India cancels plans to buy 48 Mi-17 V5 helicopters from Russia

[Surya 1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1515394868595539968

https://twitter.com/x/status/1515395150062702592

Couple of months back, P8I proposed deal was also cancled.

 

[Bilal9]

@Tejaswithuttam

Now that you're BANNED you can go back to your tricycle of a d!ckless Forum - & tell 'em that you got b!tch-slapped by @Windjammer and @Trailer23

Its okay, you all know us all too well.

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I am an Willem Dafoe fan. Quirky though he is - great talent! Gonna steal this GIF.

 

[Windjammer]

@Tejaswithuttam

Now that you're BANNED you can go back to your tricycle of a d!ckless Forum - & tell 'em that you got b!tch-slapped by @Windjammer and @Trailer23

Its okay, you all know us all too well.

Boys at View attachment 835496 be like...

No doubt these products of gang rapes find one way or another to crawl and pollute our forums....and then there are others lingering around ready to kiss any stray Indian a$$ that brings their table manners here.

 

[Bilal9]

Seeing some comments it feels as if some people are burning with jealously. Burn baby burn.

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India's current capability to design and manufacture helis is not surprising, after all HAL was set up in WWII by the Americans to maintain dakotas and C-119 packets. 75 years plus has passed since then.

What is surprising (and embarrassing) though is that HAL (after seventy five years) continues to come up with faulty designs like the Tejas and ALH (even after extensive ToT involvements and foreign parts integration) while countries like China did so much better re-doing and coming up with original designs (witness the Y-20, Heavy Helis like the AC-313, airliners like the ARJ-21, C919, C929 and even the C939 now). Where are the Indian equivalents?

Y-20

AC-313

C919

CR-929

@beijingwalker brother I don't have access to a lot of pictures of Chinese medium-size and larger helis especially AC-313. Maybe you can kindly post.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Seeing some comments it feels as if some people are burning with jealously. Burn baby burn.

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Imagine your nation's Aerospace exports being below Congo

That would cause some shonor level burns

 

[TOTUU]

From nano to computer to chemistry... China overtakes the US

Top 1% of scientific papers cited in the top 10 fields
reporter
Enter 2022.04.05 03:00

An analysis showed that China has surpassed the United States not only in the quantity but also in the quality of scientific papers . In the number of papers in the top 1% of the Citation Index, China surpassed the United States in all fields except life sciences and medicine. The Citation Index is an indicator of how many citations have been made in other papers, and is used to judge how good the research is.

The Korea Institute of Science and Technology Information (KISTI) released a report on the 4th of the 'Global U.S.-China Science and Technology Competition Topographic Map' containing these details. KISTI divided the scientific fields into 10 categories and compared the number of papers from 2000 to 2019 and the number of papers in the top 1% of the citation index by field. The ten major fields are computer and information science, physics and astronomy, chemistry, life science, electrical and electronic engineering, mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, materials engineering, nanotechnology, and clinical medicine.

/Graphic = Park Sang-hoon
◇ Top 1% papers, twice as much as the US in 5 fields

In the number of scientific papers, China has already overtaken the United States five years ago. According to OECD statistics, China surpassed the United States in 2017 and the European Union (EU) in terms of paper volume in 2019, respectively. As of 2020, China published more than 660,000 papers a year, accounting for 21.2% of the world's academic literature. The EU and US share are 19.7% and 15.6%, respectively.

China surpassed the United States at the same time in the quality of scientific papers. According to KISTI, from 2000 to 2002 alone, the United States was overwhelmingly first in the number and quality of papers in all 10 fields. China stayed in the top five. However, from 2010 to 2012, China ranked second and third overall in both quantity and quality, chasing the chin of the United States. And from 2017 to 2019, in 8 of 10 scientific fields, it surpassed the top 1% of papers in the U.S. Citation Index, ranking first in the world. The share of the top 1% of papers in China's 2017-2019 Citation Index ranges from a minimum of 43.41% (physics and astronomy) to a maximum of 71.37% (nanotechnology).

In particular, in the number of top 1% papers in the Citation Index, China exceeded that of the United States in 5 out of 10 fields. Not only did the rankings change, but the gap widened significantly. These fields are chemistry, electrical and electronic engineering, mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, and nanotechnology, all of which are related to cutting-edge technologies such as artificial intelligence (AI), quantum, and semiconductors. Park Jin-seo, head of KISTI's Global R&D Analysis Center, said, "There has been talk of China as a quantitative threat to the United States for more than 10 years, but now the United States will feel a sense of crisis in terms of research performance."

Cost of R&D investment in the US and China
It is only in the life sciences and clinical medicine fields that China has not yet caught up with the US. The share of the top 1% papers in China's Citation Index was 22.86% in the life sciences, second with 11.69%, and the ninth place. The United States is number one in both fields.

