India can’t defeat Pakistan or China in war

[terranMarine]

Clearly old enough to know that quora is not a news source but a conduit to air opinions. How old are you?



Lol. The grasp of history of a Chinese! The West was united. They were bankrupt but Churchill would have loved another war. The Allies had the atom bomb. But please continue making a fool of yourself - that is the most endearing part of the Chinese - their ignorance is only exceeded by their stupidity.

Yes quora is not a news source what about yours? What is your news source? At least i made screenshots from a detailed research.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Ok let's quote some Bangladeshis here and see what they have to say?
@Maira La

And you're certain these individuals' view reflects their countrymen's views as well??

Most of the members of Bangladesh forum are Anti Hasina and pro islamists.And yet Bangladesh is getting ruled by Hasina and not Islamists.Same goes for other members as well.In fact,nationality of these members itself has been questioned from time to time.You want to get a clear picture,rather go through their country's policies.

Now,you want me to post articles about Indo-Bangladesh formal relationship??I'm all in.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

And you're certain these individuals' view reflects their countrymen's views as well??

Most of the members of Bangladesh forum are Anti Hasina and pro islamists.And yet Bangladesh is getting ruled by Hasina and not Islamists.Same goes for other members as well.In fact,nationality of these members itself has been questioned from time to time.You want to get a clear picture,rather go through their country's policies.

Now,you want me to post articles about Indo-Bangladesh formal relationship??I'm all in.

Ok in case of war with China and Pakistan, India will be helped by Sheikh Haseena Wajid are you happy?

 

[Mugwop]

And you're certain these individuals' view reflects their countrymen's views as well??

Most of the members of Bangladesh forum are Anti Hasina and pro islamists.And yet Bangladesh is getting ruled by Hasina and not Islamists.Same goes for other members as well.In fact,nationality of these members itself has been questioned from time to time.You want to get a clear picture,rather go through their country's policies.

Now,you want me to post articles about Indo-Bangladesh formal relationship??I'm all in.

Post any articles you want if it makes you happy this is a free forum.
Most Bangladeshis are Anti-Hasina not just the ones on this forum.
The word Islamists is made by Anti-muslim bigots,Maybe if you stopped using such terms you can improve your relations with them. Maybe

 

[rott]

The same reason why almost all Chinese neighbors are pro-American.

Can you please name those countries?

My dear Pak Friend,

You are wrong. indians have bra-mooz and it can attack both China and Pak simultaneously.

Sino-Pak Axis is doomed now. I say better surrender and become part of indian empire!

There are arjun and tejas as well....so I guess game over.

No one can ever win any war of words from indians.

You take care.

SPF

War of words? I would call it war of BS. They are the best at it. BS is Indians' second name.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

Can you please name those countries?
War of words? I would call it war of BS. They are the best at it. BS is Indians' second name.

Its very normal. When a country scares the $hit out of you, all you do is BS. That's what a few Indian members are doing. They're just trolling as they know that they can't even think of competing with China. China has given India such a mighty gap that can't be covered even in 1000 years. Let them BS, in the meanwhile China and Pakistan will progress day and night until the inevitable happens

 

[Dragon4]

Ever heard of Nathuram Vinayak Godse's ashes?

What has Godse to do anything here TTA?

 

[rott]

Its very normal. When a country scares the $hit out of you, all you do is BS. That's what a few Indian members are doing. They're just trolling as they know that they can't even think of competing with China. China has given India such a mighty gap that can't be covered even in 1000 years. Let them BS, in the meanwhile China and Pakistan will progress day and night until the inevitable happens

It's better to have a war than to listen to Indians BS. Let them start and we'll end it.

 

[mrrehan]

India can’t defeat Pakistan or China in war
March 25, 2017

Book says Pakistan a military power while India a military force

NEW DELHI: To provoke a somnolent establishment into action, your message has to be blunt. There cannot be a more blunt warning to India’s political leadership and defence establishment than what Pravin Sawhney and Ghazala Wahab have delivered in their admirable and unsparing book Dragon On Our Doorstep: Managing China Through Military Power. Let alone China, India cannot even win a war against Pakistan.

This has been stated in an Indian media’s review of the book.

