India-Bangladesh relations.

[Contrarian]

And that is why i was interested in knowing what can be done to normalize the relations between the two countries.

Blitz, the new caretaker govt in Bangladesh is already taking steps towards that.. They are cooperating with India and the relations between the two countries are warming up relatively. Their new govt is far better, and is on the right track. You dont need people like Munshi here to tell you about it.

 

[intruder]

Blitz, the new caretaker govt in Bangladesh is already taking steps towards that.. They are cooperating with India and the relations between the two countries are warming up relatively. Their new govt is far better, and is on the right track. You dont need people like Munshi here to tell you about it.

Malay, I would wait and study the situation before coming to any conclusion ....

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Munshi, there are no extaconstitutional authorities in india 'state within state' unlike our eastern and western counterpart i.e. intelligence agencies, Armed forces... they all work under civilian control and if government of the day feels that some arm twisting is needed then they have tools like RAW and IB to complete that objectives ....

Open you eyes and ears and see the difference these agencies donot function without approval of elected representatives ... did you ever hear that IA or RAW or IB conducting ops without approval from cabinet ... unlike our neighbours ...

remember Op Kargil where PM says he was not consulted or COAS throws out elected govt .. shame .....

Then the government is culpable for RAW activities ... You are in effect contradicting blitz ....

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Munshi, there are no extaconstitutional authorities in india 'state within state' unlike our eastern and western counterpart i.e. intelligence agencies, Armed forces... they all work under civilian control and if government of the day feels that some arm twisting is needed then they have tools like RAW and IB to complete that objectives ....

Open you eyes and ears and see the difference these agencies donot function without approval of elected representatives ... did you ever hear that IA or RAW or IB conducting ops without approval from cabinet ... unlike our neighbours ...

remember Op Kargil where PM says he was not consulted or COAS throws out elected govt .. shame .....

I think you should read this then -

Govt may ban book on RAW

Sudhi Ranjan Sen

Saturday, July 14, 2007 (New Delhi)

The government is considering punishing a former Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) officer not for leaking secrets to another country but for writing a book on RAW.

Sources tell NDTV the government is considering legal options to ban the book and proceed against author Retd Maj Gen V K Singh under the Official Secrets Act.

Sources also say that the author too is considering moving court for anticipatory bail.

India's External Intelligence released recently looks into the functioning of RAW and raises several questions and points to corruption within the agency.

General Singh, a Signals man in the Army was associated with the Technical Intelligence division of the RAW between 2000 and 2004.

The book questions:

Whether Rabinder Singh, the RAW agent who defected to the US was allowed to escape to save some people within RAW.

Why SPG bought sub-standard telecom equipment, compromising the PM security in 2000
It also questions why India released the taped conversation between Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf and General Mohammed Aziz during the Kargil war compromising a Technical Intelligence source for ever.

It also asks why the RAW is not under executive control and does not report to Parliament like other foreign Intelligence agencies like the US's CIA.

It also details how RAW officers travel for personal reasons on government money classifying them as secret and how a certain RAW officer allegedly used RAW funds to pay for his daughter's education abroad.

Though the book may or may not reveal any secrets it does claim to expose how tax-payers money is squandered and how collecting intelligence is rarely a priority for RAW.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070018942

 

[Mohammad Ali Akanda]

Why do you think that India and Bangladesh's relations are so tensed ? What is India doing wrong ?

