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Breakout to breakdown nation - The Times of India

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Ruchir Sharma | Aug 28, 2013, 12.00 AM IST

A not-so-funny thing happened while the world was watching for an emerging markets crisis to erupt in China. The crisis erupted in India instead.

Contagion typically attacks weak links first, often exposing vulnerabilities hidden in plain sight. The fall of the rupee exposes India as having the emerging world's worst fiscal deficit and largest current account deficit in absolute terms.

What went wrong? For much of the past decade, India was celebrated as one of the emerging nations destined to rise indefinitely. Even after the global crisis of 2008, like China and others, it kept growth alive by spending heavily, helped by the easy money flowing out of the US.

Behind the scenes, though, the picture was deteriorating, with crony capitalism, government subsidies and inflation rising rapidly. As early as 2011, money started to flow out of emerging nations as the post-crisis stimulus began to wear off. Economic growth slowed and the flawed structures on which it was built became apparent.

The tipping point came in May, when signals that the US Federal Reserve was serious about tapering off its quantitative easing programme triggered a sharp rise in long-term interest rates in the US, drawing dollars home. The trickle of money out of emerging markets turned into a flood. In India, more dependent than ever on foreign capital, the rupee has fallen 20% since May - the largest decline of all emerging market currencies.

The reversal of global money flows has hit particularly hard those emerging markets with a high current account deficit and leadership that has been in power for nearly a decade or more and lost the will to reform. Along with India, high on this list are countries recently struck by political unrest, including Turkey, Brazil and South Africa. In these nations, the stock market is this year down 10 to 20%, and currencies another 8 to 20%.

Economic growth has now fallen to an average of 4% in emerging nations. In India, it is barely 5%, disappointing for a country with an income of only $1,500 a head, compared with the emerging market average of nearly $10,000.

This is a familiar pickle for India, which has faced a crisis early in each decade since the 1980s. Like leaders in many emerging nations, India's tend to grow complacent in good times, triggering a crisis, which forces reform, leading to a revival. What is unexpected today is that the crisis phase is unfolding under a leader credited for leading reforms after the 1991 crisis.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, an economist, has been consistently wrong on the economy. He has assumed strong investment and savings rates would keep growth above 8%, and dismissed inflation as the natural price of prosperity and crony capitalism as a normal symptom of early-stage growth, rather than recognising it as the cancer it is that leads to a backlash against wealth creation.

India's fundamentals have deteriorated steadily since 2007. The current account deficit has exploded from $8 billion to $90 billion; it now equals 5% of GDP, twice the level academic studies suggest is sustainable. Meanwhile, many corporations have been on a borrowing binge. Since 2007, borrowing by the 10 most indebted companies has risen six-fold to $120 billion, with much of it denominated in foreign currencies.

One in four companies does not have the cash flow to cover its interest payments adequately. Total short-term external debt has risen from $80 billion to $170 billion. There is talk in New Delhi that, for the third time since the 1981 crisis, India may have to appeal to the IMF.

The situation is not yet that critical. The last time India turned to the IMF, in 1991, it had enough foreign exchange reserves to pay for less than a month's worth of imports, compared with more than five months today. It also had much heavier short-term external debts. Nonetheless, the situation is now in the hands of global forces beyond India's control.

The weak coalition government has been unable to muster a coherent response. Some tentative steps, such as recent openings to FDI, make sense but will affect the national accounts only after the crisis is decided by larger forces, such as the extent to which the Fed cuts back on quantitative easing.

The irony is profound. Indian leaders were quick to credit the boom to the country's natural strengths, rather than the incoming tide of easy money. But now they are quick to blame their troubles on the receding global tide. Voters are wondering aloud how their "breakout nation" became a "breakdown nation", seemingly overnight.

This crisis, too, shall pass, but a meaningful turnaround is not likely until the next election. The good news is that a new generation of leaders is on the horizon, many serving as chief ministers in states posting strong growth with low deficits. It will be difficult to push tough reform in coming months, ahead of the election but the new generation could play a strong national role following the election.

That would be none too soon. India has always wanted to be the 'next China' in economic terms. But beating China to the next crisis is not what Indians had in mind.

The writer is head of emerging markets and global macro at Morgan Stanley Investment Management.
 
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“Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked.”
Warren Buffett

This is the outcome of poor governance.. India is in this state solely for this reasons.. What is good for the country is not good for election and what is good for election is not good for the country.. example the food security bill... It will deteriorate the market more... Sadly for the Congress election is more important and not the country... Modi is the only way.. or else we are back to the 90s....
 
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“Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked.”
Warren Buffett

This is the outcome of poor governance.. India is in this state solely for this reasons.. What is good for the country is not good for election and what is good for election is not good for the country.. example the food security bill... It will deteriorate the market more... Sadly for the Congress election is more important and not the country... Modi is the only way.. or else we are back to the 90s....

