`India capable of taking out targets in Pakistan`

[Jackdaws]

The answer to that is simple, our army is ineffective and bloated. Hello Mr. General let me starch that collar for you, whilst you sit in your air conditioned bubble. What's that, you' didn't get your daily cup of mango and cinnamon infusion... Oh the travesty, and whilst we are on the subject of priorities... Screw the national defense, just wait a moment whilst i requisition a 10 man cavalcade to go fetch daily commodities for your Mrs.

Rest assured, despite the bravado - India is going to do no such thing. Our civilian govt is too chicken to do anything of that nature.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

The answer to that is simple, our army is ineffective and bloated. Hello Mr. General let me starch that collar for you, whilst you sit in your air conditioned bubble. What's that, you' didn't get your daily cup of mango and cinnamon infusion... Oh the travesty, and whilst we are on the subject of priorities... Screw the national defense, just wait a moment whilst i requisition a 10 man cavalcade to go fetch daily commodities for your Mrs.

Its not like that , even the fact that the U.S could somehow evade your radar does not make the PA ineffectual .

Even if India did consider such a move , there are many reasons for it not to be applied on the field...

1) The PA army is always on hyper-alert on the eastern border with surveillance equipment , radar etc directed against forces across the border . So the element of surprise here , unlike in case of the U.S special ops -operating ....is virtually nil . For a successful op like this to come through and not snowball into a real ,ugly conflict....it has to be executed swiftly before the P Armed regulars can effectively mobilize. I doubt even the U.S could have evacuated their Special operatives once the PA had cordoned them off in Abottabad which is why the mission had to be swift.

2) most importantly with Pakistani forces having a low nuke threshold and declaring a policy of a nuke strike at the slightest provocation - this factors into the thinking of the Indian Military in every conflict or armed action. As bad as it sounds , the IA still has not found an effective counter to such a quagmire and are still thinking of a way to resolve this . So Pakistani strategists should be reassured of the unfeasibility of such an attempt .

 

[foxbat]

This is such a load of crap really.. Of course Indian Armed forces are capable enough to do a similar operation. The probability of success will certainly be lower than what it was for USA due to technical superiority of USAF. Similarly, Pakistani armed forces are capable too to do a similar operation in India. Its never the kick off operation that is a problem. As a matter of fact most of such ops are a success due to the element of surprise. The key is the aftermath. Neither India nor Pakistan in the current scenario has the stomach to handle the aftermath of some thing similar initiated by them. USA did not have that problem..

So the obvious answer to whether the capability exists is YES. But then comes the stuff around need and the cost (aftermath) and thats what Gen Singh said as well. If Need be it can be done. Am sure if someone asked this to Kayani, his answer will be the same.

 

[Super Falcon]

hahahhahahahahhaha

 

[Guest01]

After what happened in OBL case, i seriously doubt if we can stop India's activities, once they decide to go forward with such a plan. It was a good eye opener for the Pakistani nation who were living under false sense of security. I can't believe what i am writing here, and certainly never thought i would say something like this but i for one have little faith left in the so called armed forces of my country. May God bless us all.

It is nothing like that Sir. Imagine a moron journalist asking the general this question. What was he supposed to respond? Good that he kept it short and crisp. General Singh is a very level headed and prudent officer. You will rarely see him trapped in this jingoism. I think he got out of the situation pretty well and did not take the bait.

Re your army, I think that it is very capable, however, in my view, instead of working for Pakistan, in their foolhardiness, they working against Pakistan.

 

[All-Green]

The answer to that is simple, our army is ineffective and bloated. Hello Mr. General let me starch that collar for you, whilst you sit in your air conditioned bubble. What's that, you' didn't get your daily cup of mango and cinnamon infusion... Oh the travesty, and whilst we are on the subject of priorities... Screw the national defense, just wait a moment whilst i requisition a 10 man cavalcade to go fetch daily commodities for your Mrs.

Sir,

I agree that we have been massively let down by the response of our leadership.