◇Spending 700 trillion won into annual R&D

China's progress is attributable to the nation's large-scale investment in R&D to foster science. According to the Belfer Center, a think tank at Harvard Kennedy School of Public Administration, in 2000, China's annual R&D investment amounted to $30 billion , which was one-ninth of that of the United States ($270 billion). However, in 2020, it almost caught up with the United States ($640 billion) with $580 billion .

China is expanding investment in basic science as well as application fields such as manufacturing process development. At the National People's Congress in March last year, Premier Li Keqiang announced that he would focus on developing seven core technologies for AI, quantum, brain science, gene biotechnology, clinical medicine, integrated circuits, and deep-sea, space, and polar exploration. President Xi Jinping also directly mentioned the need for quantum technology development. The US National Science Foundation (NSF) analyzed that “the US invests 17% of its total R&D in basic science, while China focuses on developing new products and processes.”

 

[Bilal9]

From nano to computer to chemistry... China overtakes the US

Top 1% of scientific papers cited in the top 10 fields
reporter
Enter 2022.04.05 03:00

An analysis showed that China has surpassed the United States not only in the quantity but also in the quality of scientific papers . In the number of papers in the top 1% of the Citation Index, China surpassed the United States in all fields except life sciences and medicine. The Citation Index is an indicator of how many citations have been made in other papers, and is used to judge how good the research is.

The Korea Institute of Science and Technology Information (KISTI) released a report on the 4th of the 'Global U.S.-China Science and Technology Competition Topographic Map' containing these details. KISTI divided the scientific fields into 10 categories and compared the number of papers from 2000 to 2019 and the number of papers in the top 1% of the citation index by field. The ten major fields are computer and information science, physics and astronomy, chemistry, life science, electrical and electronic engineering, mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, materials engineering, nanotechnology, and clinical medicine.

/Graphic = Park Sang-hoon
◇ Top 1% papers, twice as much as the US in 5 fields

In the number of scientific papers, China has already overtaken the United States five years ago. According to OECD statistics, China surpassed the United States in 2017 and the European Union (EU) in terms of paper volume in 2019, respectively. As of 2020, China published more than 660,000 papers a year, accounting for 21.2% of the world's academic literature. The EU and US share are 19.7% and 15.6%, respectively.

China surpassed the United States at the same time in the quality of scientific papers. According to KISTI, from 2000 to 2002 alone, the United States was overwhelmingly first in the number and quality of papers in all 10 fields. China stayed in the top five. However, from 2010 to 2012, China ranked second and third overall in both quantity and quality, chasing the chin of the United States. And from 2017 to 2019, in 8 of 10 scientific fields, it surpassed the top 1% of papers in the U.S. Citation Index, ranking first in the world. The share of the top 1% of papers in China's 2017-2019 Citation Index ranges from a minimum of 43.41% (physics and astronomy) to a maximum of 71.37% (nanotechnology).

In particular, in the number of top 1% papers in the Citation Index, China exceeded that of the United States in 5 out of 10 fields. Not only did the rankings change, but the gap widened significantly. These fields are chemistry, electrical and electronic engineering, mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, and nanotechnology, all of which are related to cutting-edge technologies such as artificial intelligence (AI), quantum, and semiconductors. Park Jin-seo, head of KISTI's Global R&D Analysis Center, said, "There has been talk of China as a quantitative threat to the United States for more than 10 years, but now the United States will feel a sense of crisis in terms of research performance."

Cost of R&D investment in the US and China
It is only in the life sciences and clinical medicine fields that China has not yet caught up with the US. The share of the top 1% papers in China's Citation Index was 22.86% in the life sciences, second with 11.69%, and the ninth place. The United States is number one in both fields.

◇Spending 700 trillion won into annual R&D

China's progress is attributable to the nation's large-scale investment in R&D to foster science. According to the Belfer Center, a think tank at Harvard Kennedy School of Public Administration, in 2000, China's annual R&D investment amounted to $30 billion , which was one-ninth of that of the United States ($270 billion). However, in 2020, it almost caught up with the United States ($640 billion) with $580 billion .

China is expanding investment in basic science as well as application fields such as manufacturing process development. At the National People's Congress in March last year, Premier Li Keqiang announced that he would focus on developing seven core technologies for AI, quantum, brain science, gene biotechnology, clinical medicine, integrated circuits, and deep-sea, space, and polar exploration. President Xi Jinping also directly mentioned the need for quantum technology development. The US National Science Foundation (NSF) analyzed that “the US invests 17% of its total R&D in basic science, while China focuses on developing new products and processes.”

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Thanks for posting this brother @TOTUU - now the whole picture is clear.

Of course if mouth and fast talking were weapons and military assets, Modi followers would win by a mile....

