India - China conflict and Pakistan's position

[Dr Shaheryar]

1. In case of a full blown war - pakistan should start digging underground bunkers so save as many pakistani as possible from the nuclear fallout (your country is too close geographically to India and China)

2. In case of light intensity conflict - repeat 1 as you never know when it goes out of hand

And what will happen to India, when nearly 100's of nuc bombs will fall on it from everywhere. Imagine. Please keep your filthy minds rubbish to yourself and pray that no nuclear war happens.

 

[JohnyD]

Me too..

I wish it happens during Modi Raj..will be a great show to remember whole life!

 

[footmarks]

And what will happen to India, when nearly 100's of nuc bombs will fall on it from everywhere. Imagine. Please keep your filthy minds rubbish to yourself and pray that no nuclear war happens.

From everywhere??

Perhaps you need to read it again. I said India is too close to Pakistan and if nuclear war happens, and if nuclear bombs are used on India, pakistan will also get a lot of fallout related casualities.

And that's assuming pakistan takes the 3rd option of the poll.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

good points Sir. But as i said earlier, maybe there is no need for Pakistan to enter this war as it will be ended/close to end due to the interference of US and other major Player's. there can e too cases. 1st, maybe it's too late for Pakistan to enter that war then. 2nd, maybe it will open-up for anyone as it's been 10 days now. Maybe US will enter this war even before Pakistan or would try to bring this war to an end even before Pakistan think of joining it. i mean, "anything can happen".

Now, as you are right about Vietnam and Japan garbing the opportunity but i don't think they would take any risk, Just to remember, now-a-days "trade" is everything. the trade volume of these countries with china is too big to be avoided in such an adventure. Even the war with India is just "a work of imagination".

about Israel, i don't think they will come "this" open. there support for India "any" would be secret. and it won't be the first time in history. they have supported you many times against Pakistan. so it would just be "another day" for Pakistan.

There is too much of stake for the whole world for these two countries to go to war. we are talking about 45% of human race, almost total back office and factories of the world. Pakistan Army may try to use this to take advantage by doing kargil kind of misadventure by occupying few areas here and there to be later forced to vacate or kicked out of Indian occupied areas but nothing openly. I tell you why, because India can resolve the matter with China through diplomatic means but any misadventure by Pakistan will be considered as an opportunity by India to divert the public attention back to the western border.

Yes, trade is an instrument to control countries but again the risk will be of china as these are the markets/consumers and china needs these markets to run its factories. Given an option, none of these countries will buy from China. Also US may leverage North Korean angle to start something in the peninsula creating more headache for China.and you know where ever uncle sam is there is no straight walk

But I too believe it is very expensive route to enter into a war between two countries specially when we are talking about India and China. Even a small border skirmish can snowball into full fledged war in a smallest of a misjudgment by a junior soldiers mis-adventures. Both the countries should respect the status quo position prior to June 6 which resulted in this scenario.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

You forget battlefield nukes.

 

[Kapwercs]

What are we buying billions and billions of dollars worth of weapons for if war is not a option ?
@unbiasedopinion

 

[Spring Onion]

Its very funny to read your statement. I hope all out Pakistan friends do remember what China did to them during 1971 war. They did not even move the troops to the border. Everywhere in the forum I can see your guys mentioning Pakistan is a friend of China. But from Chinese side, they only see you as a puppet nothing more.

They never helped you in any war, Including the last major war Kargil. They are trapping you in a big Debt crisis using CPEC. If you involve in any war you must get some returns out of it. What kind of benefit you get even if you support China in the war and defeat India?

Are you guys willing to support any external aggression against India just to separate Kashmir? All of you must remember one thing, Pakistan being a country to run country just with the ROI from your military, if there is no India, no Nukes for Pakistan, no debt on CPEC from China, no financial aid from any country and you guys will be bankrupt in "no time". Its a open question to all of you folks.

Also to reiterate, this conflict will not end in war. This conflict id definitely a result some other "intention" , could have been from India or from China. Please note that India is implementing GST, Indian government definitely need to divert people from noticing any effect of GST. or There could be some political reason from China too , which I don,t know. But this will be resolved peacefully as usual.

i think you need to read the difference between 71 and 17 also the level of our relation with China at that time and the current period. secondly CPEC is not centric. thirdly not only Pakistan but sri lanka nepal even bd need china for better security
Pakistan will not support aggression against india for Kashmir but we should support our ally china against india for our own security.
as far defence related equipment does it mean if there is no china then there would be no weapons for india???

 

[spsk]

i think you need to read the difference between 71 and 17 also the level of our relation with China at that time and the current period. secondly CPEC is not centric. thirdly not only Pakistan but sri lanka nepal even bd need china for better security
Pakistan will not support aggression against india for Kashmir but we should support our ally china against india for our own security.
as far defence related equipment does it mean if there is no china then there would be no weapons for india???

