India believed to be unhappy with share of work in FGFA- report

[longlong]

On the other side of the earth, same thing is happening exactly.

Any joint project means have to eat the unhappness for your parterner always do less and get more....

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

License or joint production is like working as a cook in the kitchen the chef may allow you to chop the vegetables or let you prepare some of the ingredients but he will never pass on to you the secret of the sauce. The only ways to develop a real domestic arms industry is either you do R&D and pour all your resources into that or you have to "steal or copy" the technology from a established source and build and improve on that. By doing all this JV's your only going to spendt huge amounts of money without getting what you really want in the end which is a totally domestic high tech arms production industry.

 

[Speeder 2]

Someone with intelligence should let A K Antony know that painting requires discipline, too, and it is not 15% of the total workload.

 

[armchairPrivate]

This is like having a 50/50 partnership to purchase a flat, and you end up living in the storage closet.

 

[fast]

What? Indians are not happy with the paint job they will be doing?

Seriously Russians are wise to exclude the incompetent Indians from the project. They would have ruined it.

 

[ENRL]

Perhaps India should hack more into US servers like China. That will help them. Also, they could go around picking up bits of destroyed US equipment to learn more. Hey! That's what China does!

These are comments following the article

"stop blaming Russia. If you have the capability, go and make your own plane and technology. China did that. Initially China used to buy from Russia, now they are on thier own and Russia wants to learn from them. From india, rusia only want the funds. Do not blame others for your own incapabilities. You ask Russia, Russia ask who? Why they could do it and Indians could not? Always waiting for something to drop from the sky!"

"indians need to fix their lca project first, its far way behind schedule and crying about 5th gen aircraft, give others the reasons to work equally with u"

FGFA will be as much Indian designed as MKI is Indian designed.

 

[cirr]

Indians need to stand on their own feet。

Sooner rather than later。

 

[IND151]

The detailed design phase of the AC is done and over with for all intents and purposes. The Indian component for the R&D revolves around mission avionics and computers, ancillary avionics, engine sub-systems (NOT the engine design itself), production engineering wrt air frame and optimization of FCR with Indian TRMs.

NO country, except one exception, is going to hand over "ToT", all that is labeled as ToT is in truth M-ToT which enables in-house MRO. It is not India which is unhappy but the IAF, they had hoped that certain third party systems that they were able to bring over to the UPG could be license built and qualified for the FGFA- something which very much would require certifications and basic integration research- which is contrary to what the Russians want.

Right.

Mission computer is an area where our software knowhow will be useful

 

[IND151]

License or joint production is like working as a cook in the kitchen the chef may allow you to chop the vegetables or let you prepare some of the ingredients but he will never pass on to you the secret of the sauce. The only ways to develop a real domestic arms industry is either you do R&D and pour all your resources into that or you have to "steal or copy" the technology from a established source and build and improve on that. By doing all this JV's your only going to spend huge amounts of money without getting what you really want in the end which is a totally domestic high tech arms production industry.

Why you do think we are pursuing LCA?

The several advantages of LCA include the emergence of supporting infrastructure and severals labs, wind tunnels which will form base for next gen fighters.

Before LCA we didn't have these labs and supporting infrastructure.

you have to "steal or copy" the technology

Think of the Devil

 

[Destro]

Just do your paint job Indian.

That's your only job on any joint-project.

Indians pretending like they have better technical knowledge than Russians.

India can provide only 2 things:
1) money
2) paint job

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

Why you do think we are pursuing LCA?

The several advantages of LCA include the emergence of supporting infrastructure and severals labs, wind tunnels which will form base for next gen fighters.

Before LCA we didn't have these labs and supporting infrastructure.

The LCA isn't in service yet and it also isn't state of the art either, its comparible to the J-10, F-16 or Mirage 2000. Not to mention that both the engine and the radar and other components are foreign made. But its a good starting point for India none the less. But India is taking resources away from programs like the LCA by buying Rafale's and PAK-FA's.

 

[GURU DUTT]

The LCA isn't in service yet and it also isn't state of the art either, its comparible to the J-10, F-16 or Mirage 2000. Not to mention that both the engine and the radar and other components are foreign made. But its a good starting point for India none the less. But India is taking resources away from programs like the LCA by buying Rafale's and PAK-FA's.

well sir LCA is like a school for us to see how things should be and should not be done we have learned quite a few lessons though some might say its too little too late but still its way better option in terms of capability for the platform its destined to replace and we are not as rich as USA, france or China that we can abonden the program mid way

as for rafale its a waste when we have MKI and soon will have super MKI MLU which owt performa Rafale by miles

as for FGFA we need it as China is having a couple of 5th gen programs and soon it will pose a great risk to us so before we find owrselfs in that postition ist better to have a few squads of FGFA and keep on maturing owr industries calliber so they could come up with something similar ....w e are late but still not owt of the race ...thanks

 

[faithfulguy]

Perhaps India should hack more into US servers like China. That will help them. Also, they could go around picking up bits of destroyed US equipment to learn more. Hey! That's what China does!

every country does that. In WWII, US learn from the Mitsubishi zero and made a better plane in F6.

 

[Vinod2070]

So many people from a particular place that is known as a cheap sweatshop.

Any particular reasons why? Did they give an off to all the glass wipers today?

 

[Vinod2070]

Just do your paint job Indian.

That's your only job on any joint-project.

Indians pretending like they have better technical knowledge than Russians.

India can provide only 2 things:
1) money
2) paint job

Got a break from furiously wiping the glasses with n-Hexane little one?

Or still running after the four pests banging your pots and pans?