One of their key arguments is that the political leadership has to improve their understanding of military matters and involve the views of defence forces while making critical national security decisions. Another provocative take is that the Indian army is a bloated force and has to shed flab, by reducing the number of personnel at its disposal. They call for a review of both field force and non-field force in the army in order to move towards professionalism. The authors also want the army to disengage itself from counter-insurgency operations, a task at best left to paramilitary forces, and regain its edge to do its primary task- fight the enemy.

Dragon On Our Doorstep could be a little misleading title since the authors are not only discussing the China threat but India’s defence strategy. In full play is Pakistan, Kashmir and the red menace, the greatest threat India is facing, as former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh put it. Sawhney and Wahab say that in terms of threat, Pakistan is China and China is Pakistan, pointing out especially the ‘inter-operability’ that both military forces have achieved.

So despite the strongman Narendra Modi at the helm, why can’t India defeat Pakistan in a war? Sawhney and Wahab make a critical distinction to win their argument. Pakistan has built military power, India a military force. And they explain: “Military force involves the mere collection of war-withal, that is, building up of troops and war-waging material; military power is about optimal utilization of military force. It entails an understanding of the adversaries and the quantum of threat from each, the nature of warfare, domains of war, how it would be fought, and structural military reforms at various levels to meet these challenges.”

Sawhney and Wahab write that the political leadership which would decide the terms of war engagement understands neither nuclear weapons nor military power. “Its responses would be slow, tardy, ad hoc and piecemeal rather than bold and substantive if the countries were to go to war.” What else makes Indian defence forces vulnerable? Since the defence forces are outside the government, they have little interaction with the political leadership in peacetime and little say in the acquisition of conventional weapons. The defence services have little knowledge and understanding of their own nuclear weapons and Pakistan’s nuclear redlines. As India does not have an efficient indigenous defence industry, war supplies are not assured. All these, for an average reader, sound pretty scary.

There is more in store. Sawhney and Wahab write that the Indian Air Force has critical deficiencies in combat aircraft, training aircraft, simulators, air defence and network-centricity. “Most of all, the joint-ness in operations between the army and the air force, which is a critical requirement at the operational level for a short and swift, war is absent. This was obvious from the last localized Kargil conflict that the two services fought together. Instead of a single operation, the army’s operation was named Vijay, while the IAF campaign was called Safed Sagar.”

The authors also examine India’s foreign policy in relation to China and Pakistan and criticise Modi for his failure in not rising as a statesman prime minister to transform India into a leading power. Modi’s foreign policy, the authors say, is more optics than substance.

They say that ‘Act East, Think West’ policy is hampered by the perennial failures in strategic thinking and a lack of appreciation for military power. They pick on India’s foreign aid policy and say that if our neighbours are neither deferential nor deterrent there is something amiss. Sawhaney and Wahab argue that aid is seldom given to fulfill the needs of the recipient. It is given to meet the requirements — strategic in the case of nations- of the giver. And if the requirements are not met, you increase the aid or diversify it. They also say that India is the only country in the world where foreign policy with nations having disputed borders — China and Pakistan — is made with regard to military advice. All these criticisms should rile the defence establishment and the bureaucrats who have straitjacketed India’s foreign policy.

The other strong and significant argument that Sawhney and Wahab put forward is that the government of India should open unconditional talks with everyone alienated from the national mainstream, irrespective of their professed public positions. They caution that even the biggest of powers have not been able to withstand internal discord because they understand that the financial and military effort required to keep it in check debilitates the nation in the long run. Sawhney and Wahab are absolutely justified when the say that if India is able to win over the tribal population of central India and the people from the northeastern states, it will be able to free up a substantive number of its soldiers from internal stability and counter-insurgency operations.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/194385-India-cant-defeat-Pakistan-or-China-in-war

Pakistan have build it's capability with shortage of every equipment use in war, from the day one, so we learnt how to use things to their optimum. In order to achieve this goal, emphasis increase to buildup capability building. That leads us to create world class military training institutions.

The war's with India and indirectly with superpower USSR provides canvas to improve the shades in picture. The sanctions in different timings give us the aspects of independence and out of the box solution. Thanks for Chinese brotherly help in many crucial times.

In the last thanks to cold start, by India to boost us to fully integration of forces, new level of coordination including urban warfare and counter terrorism. It will be in the favor of Pakistan or China that India disregard the points raised in book like "Dragon On Our Doorstep..." and godhead with the current mindset.

 

[StraightShooter]

The title is redundant.

If India cannot beat Pakistan then it is obvious that it cannot beat China.