Farakka issue has been a spike in the Bangladesh-India relations. Yet, I venture to express the opinion that it may be solved to a large degree if more sense prevails. Clearly, it would not do us any good if we, Bangladeshis, express our frustration through rage, hostility and condemnation of India in this and other subcontinent network. We are only tuning off people who could possibly be counted on to pressure their own government, or at best create a more balanced opinion in their country.
Clearly, Bangladesh itself does not have much advantage in influencing the India government policy. However, there is a chance that enough sensible people in India can be made to understand that the immediate economic benefits of diversion of the Ganges water is not worth the long-term effects. From discussions with many of my Indian friends, it appears that an overwhelming majority of them are in the dark about the real issues.
It should be first pointed out that when the upstream flow of the Ganges river is decreased, the tidal salinity front will march upstream and will cause significant impact on soil salinity (through seepage into ground water) in many of the southern districts of Bangladesh, making them unsuitable for crops. This problem is not solved by creating a canal between the Brahmaputra and Ganges, as Indian experts have suggested since building a canal would not increase the total flow of the Padma river. Further, the economic benefits of creating a Brahmaputra-Ganges canal is at best debatable since this would displace a large number of people.
If many Indians agree that Bangladesh has understandable gripes about Farakka, the next issue is how to redress it. Indians might legitimately argue that in this day and age, every nation looks after its own interest; why should India be any different when it comes to the Ganges water. I think there is a good case to be made for long term economic and political benefit for India if it were to share the Ganges water (say leave BD with 40 thousand cusecs (cubic feet per second), agreed between Sheikh Mujib and Indira Gandhi).
It should be pointed out that it is not in the interest of India that Bangladesh farmers are unable to sustain themselves; this might worsen the perceived illegal-immigration problem. Further, most people in Bangladesh feel that India has diverted the Ganges water unilaterally; it makes it politically difficult for any Bangladeshi politician to cut economic deals with India; to give an example, it can be pointed out that even controlled access of Indian goods through Bangladesh (where Bangladesh could collect some taxes) to Assam and Meghalaya will economically benefit both India and Bangladesh. This is just an example; I am sure you can find others.

 

[Mohammad Ali Akanda]

Why do you think that India and Bangladesh's relations are so tensed ? What is India doing wrong ?

There have also been disputes regarding the transfer of Teen Bigha Corridor to Bangladesh. It is an area of Bangladesh in West Bengal which is surrounded by Indian land. After Bangladesh's independence, several enclaves were exchanged between the then government of India and Bangladesh. As Bangladesh's newly received enclaves were inside Indian territory, the agreement included giving Bangladesh a small piece of land, the Teen Bigha Corridor, to connect the mainland with the encalves in exchange of a token of 1 Taka. After the exchange of the enclaves took place, the Teen Bigha Corridor was not handed over to Bangladesh until decades later when it was formally leased to bangladesh on June 26, 1992.

 

[HK-47]

1. Why do you think that India and Bangladesh's relations are so tensed ? What is India doing wrong ?
for many reasons.Like the Farakka River barrage,trade policies(Indians put tax on our products),border incidents when farmers and innocent civilians get killed.Maybe some nationalist hard line Bangladeshis hate India for supporting the insurgency in the CHT(correct me if I am wrong about India supporting the insurgency;when I say support I mainly mean they didn't disapprove of what the CHT insurgents did).Then there is the propaganda against Bangladesh by Indo media.
If there is a bomb blast some BD terrorist org and the BD govt gets blamed for it and in the end accusations turn out to be false.After the recent Hyderabad incident Indian media have become quite a joke in our country .
I believe there has been illegal immigration from BD to India and vice versa.
and I personally hate some Hindus for Muslim bashing(okay maybe it's wrong I know but I can't help hating them ok?).

2. As a Bangladeshi, how would you like India to conduct itself when dealing with your country ?India should be less aggressive,stop further building of any sort of dams/barrages;stop giving us lectures on secularism.They should prevent killing of innocents near the border.
They should not also be restrictive about the Indo-BD trade,like putting taxes,tariffs,etc.

In bold.
There has been some comments made by writers in a newspaper.I will post them later.
oh I forgot to mention the South Talpatti Islands.

 

[Mohammad Ali Akanda]

Why do you think that India and Bangladesh's relations are so tensed ? What is India doing wrong ?

Indo-Bangladesh relations have been strained over the years over issues such as South Talpatti Island, the Tin Bigha corridor and access to Nepal, the Farakka Barrage and water sharing, border conflicts near Tripura and the construction of a fence along most of the border which India explains as security provision against migrants, insurgents and terrorists.

Many Bangladeshis feel India likes to play "big brother" to smaller neighbors, including Bangladesh.