 

[Bilal9]

Imagine your nation's Aerospace exports being below Congo

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That would cause some shonor level burns

It's okay Kumar. We don't need to produce aerospace stuff.

We produce what we are good at. What makes us money. You do know why companies exist - right? To possibly export and make money??

With the value-addition money we make - we can give our people better standards than their counterparts in India.

Bangladesh is already ahead of India in per capita nominal income. Did you miss that memo? Take your unwanted advice and shove it - we don't need it from losers doing worse than us.

It's not Sanghi mentality of - having a deshpremi badge of we produce XYZ and have bragging rights for it. That kind of BS doesn't play outside Modi-land.

During Nehru's time hundreds of these loser companies were set up in India at huge outlays, mostly heavy engg. sector (tech collaboration from Czechoslovakia). And then there was HMT - another "Ratna" of a loser. Waste of Indian taxpayer money.

None of your Indian cellphone assemblers to this day have the capability to design/produce cellphone motherboards from scratch - like we have. Every cellphone assembled in India uses imported Chinese parts (even the labels probably for the Karbonn junk).

Meanwhile we are exporting OEM cellphones and Tablets to the US with way better value addition than ever imagined in India. Soon Bangladeshi refrigerators and TV's will be added to US export list among other things. EU is already captured. We don't need to go to Africa and fool them as a 'captive market'. Like your unscrupulous pharma companies do.

You have been beat in apparel sector already ten years ago. Just a small taste of what is about to come in other sectors.

The world has changed Kumar.

Oh sorry - we don't hammer together tailplanes or cargo doors for Boeing - epitome of hi-tek-na-lajee. Too bad - so sad.

 

[Hulk]

Indians hype up their diplomacy saying they can tow the line between Russia and USA and that they are indepedent.
The fact is India is much more compromised and under influence of USA than Pakistan ever be. They are just word warriors. Their actions speak a different story.
1) They cancel order of MIG-29 from Russia
2) They cancel order of helicopters.
Atleast Pakistan on some level is still resisting complete USA subjugation.

What are you buying that you can cancel. You are just resisting criticizing it. That’s it. It does not have same kind of pressure which economic deal has. India always maintains practical foreign policy not driven by senseless emotions that produces only negative outcome

 

[Two banks of the River]

A portion of those 48 were actually meant for Paramilitary forces. The paramilitary like BSF has actually decided to postpone the expansion of their air fleet right now.

The second decision which happened was that Mi17 1V were decided to be kept in service with overhaul program underway. They are in excess of 50. Their OSD now is 2032. The new Mi17V5 were to replace those retiring. But that is no longer a requirement.

This deal was dead long back in 2020 when AoN(which expires in 6 months) was not renewed.

 

[xuxu1457]

.I don't think this is particularly meaningful, because India has cancelled many weapons orders before the war.
These include the cancellation of an order for 30 UAVs from the United States.

 

[StraightEdge]

People keep saying this was due to US pressure, looks like US also pressured India to cancel the predator drone purchase as well. US sanctioned US.

India Scraps $3B Predator Drone Deal With US: Report (thedefensepost.com)

 

[nahtanbob]

Good decision.

India should focus on locally build helicopters...

Hal druv - over 450 helicopters
Hal LuH - 3 - in production
Hal LCH - 3 - in production

Target achieved to develop above helicopters and the next target should be to replace mi17 helicopters with below one.

Indian Multi Role Helicopter​

These are light helicopters
Mi-17s are medium lift helicopters

People keep saying this was due to US pressure, looks like US also pressured India to cancel the predator drone purchase as well. US sanctioned US.

India Scraps $3B Predator Drone Deal With US: Report (thedefensepost.com)

maybe it is made to look like a cancellation in response to American pressure
The Indian military seems to operate 250+ Mi-17 helicopters

 

[PakistaniFirst]

What are you buying that you can cancel. You are just resisting criticizing it. That’s it. It does not have same kind of pressure which economic deal has. India always maintains practical foreign policy not driven by senseless emotions that produces only negative outcome

lol practical foreign policy to anger an ally who provides and maintains 70% of your defence equipment. Sell this "manjan" to your fellow indians who are gullible enough to believe it.
To ans your 1st question, Pakistan was trying a policy shift to not be entirely dependant upon west and was looking to buy cheap oil and wheat from Russia.

 

[Hulk]

lol practical foreign policy to anger an ally who provides and maintains 70% of your defence equipment. Sell this "manjan" to your fellow indians who are gullible enough to believe it.
To ans your 1st question, Pakistan was trying a policy shift to not be entirely dependant upon west and was looking to buy cheap oil and wheat from Russia.

Bhai. We have a very long period of successful foreign policy. Don’t need guidance from someone who is total failure on this front. Please carry on.