India, China should cast off shadow of history, move forward: Dai

[timetravel]

So what you would know from the blast.

By collecting the remaining active uranium/plutonium. You know where this particular uranium/plutonium came from.
By collecting the half-life particle, you know when this particular uranium/plutonium is extracted.
By collecting the depleted particle, you know how much enriched to the uranium/plutonium
By collecting the picture of detonation, you know which method they use the detonate the nuke.

so you can know when was the plutonium extracted, what was the % concentration of plutonium. These are chemical properties of the uranium/ plutonium you can find this for plutonium irrespective of its origin of country. This dont help at all to know the origin of bomb.

But to know who made this plutonium how do you know,

whose country's nuclear reactor is producing what amount or enrichment? is it public info?

are you denying that the country producing the uranium/Plutonium can also very the enrichment % for uranium? if US can produce 99.9% enriched uranium, it can also produce anything from 90% to 99.9% enrichment? can you deny it?

how do you know which country uses which method of detonation? and if you know then why cant you duplicate some other country's detonation mechanism?

is it mandatory that every different country uses different method of detonation? is there not some simple or common method of detonation which can be used by any country? then how would you tell who did this detonation?

the fact of the matter is unless you have an effective intelligence ring and a network of high resolution of spy satellites, it is next to impossible to find out who made the bomb if a nuclear advanced country decides to give a bomb.

It is not the properties of the bomb which will allow you to catch the bomb maker as the bomb maker can easily vary the bomb properties. You have to rely on factors like Intelligence gathering, spy satellites and insider information, and trapping key communications to know who did this.

The properties help you to find out only in case of crude bombs made by terrorists, as terrorists can only buy materials available in black market and it is easy to find source for such black market suppliers.

bro its not that simple and black and white to know from a bomb explosion who made the bomb. Today if US wants it can easily give off a nuclear bomb to Vietnam it can easily be passed of as Indian or Russian bomb unless the intelligence network could find and crack the plot. No amount of technical analysis of bomb's radiation or explosion would tell you it was US.

 

[jhungary]

so you can know when was the plutonium extracted, what was the % concentration of plutonium. These are chemical properties of the uranium/ plutonium you can find this for plutonium irrespective of its origin of country. This dont help at all to know the origin of bomb.

But to know who made this plutonium how do you know,

whose country's nuclear reactor is producing what amount or enrichment? is it public info?

are you denying that the country producing the Plutonium can also very the enrichment % for uranium? if US can produce 99.9% enriched uranium, it can also produce anything from 90% to 99.9% enrichment? can you deny it?

how do you know which country uses which method of detonation? and if you know then why cant you duplicate some other country's detonation mechanism?

Question But to know who made this plutonium how do you know,

Let use an example to illustrate shall we?

LEt say Vietnam got the uranium235 missile from india using Vietnamese own Missile and Guidance system, where the radiation material is from Victoria, Australia and the enrichment is done in Canada.

Basic mining science 101.

When you mine, let don't use Uranium/Plutonium as an example, use Iron ore for an example, the environment to extract iron ore are different hence you have different set of composit (or mineral) in Iron, ore usually comes with 5 different mineral magnetite (Fe3O4), hematite (Fe2O3), goethite (FeO(OH)), limonite (FeO(OH).n(H2O)) or siderite (FeCO3).

Now with this 5 mineral, the physical existence is different in different country owning to the fact different country have different set of environmental data, where as, geographic location (Lime, Graphite base rock or etc), Weather-Temperature and Humidity (The progress of rust/oxidation), and Geo-Heat (Which affect the concentration)

So the 5 different mineral will have about millions different set of material ore and you can trace each and everone to its origin.

Now, with Uranium and Plutonium, there are only a few country have Uranium/Plutonium mine and every batch and every dig was recorded.