Rupee slumps to record low at 69/dollar - Mumbai Mirror

Foreign investors are already fleeing en masse, who will fund the election campaigns?
 
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Rupee slumps to record low at 69/dollar - Mumbai Mirror

Foreign investors are already fleeing en masse, who will fund the election campaigns?

Election will happen.. In the 90s when it was much worst we had our election.. The problem is not that.. It is why no action was taken for the government.. See i have some points here

1. India is coal rich country even then we import coal .. Our CAD is around 6.7%
2. There are too many Red tape. So not investment friendly
3. It takes too long to pass a law,even BJP is responsible for this.. they dont allow the parliament to function properly..
 
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Breakout to breakdown nation - The Times of India

The irony is profound. Indian leaders were quick to credit the boom to the country's natural strengths, rather than the incoming tide of easy money. But now they are quick to blame their troubles on the receding global tide. Voters are wondering aloud how their "breakout nation" became a "breakdown nation", seemingly overnight.

I saw time and again in the news and professional articles claiming that Indian democracy would ensure India develop steadily and healthily, while China would crash inevitably. So many Indians also chimed in celebrating how in a democracy, steady but slow economic growth is dahhhh best. lol Some of you might be able to dig such articles as recent as this year.
 
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I saw time and again in the news and professional articles claiming that Indian democracy would ensure India develop steadily and healthily, while China would crash inevitably. So many Indians also chimed in celebrating how in a democracy, steady but slow economic growth is dahhhh best. lol Some of you might be able to dig such articles as recent as this year.
India will carry on with average growth rate of around 7 percent... investor sentiments are down now... so you will read more article like this.
 
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I saw time and again in the news and professional articles claiming that Indian democracy would ensure India develop steadily and healthily, while China would crash inevitably. So many Indians also chimed in celebrating how in a democracy, steady but slow economic growth is dahhhh best. lol Some of you might be able to dig such articles as recent as this year.

Please don't blame democracy. Democracy has nothing to do here. Even if there had been a dictatorship instead of democracy, India would have still remained India. One primary reason is something I should not tell here for the sake of respecting forum rules.

What I want to say is that you can't blame democracy which is the only option for Indians if they don't want them to be stuck in a situation worse than Syria. You have no idea how a single flame of riot can become a wild fire engulfing everything that you don't expect.
 
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India will carry on with average growth rate of around 7 percent... investor sentiments are down now... so you will read more article like this.

You know even in Chinese sites, some experts were saying that if India's service industry led economy succeeds, India would create a new developmental model the world has never seen.

But anyway, for India to sustain 7% growth when there is no easy outside money available, India needs rapid industrialization. Loosen labor law, sacrifice one generation or be permanently dependent on outside money and whims of investors. Can India do it? This made me think that undeveloped country with democracy just wont work since nobody wants to work hard and they will all vote against working hard, or more directly, harsh labor law. Pretty much all major developed countries went through harsh labor conditions, except tiny city states that rely on like tourism, finance!
 
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You know even in Chinese sites, some experts were saying that if India's service industry led economy succeeds, India would create a new developmental model the world has never seen.

But anyway, for India to sustain 7% growth when there is no easy outside money available, India needs rapid industrialization. Loosen labor law, sacrifice one generation or be permanently dependent on outside money and whims of investors. Can India do it? This made me think that undeveloped country with democracy just wont work since nobody wants to work hard and they will all vote against working hard, or more directly, harsh labor law. Pretty much all major developed countries went through harsh labor conditions, except tiny city states that rely on like tourism, finance!
labour laws are important in India, otherwise you will see worst exploitation of human you can imagine.But you are right, there should be some flexibility for industry to hire and fire people.
I think many people can easily get jobs now a days, once you have a growing economy, the balance of power is with labours and employers will try to retain you.
 
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You know even in Chinese sites, some experts were saying that if India's service industry led economy succeeds, India would create a new developmental model the world has never seen.

But anyway, for India to sustain 7% growth when there is no easy outside money available, India needs rapid industrialization. Loosen labor law, sacrifice one generation or be permanently dependent on outside money and whims of investors. Can India do it? This made me think that undeveloped country with democracy just wont work since nobody wants to work hard and they will all vote against working hard, or more directly, harsh labor law. Pretty much all major developed countries went through harsh labor conditions, except tiny city states that rely on like tourism, finance!

The way this government is going now, India will soon need a foreign bail out. I wonder why no one write a book such as "The coming collapse of India". Now I know. There is no need to write one.
 
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I remember some Indian netters are saying china economics is about to collapse soon and were flooding this sub forum with china economic doom news.

But what happen now...
Again, reality wins over delusion :laugh:
Some may claim so, but most of them doesnt think China will collapse. Not in near future. I am optimistic about India. Does not matter which ever government comes there will be growth but slowly. The next generation Indians may bring some changes in politics. Bad politicians at lower level is one of the main reason for our slow growth.
 
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