India, China should team up for 21st century

[Communist]

taiwan is a big problem,U.S can't even stand another "potential" super power ,americans really don't understand china's value.unlike them,china have no interests of being the pain of others' *** .not to mention,china still have long way to become a super power....

I do not see Taiwan as a problem. After all, the Chinese inhabitants of Taiwan are self governed. But think about those unfortunate Chinese Tibetan inhabitants of South Tibet. They do not have self rule. They cannot even demand that, lest Indian army would do to them the same as the army is doing to the Kashmiris, Manipuris, Nagas etc etc.

If China wants to neutralize the threat from India, China must negotiate with the US regarding the Taiwan issue. India is a threat to the existence of China, not the US.

 

[faithfulguy]

In my opinion, you should get rid of your absurd optimism and try to be pragmatic.

Chinese have always been through hell, but you should feel happy, because you have managed to survive in this racist world. And if you want to survive further, you should be ready to go through hell again. That is the test you are supposed to pass. Only the fittest will survive. Here the real danger to China's survival comes only from India.

A few days ago, a report revealed that the northernmost Chinese city Harbin might become a target of India's Agni 5 nuclear missile. All the nuclear missile projects of India are targeted to China.

How can you expect to negotiate with an enemy whose very existence itself is a threat to your existence?

both the US and Russia has enough nukes to blow China up 500 times. Why focus on a country that is relatively weak and threatening China with missles in the program? If China is focusing on India as a threat, China is doomed.

 

[aimarraul]

In the last 20 years what actions has India taken to be perceived do hostile by China ?

india really can't and don't need to do anything more,she is one force control the disputed area,all india need to do is refuse to solve that illegal border and try to make McMahon legal

 

[Communist]

both the US and Russia has enough nukes to blow China up 500 times. Why focus on a country that is relatively weak and threatening China with missles in the program? If China is focusing on India as a threat, China is doomed.

Yes. But the US and Russia do not consider China their natural enemy and do not have the plan to blow China up right now. China should deal with them on a diplomatic level.

The only enemy of China at present appears to be India as all the military boom of India is designed to target China. Yes, China must improve the quality faster than the US and Russia.

But should China at the same time ignore India's military boom?

 

[faithfulguy]

Well, people keep saying India is aggressive.

Its always related to negative qualities.

What exactly has India done but secure its own national interests.

In the last 20 years what actions has India taken to be perceived do hostile by China ?

Why would any Indian member on this forum be anything but aggressive given how all of you are against them.

At least the India and Chines Governments continue to make policy to overcome their difference as best possible whilst still serving their national interests, as such at least on economic issues positive progress has been made.

But many Individual Chinese still continues to see as a threat, due to it holding land claimed by china. As well as the Indian Military's China focused strategy. Whilst China itself is Modernizing it military to be capable of Giving the Americans oause.

Whilst Indian's see Chinese pandering to Pakistani intrests at the expense of India's.

Of course India has the right to secure its interest. As far as I know, a lot of Indians are excited by the media over China. as a result, average Indians regard China as the enemy. Chinese , on the other hand, are excited by reports about how India regard China. The animosity between India and China appears to be media driven. Specifically the Indian media as chinese media are government controlled.

 

[gogbot]

Of course India has the right to secure its interest. As far as I know, a lot of Indians are excited by the media over China. as a result, average Indians regard China as the enemy. Chinese , on the other hand, are excited by reports about how India regard China. The animosity between India and China appears to be media driven. Specifically the Indian media as chinese media are government controlled.

For the sake of science.

Stop generalizing everything will you.
People have different views and Ideals everywhere.

You keep saying a lot. well most Indian's dont even think about anything outside their daily life. Sadly even more are to poor to bloody care.

Those that do care all have different views and Ideals, Just like any other political spectrum out there.

My views are completely contradictory to what you just said. And of course there are other who also think like. Or at the very least Share my views.

All you are doing is picking out one group of Indian's and then use them as a template to generalize the Ramining population.

You are not the authority on Indian's and regardless of what personal experience may have helped mold your view, you should stop trying to be one.

 

[RobbieS]

I think the Chinese members here have over-hyped India's militaristic capabilities and intentions. Yes, India has developed 5000 km range missiles and of course they are not aimed at Pakistan alone. But given India and China's animistic post, it would be foolish for India to not to develop capabilities to defend itself. But India doesn't really have any hegemonistic designs. We have enough trouble governing the area currently under control. To think of adding more to the mess is improbable.

China itself has ICBMs which cover not only India but US as well. Its not like the Chinese are shouting war slogans from their rooftops against the US. In today's world of realpolitik every scenario is to be kept in mind. defense and economy, both need to be developed.

And India doesn't gain anything from a conflict with China. Trade and bilateral relations are what matter. In fact China is India's biggest trade partner.