Say for example Indian gave the Vietnamese their own off-the shelf nuke. The nuclear material they use are recorded by IAEA and from the blast, if the scientist can find 1 trace of active uranium/platonium (Which is easy as the not all radiation material are used up in fussion) And the shortest half life of both are 14 years). We can trace the origin of the Radiated Material (Different U-235 isotrope have differnet impurity, the contamination from extraction and distillation) If you still don't know what i say, think Diamond, diamond have the same Cabon structure but the impurity of Carbon compound is different as they were from different volcano, as numerous factor involve the contamination (The number of erupture, temperature, air quality and etc is different from volcano to volcano). Knowing the impurity factor, you can know where the active Uranium/Plutonium is from.

Once you know where it is from, you need to know when they are extracted. Say this particular uranium are from Victoria, Australian Uranium Mining plant. There are record in that plant to see which batch goes where. You only need to know the batch number. How do you know which batch? Simple, you know the detonation site will have the Half-Life Product, since Uranium and Plutonium undergo different half-life stage in case of U-235 it's Thorium-231, you simple need to measure the content and concentration of Thorium-231 and you will know which cycle were the Uranium belong to. Hence you will know when is their extraction date. Trace back to the record, the partuicular uranium was transport to Canada for enrichment.


Third stage, you know the uranium used in the blast were at Canada for enrichment, then where does it goes form there? Easy,m you look at the enrichment level. For any export qualtity, the method of enrichment is differernt. And Thus contain their own signature, whic hcome down to 0.01%. Each country have different Enrichment level, method or enrichment, which will be equal toputting a stamp on the uramium disc and see where this come from.

How do you see that you wonder? Different enrichment gave diffenent concentration of OTHER (U-236, U-237, U-238, U-239 and so on)Uranium isotrope. But with the same intented U-235 isotrop, so by measure the concentration of OTHER isotrop present in the blast, you will know that particular active uranium from which enrichment facilicate come down to specific reactor on the plant (Different reactor leave different trace of Isotrop concentration). Trace that to where the facilicite handed the material to, then viola, you got India.

THe last question is, why would Vietnam would have a nuclear missile that made in Vietnam but using Uranium traced back form Australia->Canada-> India? That would be a million dollar question the Indian have to answer if they actual did it.

Do remember this two rules

1.No 2 facilities give the same product in term of Radiated Techology
2.And Everything is recorded.

So you cant mask where the bomb is from.

Question : whose country's nuclear reactor is producing what amount or enrichment? is it public info?

Not public but subject to IAEA Annual report. When there are a nuclear blast, IAEA will go and investigate.

Question: are you denying that the country producing the Plutonium can also very the enrichment % for uranium? if US can produce 99.9% enriched uranium, it can also produce anything from 90% to 99.9% enrichment? can you deny it?

Those are diffenent, as Isotrope give out intented for enrichment is different. For Plutonium, you got Pu-238, Pu-239, Pu-240, Pu-241, Pu-242, Pu-244. Where as Enriched Plutonium mean the % of Pu-239 in the content, but different Reactor give out different concentration of Other Pu Isotrope, namely (Pu-238-Pu-244) look at the Concentration and you will know where the Plutonium were Enriched, down to specific reactor, specific date.

The same reactor can enrich Uranium, but same require fulfill, you got U-235 is your final isoptrop ultimate product. But differnet reactor gave different concentration of OTHER isotrope. Namely U-232 to U-238. Again, look at the remaining material and investigate the other isotrope, it will drop you down to specific location, specific reactor, specific time.

Question: how do you know which country uses which method of detonation? and if you know then why cant you duplicate some other country's detonation mechanism?

Method of detonation is only one part of the equation, but you cna trace it back to the detonation mechanism, or the material used. This is exactly how people keep saying every bomb have a signature. Same goes as detonation method. Different country uses it internal det to trigger it nuclear fussion. By looking at the blast radius, blast direction, damage over distant, concentration of Radioactive material, you know which kind of det was used in the particular blast.

 

[timetravel]

Do remember this two rules

No 2 facilicate give the same product in term of Radiated Techology
And Everything is recorded.

