global situation."

On Indo-Russia ties, the envoy said as far as Indias relations with Russia are concerned, the two countries share a special and privileged strategic partnership.

"We see no change in this. On the contrary, this has only strengthened in all areas, including in the field of military-technical cooperation. This partnership is an anchor of peace and stability in the region and the world.

"We have a regular system of military exercises with Russia. We have been holding these exercises for the last few years with Russia and we will continue to do so. The plan for these exercises is drawn up between the relevant agencies of the two sides. This will continue even next year," he said. Saran also talked about the cooperation in the field of civil nuclear sector, trade and investments.

http://www.news18.com/news/india/in...its-joint-exercise-with-pakistan-1300796.html

here India like a PHAPAY CUTNI no more comments

 

[Hindustani78]

If that were the case such as of China you would not be under top defense importer

We all are aware how were things during the heights of cold war but no one can deny the achievements done by the Indian nation in 70 years .

 

[salarsikander]

The only reason Russia got a bad name in supplies is due to their pathetic service for Su30Mki

Not exactly, Malaysians are also using the SU-30 They don't seem to have any problem with that.

Pakistan cannot afford anything for 10 Bn dollar even during next 10 years. Unless A far less generous credit terms are being offers as compared to that of todays. You are very much right about the international contractual obligations.

But then again, I for one find it very offensive when most Indian posters say how they can simply move away from a country that went on to send a fleet to cover for 71 war for Indians. You see incidents like these are irreplaceable and most of the young generation wont understand that. There is always sort of binding or obligation that cannot be ignored or dismissed like that

 

[coffee_cup]

"... Pakistan which is a State that sponsors and practises terrorism as a matter of State policy is a wrong approach and it will only create further problems," Indian Ambassador to Moscow Pankaj Saran said in an interview to Russian news agency Ria Novosti.

Correction:

INDIA which is a State that sponsors and practises terrorism as a matter of State policy is a wrong approach and it will only create further problems...

 

[salarsikander]

We all are aware how were things during the heights of cold war but no one can deny the achievements done by the Indian nation in 70 years .

We are not talking about that. I just refuted to you statement that you do not produce everything on your own.

Secondly, no one needs to deny anything. Achievements are compared to something of that league to show if they were truly remarkable, Now Comparing that With Chinese, We (INDO PAK) got independence in 47 where as China and their revolution was quite later. Look where they are right now and where you are right now.