The irony is in spite of India loosing the war to China in 1962, India still does not recognize Tibet as integral part of China while Pakistan readily ceded land to China on seeing India loosing war to China. The effects of Indo-China war were felt in Pakistan.

Sino-Indian War : 20 October – 21 November 1962

Sino-Pakistan border agreement : 2 March 1963.

 

[MultaniGuy]

India can never win a two front war against Pakistan and China.

 

[StraightShooter]

India can never win a two front war against Pakistan and China.

The OP is not about India winning or loosing a two front war.

Let alone China, India cannot even win a war against Pakistan.

 

[scionoftheindus]

We all know Pakistan is invincible

Pakistan army is really great....They could wipe out all terrorists from pak in no time and tourists and cricketers are thronging to come to Pakistan now..Sorry it was just 8 years ago that there was an attack on SL cricketers who were travelling with a security convoy..Have to give it to the pak army..bravo

 

[SHAH820]

Is it??

Sometimes I wonder,what purpose Defense.pk serves in our lives.Gathering knowledge or providing an alternate reality(aka Propaganda).

I can assure you,Afghanistan,Nepal,Bhutan,Bangladesh and Sri Lanka is still Pro India and not Pro China(in fact,most only started having warm relationship in the last decade only).

You can post some article blaming India for their poor condition or waving Chinese flag and dancing,but believe me,in that aspect,CPM cadres in India are much more Pro China than all the other neighbours combined.

India Not even need US troops support in fighting inside India itself all we need them to engage china in SCS with japan


joker of the century

They tried in 1965 and 1999 while in process lost an important glacier

Exactly and you won in 1971 and Siachin is just a glacier againg saying congrats on such massive victories

We are happy to have many defeats like Kargil and really happy that you won the Kargil war

East Pakistani colony

yes It is where Indian army budget and Capex and Military resources is Thrice Larger than you

I Not even included economy

am sure..



you think pak can win war with India

nice try,

A simple question ? If you are so sure about the capabilities of India forces, what is stopping Pakistan from liberating Kashmir (with or without Chinese help) ?? After all we are the aggressors/occupiers as per you guys.

Useless thread.

Most hilarious answer from a Pakistan I've ever seen.

Ever heard the phrase "kashmir banega pakistan" ?? I bet the origin of that is not India or even China.

A self pleasuring writer.
So all military capability of India is vague,dim cause Pakistan naam hi kaafi h..
Waiting for next attempt of Pakistanis to get Kashmir.Just want to see wat lesson the have got since last 70 years.

This book came out nearly 20 years late...

Whole world believed that India can't fight with Pakistan..

Then Kargil War happened.

Nuclear or Non Nuclear,every country can fight each other.Nuclear Threshold never guarantees that 2 states will never engage in a fight.Rather it just ensures that it'll never reach to MAD level.

These noob experts should look at Cuban Missile crisis,Vietnam War,Korean War and other dozens of war countries fought.They should also look at Arab-Israel War.Even when Israel had nukes and Arab countries didn't,they fought all out wars like Yom Kippur War.

Bunch of nancies and their daydream theory.

In which world you really live .

Combine armies of Republic of India, Republic of Bangladesh, Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal and Republic of Sri Lanka.

It's tough to argue that Pakistan's military needs to dominate the government and national budget when, with reports like this one, it can be seen that India has little or no serious interest in building a military capable of expanding India's rule beyond its current borders.

hey look indians spreading their propaganda and thinking they are invincible hahhahahahhaha they cant feed their soldiers right despite having more then 5x budget then us

now back to topic 1948 pakistan won prove 40% of kashmir
1965 we won prove

grave yard of indian tanks

khemkaran punjab india

munabao rajasthan india

rangarh punjab india

how pakistan's small army with little budget and out dated weapons was able to defeat india in 1965 war?
and for 1971 war you cant even defeat us without the help of the KGB and was still unable to capture a single piece of land and for KGB we destroyed USSR and divided it into 11 parts
1999 kargil pakistan won prove LOC signed by your leaders in 2003

yeah have a good day defeating us in your dream we know your every next move

and for economy what economy served you in those war
you have 67 separatist movement you cant even control situation in your country 700k soldiers in kashmir and cant even control its situation

 

[beijingwalker]

The irony is in spite of India loosing the war to China in 1962, India still does not recognize Tibet as integral part of China

Here comes another ignorant Indian fellow, check your govenment official stand on Tibet and then come back to talk.