So you cant mask where the bomb is from.

and always remember rules are meant to be broken

it is very simple for you to assume:

a)that everything is recorded and

b)not only that but also that everything that is recorded is and would be made available to the public.

c) there are no secret facilities to enrich the uranium about which you and I and the world at large don't even know about

e) when the plutonium is originated from the same mine in Australia but used by different countries to make the bomb. How would you tell who made the bomb? The uranium is always getting decomposed, so even if you know its life you only know how old is uranium. You dont know when it was shipped to which country. The same batch of uranium which is present in the Australian inventory might be shipped to 10 different countries.

f)The chemical properties of the uranium cannot be altered to make its source of origin untraceable

some other factors which you overlooked:

g) when looking at blast you can tell which kind of det was uses. Agreed. But if you can tell which country uses this kind of det, then it means YOU ALREADY know what kind of det is used by different countries. So why cant country A make a det which is used by country B?

I appreciate that looking at blast you can tell what kind of det was used. But please dont say this point again as that is not what I questioned.

h) how about US, Russia allowing IAEA to inspect each and every of its nuclear reactor? do you think it is happening now? and do you think all countries would allow IAEA to inspect each and every of its nuclear reactors?

I) what about the secreat nuclear enrichment facilities which IAEA dont even know exist.

 

[jhungary]

and always remember rules are meant to be broken

it is very simple for you to assume:

a)that everything is recorded and

b)not only that but also that everything that is recorded is and would be made available to the public.

c) there are no secret facilities to enrich the uranium about which you and I and the world at large don't even know about

e) when the plutonium is originated from the same mine in Australia but used by different countries to make the bomb. How would you tell who made the bomb?

f)The chemical properties of the uranium cannot be altered to make its source of origin untraceable

some other factors which you overlooked:

g) when looking at blast you can tell which kind of det was uses, then it means YOU ALREADY know what kind of det is used by different countries. So why cant country A make a det which is used by country B?

I appreciate that loking at blast you can tell what kind of det was used. But please dont say this point again as that is not what I questioned.

h) how about US, Russia allowing IAEA to inspect each and every of its nuclear reactor? do you think it is happening now? and do you think all countries would allow IAEA to inspect each and every of its nuclear reactors?

A.) Everything is recorded, at the base line The number of Uranium and Plutonium ore are recorded, you cannot use them without going to an unknown, secretive location. Each batch of Uranium/Plutonium follow by a paper trail. IF one batch gone missing, there will be a joint session in UN and a spec op time will look for it. I know this as this used to be my job in the US Army.

B.) You do not need to made public, only need to record on UN level. And ore number and location are made public, so you know where to track a particular ore.

C.) You can have secret facilities, but where do you get your uranium/plutonium? It's not like you can get from Mining your own without notify the IAEA or any undertable deal. WHen you get a batch of Uranium/Plutonium, you are in the record, you cannot disappear that uranium/plutonium. You will need to answer the IAEA. Nuclear enrichment is one thing that you cannot do secretly, without Uranium and Plutonium, what are you going to enrich, you finger??

D.) I don't know why there was no D.

E.) Yo ucan tell who enriched the plutonium (Acutal it's Uranium, australia do not ahve Plutonium mine) Whoever enriched the Plutonium have to document the current location of the Enriched Plutonium and submit the report to IAEA. IAEA will send personnel to inspect and verified the location of Plutonium.

F.) It's not the Chemical Properties. EVERY URANIUM GAVE U232, U233,U234, U235, U236, U238, the only differnet is how the enrichment done will give different concentration of U232,U 233, U234, U236, U238. Knowing the precentage of the Uranium can trace down the Uranium Enrichment Facilities down to which Reactor. As different reactor gave different concentration, which is a equation of Possibility and Structural Properties. It's down to how the reactor is built and the specific detail on the date of reaction (Hotter, colder, more humid and dryer will play a parts of the enrichment of isotrop.)