However i do not believe that we were not aware, atleast not to this level that the helis left and then we rushed in.
This being a defense forum i shall have to say that this could not have been done by keeping us in dark all the time, purely based on capabilities, SOPs and professionalism of our junior cadre of officers even if we are bombarding the generals at this time.
We need to take into account the location which was near PMA and the security protocols in place especially in these troubled times. Armed response units are everywhere in the cantonments.
You can see them around most of the pickets there is usually an armed guard on wheels on top of the patrols which are ongoing.
There was bound to be a QRF on wheels in the vicinity...no chance in hell that they were not aware and did not rush in, unless they were told to stand down.
Even in a remote area like Angoor Adda the military responded immediately with live fire when such an action was about to take place without prior authorization, no hesitation was there on part of our soldiers to follow standard protocol, even if the perpetrators were our allies.

For whatever reason, this particular narrative has been agreed to serve some purpose which is beneficial in the long run, the million dollar question is how so since it stinks too much.
Anyways, OBL is dead and that is good news and shall be used to isolate AQ and talk with Taliban.
I shall not go into more details since it is hypothetical and the site may go down again if i ramble on ...

However, one way or another our narrative belies belief and sucks big time... i completely understand your frustration and am not proud of this moment.

Either way it was a post operation stance which is not strong and is compromised based on fear of domestic disapproval, yet it shall not guarantee any approval as well.
We need to be strong, whether our allies have violated some agreement or if we have actively helped remove the symbol of twisted tafkiris and are fearful of the reaction.
We should have had a strong principled narrative here.
Our journey through the gray land needs to end soon and we need to see in terms of black or white.

P.S. heated discussion already open between TT, join the party.

 

[Secret Service]

funny general... i remember 90 hours Pakistan China statement ..

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

Why are Pakistanis taking it as an attack on them??? We are talking about attacks on India's most wanted terrorists not Pakistan...Or are you guys in support of the terrorists?

 

[ChinaToday]

giving the current situation between india and pakistan ,any such move by india will be seen as a declaration of war in pakistan

 

[farhan_9909]

to the question he should have answered that

We(Indian armed forces) still Dont hate ourself

 

[sreekimpact]

There is no need for india to attack /surgical strikes or whatever .....

Just wait for couple of years ......

 

[Developereo]

The issue is never the operation itself, but the backup behind it. The US could have come in with horns blaring and landed in the middle of Islamabad. The PA is not going to shoot down a manned American aircraft.

India is a different matter altogether.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

The issue is never the operation itself, but the backup behind it. The US could have come in with horns blaring and landed in the middle of Islamabad. The PA is not going to shoot down a manned American aircraft.

India is a different matter altogether.

Maybe not shot down but definitely surrounded by fighter jets , escorted to the nearest Air Force base and forced to fly back home ...The point is not what the U.S-Pakistani relationship is or Indo-Pakistani relationship is ...but the level of capability vis -a-vis each other , the debate being capability wise whether such an action is possible or not.

My view : Capability wise , its not.

 

[Goodperson]

Maybe not shot down but definitely surrounded by fighter jets , escorted to the nearest Air Force base and forced to fly back home ...The point is not what the U.S-Pakistani relationship is or Indo-Pakistani relationship is ...but the level of capability vis -a-vis each other , the debate being capability wise whether such an action is possible or not.

My view : Capability wise , its not.

No point in doubting the capability just for the argument its IA chief talking not a politician. However only Politician replied to IA chiefs claim now judge whether you believe him or not

Pakistan warns US, India against covert operations

Pakistan warns US, India against covert operations
Pakistan foreign secretary Salman Bashir said that the US mission to kill Osama bin Laden was a covert operation.

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Thursday warned the US and India against any further covert operation in Pakistani territory, saying this would lead to a "terrible catastrophe".

Admitting that the US assault that killed Osama bin Laden did achieve "important results", foreign secretary Salman Bashir told the media: "This cannot be taken as a rule."

"There should be no doubt that Pakistan has a capacity to ensure its own defence," he said.

In an apparent reference to India, Bashir said: "Any other country that would ever act (similarly) on the assumption that it has the might ... will find it has made a basic miscalculation."

He added: "We see a lot of bravado in our region... from the military, air force, which state that this can be repeated.

"We feel that sort of misadventure or miscalculation will result in a catastrophe."

 

[@nline]

Well if they have such a capability , better to have used it after Mumbai and silenced the critics . Having such a capability isn't important , what is required is they use it in times of need and even more importantly STOP issuing such Statements beforehand ....

India don`t have it.
Otheriwse they may have already use it after Mumbai Attack.