Bilateral relations warmed in 1996, due to a softer Indian foreign policy and the new Awami League Government. The Indian Government tries to softer their foreign policy only with Awami League not with Bangladesh. A 30-year water-sharing agreement for the Ganges River was signed in December 1996, after an earlier bilateral water-sharing agreement for the Ganges River lapsed in 1988. The Bangladesh Government and tribal insurgents signed a peace accord in December 1997, which allowed for the return of tribal refugees who had fled into India, beginning in 1986, to escape violence caused by an insurgency in their homeland in the Chittagong Hill Tracts. The Indian Government gives them Arms and ammunitions to fight against Bangladesh. When their favorite party came to power, they try to softer their policy with Bangladesh.

There are also small pieces of land along the border region that Bangladesh is diplomatically trying to reclaim. Padua, part of Sylhet Division before 1971, has been under Indian control since the war in 1971. This small strip of land was re-occupied by the BDR in 2001, but later given back to India after Bangladesh government decided to solve the problem through diplomatic negotiations. South Talpatty island (called New Moor by India), administered under Satkhira district of Bangladesh, is still under Indian military occupation, though the Bangladesh government sent satellite images to the Indian government proving the island to be within Bangladeshi territory.

Relations between India and Bangladesh have become particularly strained in recent years as India has accused Bangladesh of harboring separatists like ULFA fighting for independence in its north-Eastern region bordering Bangladesh, as well as harboring other religious extremists. The Bangladesh government has consistently denied these accusations.

India whimsically estimates that over 20 million Bangladeshis are living illegally in India. But fact is that there is not a single Bangladeshi illegal migrant in India. India is in the process of constructing an India - Bangladesh Fence, which is illegal, insulting, humiliating and disgraceful for Bangladesh.

 

[Mohammad Ali Akanda]

South Talpatti Island is a small offshore island of Bangladesh which emerged in the Bay of Bengal in 1970 just after the devastating 1970 Bhola cyclone as a result of riverine silt deposition.
The island was incorporated into the Shyamnagar Upazila of Satkhira District.
But India, which noticed and occupied the island first, disputes Bangladesh's claim.
Bangladesh would appear to have the legal upper hand according to the 1947 Radcliffe Award.

 

[Contrarian]

India whimsically estimates that over 20 million Bangladeshis are living illegally in India. But fact is that there is not a single Bangladeshi illegal migrant in India.

You friggin kidding me? Not a single illegal BDeshi in India? There are fcking hordes and hordes of them everywhere in the country. And the worst part is, that their own govt, ie BD refuses to accept them back!

There is a bloody bloody(times infinity) huge immigration problem of immigration from BD.

 

[Adux]

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First of all... whats with the blue... Do you think it makes you special?

Secondly, I was hoping you made sense maybe I will be able to talk to you and find out some mistake's of our's. I am sure we have made some though not in your exggerated scale.
But that statement of yours "NOT SINGLE BANGLADESHI IN INDIA", made me flush you down the toilet along with munshi and the rest of the xenophobic gangs of this forum.

My construction labourers were all bangladeshi's, until i thought i was doing wrong and replaced them with my own countrymen. Bangladesh is in such a sorry state, these people come here for a better life. Unfortuantly we are not in position to extend them that privalege since we ourseleves have quite a lot to do.

 

[con]

South Talpatti Island is a small offshore island of Bangladesh which emerged in the Bay of Bengal in 1970 just after the devastating 1970 Bhola cyclone as a result of riverine silt deposition.
The island was incorporated into the Shyamnagar Upazila of Satkhira District.
But India, which noticed and occupied the island first, disputes Bangladesh's claim.
Bangladesh would appear to have the legal upper hand according to the 1947 Radcliffe Award.

So there was Bangladesh in 1947? Maybe India should have let "East Pakistan" enjoy the fruit of "independence" and brotherly relation under the boots of Pakistani Army.
That would have prevented the border issue even from coming up.

I agree India really makes weird policies.

 

[kidwaibhai]

Wow india is in the habbit of Ocuping territories that do not belong to her. Whats up with that

 

[BanglaBhoot]

It is true India has engaged in a policy of encroachment and sometimes engaged with terrorist groups and insurgents to gain control over land and natural resources. They tried to do it in CHT and I think Pakistan is having the same problem in Baluchistan.

 

[Adux]

Yes,

But lets not see what's India's version of the story.. One prespective and set of facts is more than enough.