G.) You can but how you gonna change the properties of the Specific Enriched Uranium Disc or Enriched Plutonium ball i wonder? Re-Enrich them? If they know how to re-enrich them, they would not need to get a underground nuke from India to start with............

H.) dude, IAEA inspeact every Reactor in the world. You build a Nuclear Reactor, you will be subject to IAEA inspection, the whole Iraq war is started becasuse Iraq won't allow IAEA and Weapon inspection. This is abind. You can go look at data from different country if you just kindly type International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), you will get all you need

 

[timetravel]

A.) Everything is recorded, at the base line The number of Uranium and Plutonium ore are recorded, you cannot use them without going to an unknown, secretive location. Each batch of Uranium/Plutonium follow by a paper trail. IF one batch gone missing, there will be a joint session in UN and a spec op time will look for it. I know this as this used to be my job in the US Army.

B.) You do not need to made public, only need to record on UN level. And ore number and location are made public, so you know where to track a particular ore.

C.) You can have secret facilities, but where do you get your uranium/plutonium? It's not like you can get from Mining your own without notify the IAEA or any undertable deal. WHen you get a batch of Uranium/Plutonium, you are in the record, you cannot disappear that uranium/plutonium. You will need to answer the IAEA. Nuclear enrichment is one thing that you cannot do secretly, without Uranium and Plutonium, what are you going to enrich, you finger??

D.) I don't know why there was no D.

E.) Yo ucan tell who enriched the plutonium (Acutal it's Uranium, australia do not ahve Plutonium mine) Whoever enriched the Plutonium have to document the current location of the Enriched Plutonium and submit the report to IAEA. IAEA will send personnel to inspect and verified the location of Plutonium.

F.) It's not the Chemical Properties. EVERY URANIUM GAVE U232, U233,U234, U235, U236, U238, the only differnet is how the enrichment done will give different concentration of U232,U 233, U234, U236, U238. Knowing the precentage of the Uranium can trace down the Uranium Enrichment Facilities down to which Reactor. As different reactor gave different concentration, which is a equation of Possibility and Structural Properties. It's down to how the reactor is built and the specific detail on the date of reaction (Hotter, colder, more humid and dryer will play a parts of the enrichment of isotrop.)

G.) You can but how you gonna change the properties of the Specific Enriched Uranium Disc or Enriched Plutonium ball i wonder? Re-Enrich them? If they know how to re-enrich them, they would not need to get a underground nuke from India to start with............

H.) dude, IAEA inspeact every Reactor in the world. You build a Nuclear Reactor, you will be subject to IAEA inspection, the whole Iraq war is started becasuse Iraq won't allow IAEA and Weapon inspection. This is abind. You can go look at data from different country if you just kindly type International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), you will get all you need

two points:

1) you know even India don't allow access to IAEA for its MILITARY nuclear facilities. Forget about US and Russia.

"under which India agreed to separate its civil and military nuclear facilities and to place all its civil nuclear facilities under International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards and, in exchange, the United States agreed to work toward full civil nuclear cooperation with India.[2] "

take note of the word CIVIL in the above sentence. IAEA cannot I repeat cannot access Indian Military nuclear facilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93India_Civil_Nuclear_Agreement

2) you are TOTALLY removing the possibility of there being secret enrichment facilities in India, US, Russia, China, France, UK. This is to say you believe these countries have no secret nuclear facilities and they have put everything in public domain.

so your theory of everything is recorded by IAEA is untenable. Then the only thing left would be to go to IAEA and ask whose bomb it was after a detonation and within 2 minutes IAEA would tell the name of country. Then I would say rather then this formality of asking IAEA it would be better for the bomb makes to get its president to sign and put up a sticker on each bomb made from India and verified by IAEA.

 

[jhungary]

two points:

1) you know even India don't allow access to IAEA for its MILITARY nuclear facilities. Forget about US and Russia.