 

[ek_indian]

First of all, one must get rid of the nonsensical Asian unity obsession. India may be located within the map of Asia, though i personally think the map of Asia is erroneous, but Indians do not share anything racial or ideological or cultural values with those of the Asians. Rather Indians are closer, genetically and culturally and linguistically, to the Africans and Europeans. Hence the word Indo-European came into being.

Hats off to your rant. Keep it up dear!!

India's military boom is more important than India's economic boom and as India is China's natural enemy, Chinese should take India's military boom in consideration first. No economic boom will rescue the Chinese, if India launches Agni 5 to China.

Please let us know how India is China's "natural" enemy. What profecy tells that India would lauch its not-yet-inducted missile towards China. And why China would sit quiet.

I think, China should try to cooperate with the US instead of India. US, as it seems, is not as much hostile to China as is India. Actually average US white people's present generation is not familiar with China. Thus a misunderstanding has occurred between those two nations. But now many foreign expats are coming to China in an increasing way. This is a good sign.

This is no way related to the topic neither the other parts.

Chinese and Indian government are doing their best to imrove their relations. Just look at the recent cooperation between these countries in climate summit. No matter how much you cry, relations are only getting better as the time passes by.

You even called your own government "non-credible" as they are improving their relations with India. You are suggesting all sort of relationship like USA, Russia etc. etc so that India can be taken over.
I seriously suggest you to take care of your hate-India syndrome.

 

[gogbot]

india really can't and don't need to do anything more,she is one force control the disputed area,all india need to do is refuse to solve that illegal border and try to make McMahon legal

so the people living there for the last 60 years as Indians have no say in the matter.
Forget a mediated negotiation to settle the dispute.

When china says bend over India must comply. Other wise we are aggressive.
India is just the nuisance that refuses to do as China says.

real aggressive behavior by India for saying no.

Lets not just sit down and reach a comprehensive agreement that both parties can be happy about. Like our respective governments are actually doing.

lets just make demands. Ignoring the realities on the ground.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Of course India has the right to secure its interest. As far as I know, a lot of Indians are excited by the media over China. as a result, average Indians regard China as the enemy. Chinese , on the other hand, are excited by reports about how India regard China. The animosity between India and China appears to be media driven. Specifically the Indian media as chinese media are government controlled.

faithful guy, plz get over this wrong impression that indians think and speak what appears in the media.

TIMES Now is the channel which bashes Pakistan and China but more than that it bashes Indian Politicians, The common issues and ofthen things which Hit Gov very Badly.

Most of the Indians here in the forum are open minded, else they would not hve been here. They post what they think not what their media tells them. INDIA TV a masala news channel is Never credited for its fancy stories .. yes eben by the indians.. they know whwt to believe and what not to.

If u look honestly some good thinkers, some very pro nationlists, some extreme nationalists exist from All India, China and Pakistan at PDF , Then why blame only Indian Media for the Extreme views and statements?

Government controlled media would speak only in Govs Interest.
A Free Media Like India Speaks what is in Peoples and Channels Interest.
Thats why we see Sting Operations, pen Political debates and Politicians being Bashed Live - It Happens in Indian Media !

Since, Its a defense forum, i dont like the mentality that u must have an "Enemy" to get motivated to post here.
Take my word - Most Indians dont bother about China or Pakistan all the time they are more bothered about Money, Bread , jobs and Shelter.
Of course we r hurt by 26/11 and can die for our dignity but In the Land of Gandhi we dont think of Wars alone especially when we have a family of a billion.

Indians Know the reality so do the pakistanis and chinese .. Plz dont generalize the statements of a few extremists to the entire mob.

A very cool guy - AbbasNiazi from Pakistan said "we r here to be educated and get knowledge" .. thats sums it all.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

both the US and Russia has enough nukes to blow China up 500 times. Why focus on a country that is relatively weak and threatening China with missles in the program? If China is focusing on India as a threat, China is doomed.

We will not lose

All China, USA, India, Russia, EU, Islam World, SE Asia, Jap and Korean sticks, Africa, Latino will die if Nuclear war occurs

 

[ek_indian]

We will not lose

All China, USA, India, Russia, EU, Islam World, SE Asia, Jap and Korean sticks, Africa, Latino will die if Nuclear war occurs

Your post is way offtopic and contrary to what the thread is all about. Because the title has a word "team" in it.

There was thread of not to call other member as a troll so I will refrain from doing that. Please continue with your intellectual posts.

 

[mrwarrior006]

its possible just learn from copenhagen guys

 

[Bushy]

How is India an enemy of the US. I thought US help India with ABM. Are Indians as ungrateful as you.

Failure to read properly is a serious handicap. Get it fixed, lest you shall end up completely insane.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

This thread is so boring now that scchinese is banned