Unlike Pakistan, Srilanka and Nepal will not allow Chinese military presence in their soil. You have allowed Chinese security forces and USA Military in your soil. China has no treaty with you to protect from any aggression. Even if there is a war between India and Pakistan, China will only sell weapons for higher interest rates. There is no way you get any favor from China. Post any war you loose, what ever the outcome may be.

Even Pakistan's Prime Minister does not know the benefits of CPEC. Do you think India will allow Russia or USA to execute this kind of massive infra projects with military significance in India? If you disagree this, its up to you.

Even if there is no China, India will still buy weapons from all over the world. I hope you understand one more thing, India is not only buying weapons. We are importing a lot of stuff from all over the world. India as on today badly needs solar cells from China which is helping us to produce cheaper electricity. As long we are nto into economic crisis military build up will continue whether China exists or not.

 

[Spring Onion]

Unlike Pakistan, Srilanka and Nepal will not allow Chinese military presence in their soil. You have allowed Chinese security forces and USA Military in your soil. China has no treaty with you to protect from any aggression. Even if there is a war between India and Pakistan, China will only sell weapons for higher interest rates. There is no way you get any favor from China. Post any war you loose, what ever the outcome may be.

Even Pakistan's Prime Minister does not know the benefits of CPEC. Do you think India will allow Russia or USA to execute this kind of massive infra projects with military significance in India? If you disagree this, its up to you.

Even if there is no China, India will still buy weapons from all over the world. I hope you understand one more thing, India is not only buying weapons. We are importing a lot of stuff from all over the world. India as on today badly needs solar cells from China which is helping us to produce cheaper electricity. As long we are nto into economic crisis military build up will continue whether China exists or not.

you can't claim that sl neoal will never enter into deeper military alliance with china. let this development to the circumstances instead of giving final verdict on the basis of emotionalism.
also let cpec takes a final shape. we know its pros and cons .
so can you explain what indian military build up is for??

 

[spsk]

you can't claim that sl neoal will never enter into deeper military alliance with china. let this development to the circumstances instead of giving final verdict on the basis of emotionalism.
also let cpec takes a final shape. we know its pros and cons .
so can you explain what indian military build up is for??

Its obvious, For the very same reason why your military is serving your country.

 

[Callsign Chaos]

Indian can easily fight a two front war, on Pakistani border we fight an offensive war and on China front an offensive-defence war.

 

[ShoutB]

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[omegalamba7XL9]

Three options.
1. If small conflict then support independence of sikkim in from INDIA. It will serve as a buffer state between CHINA and INDIA.
2. If conflicts gets to division level b/w India and China then Pakistan should move more troops to the border and possibly move in some sectors on battalion level at strategic choke points to off balance them.
3. If India is on verge of losing sikkim then move in Rajhastan area to either strike further or negotiate with India for Kashmir since Pak Army will be harnessing Gujarat.

 

[Brickwall]

India will react as it is expected to react. Meekly. It's not like Pakistani army is marching into Delhi or bombay. Both Pakistan and China will resolve their respective disputed territories with India militarily, without venturing into mainland India. World will come to terms with that and with it India as well. Rhetoric aside, India is no fool to make its mainland radioactive waste for the sake of disputed territories. Besides even a hint of India going nuclear will trigger first strikes, hell, Pakistan on its own can send India into oblivion, I will leave it to your imagination what if China joins the party.

Is this same overconfidence that was being said, 1 Muslim is equal to 10 Hindus.

In war you need to prepare for everything, You never what ugly turn it may take, IF you want to understand more clearly revisit 1971, you will get clearer picture

 

[Basel]

True, what I meant was the question is whether Pakistan wants a war with India? In case of a localized conflict with China, if Pakistan tries something adventures then India can climb the escalation ladder as it pleases and it will be an all out war then, with implementation the cold start doctrine etc. Only in case of an all out war with China Pakistan will have an opportunity but chances of an all out war is pretty slim.

Even with localized conflict between India and China happened then Pakistan can create local conflict on LoC by pushing in some sectors to put pressure on India and if later try to turn it in full war then China will also have opportunity to take back it's occupied areas it's not as simple as Indian members here think.

Pakistan will do nothing as usual as was in 1962...

In 1962 Pakistan was tied by USA now US don't have that kind of leverage on Pakistan also if China gives full high end equipment support like J-10/11s and Type 54A/52C then Pakistan may enter Kargil type conflict to keep India busy.

Quite possible Salim (US) will come knocking from Afghanistan and strip you of your nuclear weapons
(Trump is just waiting for an opportunity), may be even bifurcate you guys too

Nope China will not let that happen as they also have contingency plans, many Indian just can't understand the level of cooperation Pakistan and China have with each other.