"under which India agreed to separate its civil and military nuclear facilities and to place all its civil nuclear facilities under International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards and, in exchange, the United States agreed to work toward full civil nuclear cooperation with India.[2] "

take note of the word CIVIL in the above sentence. IAEA cannot I repeat cannot access Indian Military nuclear facilities.

U.S.

2) you are TOTALLY removing the possibility of there being secret enrichment facilities in India, US, Russia, China, France, UK. This is to say you believe these countries have no secret nuclear facilities and they have put everything in public domain.

Dude, you cannot secretly enrich Uranium and Plutonium when you do not have Uranium and Plutonium deposit.

Where are you going to get Uranium and Plutonium with the intent to Secretive enrich it? YOu ask another country to buy them for you??

Dude i do not say IAEA have access to Military installation, i said IAEA have access to Trading record and Enrichment record. What you do with YOUR uranium is your business, but one thing for sure, you can pass them to vietnam but it will still say India in the sale record.

When you bought Uranium/Plutonium from an IAEA Accredited trader. Your purchase are recorded. Regardless of whichever secretive site you have (Unless is outside India) it will be able to trace back the Uranium/Plutonium you use in whatever secret location you have IN INDIA then you need to explain why YOUR Uranium and Plutonium are used in the blast. If so, you better start prepare a valid reason why a block of Uranium/Plutonium destined to India were used in a nuclear blast from Vietnam to China.

Good luck finding someone who willing to buy Uranium/Plutonium for you

 

[timetravel]

Dude, you cannot secretly enrich Uranium and Plutonium when you do not have Uranium and Plutonium deposit.

Where are you going to get Uranium and Plutonium with the intent to Secretive enrich it? YOu ask another country to buy them for you??

bro are you really thinking this. I mean REALLY!

seriously who told you that India/Russia/US dont have their own uranium?

Do you think India or US don't have their own Uranium and Plutonium !!!! Dude we buy from Australia only because we need more then what we have. Who told you this silly thing!

Uranium Corporation of India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_Corporation_of_India

 

[Skull and Bones]

two points:

1) you know even India don't allow access to IAEA for its MILITARY nuclear facilities. Forget about US and Russia.

"under which India agreed to separate its civil and military nuclear facilities and to place all its civil nuclear facilities under International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards and, in exchange, the United States agreed to work toward full civil nuclear cooperation with India.[2] "

take note of the word CIVIL in the above sentence. IAEA cannot I repeat cannot access Indian Military nuclear facilities.

U.S.

2) you are TOTALLY removing the possibility of there being secret enrichment facilities in India, US, Russia, China, France, UK. This is to say you believe these countries have no secret nuclear facilities and they have put everything in public domain.

so your theory of everything is recorded by IAEA is untenable. Then the only thing left would be to go to IAEA and ask whose bomb it was after a detonation and within 2 minutes IAEA would tell the name of country. Then I would say rather then this formality of asking IAEA it would be better for the bomb makes to get its president to sign and put up a sticker on each bomb made from India and verified by IAEA.

There is no secret enrichment facility in India. Situation of the 60s was different, not after the advent of Spy satellites. The enrichment facilities which prevents access of IAEA is termed as 'Military nuclear facility'.

 

[timetravel]

There is no secret enrichment facility in India. Situation of the 60s was different, not after the advent of Spy satellites. The enrichment facilities which prevents access of IAEA is termed as 'Military nuclear facility'.

yes agreed and even India has those facilities about which the IAEA cannot do anything about and can never inspect. Other nuclear powers would be having countless such facilities.

 

[jhungary]

bro are you really thinking this. Do you think India or US don't have their own Uranium and Plutonium !!!! Dude we buy from Australia only because we need more then what we have. Who told you this silly thing!

lol, whatever you say, you can say India have the world largest uranium deposit and for all i care. Kind of tired to agrue with you. If you say you can produce a non-alignment nuclear weapon in India and nobody would know about then it's up to you, i don't think i should and i could keep on agruing much, it's a moot point.

You can think what you want, you can think Indian are above the world law. in the end of the day, it's bloody diffferent with that and real world. Believe nuclear signature or not is up to you, but do remember one thing, if you did pass your nuclear arsenal to vietnam and they used it on china, the world are going to come after you, and don't tell me i did not tell you "I told you so"

good luck and good night.

 

[timetravel]

lol, whatever you say, you can say India have the world largest uranium deposit and for all i care. Kind of tired to agrue with you. If you say you can produce a non-alignment nuclear weapon in India and nobody would know about then it's up to you, i don't think i should and i could keep on agruing much, it's a moot point.

You can think what you want, you can think Indian are above the world law. in the end of the day, it's bloody diffferent with that and real world. Believe nuclear signature or not is up to you, but do remember one thing, if you did pass your nuclear arsenal to vietnam and they used it on china, the world are going to come after you, and don't tell me i did not tell you "I told you so"

good luck and good night.

now you are discussing a different thing. Obviously there are other ways to find out the source of bomb like Intelligence gathering, spy networks, spy satellites, insider information, and tapping key communications.

the purpose of providing the bomb is to ensure China don't attack Vietnam. Vietnam would only use in self defence. Also there is a big IFF whether the world would find out who gave the bomb. To all the concerned even the US could give to Vietnam and no one might know from where it came, and the doubt might even be misdirected at Russia or India!!! Obviously if the source is found the consequences would be there whether its US or Russia or India or some one else.

but Similar consequences would be there for China also if a bomb is used against India which is made by Chinese assistance. Only China cannot play this game. Others can too.

 

[jhungary]

now you are discussing a different thing. Obviously there are other ways to find out the source of bomb like Intelligence gathering, spy networks, spy satellites, insider information, and tapping key communications.

the purpose of providing the bomb is to ensure China don't attack Vietnam. Vietnam would only use in self defence. Also there is a big IFF whether the world would find out who gave the bomb. To all the concerned even the US could give to Vietnam and no one might know from where it came. Obviously if the source is found the consequences would be there whether its US or India or some one else.

but Similar consequences would be there for China also if a bomb is used against India which is made by Chinese assistance. Only China cannot play this game. Others can too.

Lol, a big if maybe to your dreams. As you say, Indian is not a land of the law and every part of the item is not documented, if this is what you believe then go ahead, as i said, Every Uranium and Plutonium can trace back to it origin, you don't believe them is up to you.

And also, it no use if you gave the bomb to Vietnam and they cannot claim they have it, otherwise they will need to answer the world who gave them the bomb, or they will not tell the world they have the bomb, if so, how that deter China when they don't realise Vietnam have the bomb, your plan have flaw to start combine with your own thinking, i don't believe i should talk to you anymore.

Go ahead, believe what you want, you can believe There are no way it can find out where the bomb is from and everything i said about Nuclear Signature is BS, althought it have been proof accurate time and again. What do you even know about Nuclear arsenal. If you think you can build Nuclear Bomb without anyone knowing. And using them without anyone knowing. I don't denial there are bomb can be make with unknow origin, but currently, only US, and Russia capable doing it, i am not going to tell you how. But if India want to make an unmark bomb, maybe in your dream they can

 

[timetravel]

Lol, a big if maybe to your dreams. As you say, Indian is not a land of the law and every part of the item is not documented, if this is what you believe then go ahead, as i said, Every Uranium and Plutonium can trace back to it origin, you don't believe them is up to you.

And also, it no use if you gave the bomb to Vietnam and they cannot claim they have it, otherwise they will need to answer the world who gave them the bomb, or they will not tell the world they have the bomb, if so, how that deter China when they don't realise Vietnam have the bomb, your plan have flaw to start combine with your own thinking, i don't believe i should talk to you anymore.

Go ahead, believe what you want, you can believe There are no way it can find out where the bomb is from and everything i said about Nuclear Signature is BS, althought it have been proof accurate time and again. What do you even know about Nuclear arsenal. If you think you can build Nuclear Bomb without anyone knowing. And using them without anyone knowing. I don't denial there are bomb can be make with unknow origin, but currently, only US, and Russia capable doing it, i am not going to tell you how. But if India want to make an unmark bomb, maybe in your dream they can

so at least US and Russia can make unknown origin bomb as per you. Whether India can make it or not I will leave to Indian nuclear scientists.

Vietnam can have random people (non state actors) claiming the bomb. people then know they have but deny officially. There are ways to make your adversary know what you have without acknowledging it.

and what more they can even claim building their own bomb (even though the bombs are delivered ready made). Whats wrong in claiming. Many countries claim things they have no association with.

 

[jhungary]

so at least US and Russia can make unknown origin bomb as per you. Whether India can make it or not I will leave to Indian nuclear scientists.

Vietnam can have random people (non state actors) claiming the bomb. people then know they have but deny officially. There are ways to make your adversary know what you have without acknowledging it.

Well, i just want to say this, then i am going to sleep. It's 5:42 am when i type this.

The different between US/Russia and India is US/Russia have access to some one else uranium/plutonium which is not purchased to and for them. So you can mask the uranium/plutonium origin. The reason behind this is to stop black market Uranium/Plutonium from selling in the 70s. So US got someone else Uranium/Plutonium store in DOE stoage site, they can use it and refine them to make the bomb does not appear like American bomb. The project is still TS Clearence i will not divulge more.

As for Russia, they are several different country in the begining of 1997, and Uranium and Plutonium with different origin are processed in Russia for Nuclear Device. hence they too got someone elses Uranium/Plutonium.

There are no way, India can obtain someone else's uranium and plutonium to make bomb that does not appear them. Whoever claim they have nuclear bomb have to show proof for evidence otherwise it's not as much deterent if you just have "random people" say THEY HAVE nuclear device without verified the claim. When they verified the bomb, they will match the specific material into ore from specific origin. Then India will be doomed. You don't need to believe that, does not mean it less true.

When it come down to, if and only if after China were attacked by nuclear strike fromVietnam, China protest to the UN, IAEA request all Uranium/Plutonium ore to hand in a smaple so they can find out whose bomb is it, there aren't that many uranium/plutonium mine in the world, and if they are indian's uranium/plutonium, every other mine will just simplely hand in the sample as they are none of their busines, what will it be if Indian refuse to hand in the sample? Or if IAEA already have the sample to match with India, lol do remember U-235 have 60 years half life, so it will be 60 years before a change. and even plutonium havd 20 years half life. So the UN and IAEA have at least 20 years to find out who actually did this. Would you think india can escape this if they actually gave the bomb to Vietnam??

 

[timetravel]

Well, i just want to say this, then i am going to sleep. It's 5:42 am when i type this.

The different between US/Russia and India is US/Russia have access to some one else uranium/plutonium which is not purchased to and for them. So you can mask the uranium/plutonium origin. The reason behind this is to stop black market Uranium/Plutonium from selling in the 70s. So US got someone else Uranium/Plutonium store in DOE stoage site, they can use it and refine them to make the bomb does not appear like American bomb. The project is still TS Clearence i will not divulge more.

As for Russia, they are several different country in the begining of 1997, and Uranium and Plutonium with different origin are processed in Russia for Nuclear Device. hence they too got someone elses Uranium/Plutonium.

There are no way, India can obtain someone else's uranium and plutonium to make bomb that does not appear them. Whoever claim they have nuclear bomb have to show proof for evidence otherwise it's not as much deterent if you just have "random people" say THEY HAVE nuclear device without verified the claim. When they verified the bomb, they will match the specific material into ore from specific origin. Then India will be doomed. You don't need to believe that, does not mean it less true.

good for you if you believe India dont have access to uranium from other sources apart from India. good night. that is why I said whether India can make unknown origin bomb is decided by Indian nuclear scientists.

so do not blame India if Vietnam tests a nuke. someday.

good night and dont remain awake so long. Dont you have work