India ban on Chinese telecom manufacturers exposed

[prototype]

chinese junk is 100 times better than indians junk

and we r happy with it,its fun here to see u guys nagging and crying just like the the guys of Huawai

I would love to ban something from India but there is nothing worth banning...

Dont worry we will keep our work here,we started with ur cell phones,the n network equipment providers and now a partial ban is slaped on chinese power equipment manufacturer,well tell as more about ur superior quality products and we will contribute here to increase its revenue and ur export

 

[Spring Onion]

Security concerns

In 2005, the possibility of Huawei's bid on British telecommunications company Marconi has triggered a request from Conservative party to UK government to "consider the implications for Britain's defense security".[43]. Marconi was later acquired by Swedish telecommunications giant Ericsson.

In 2008 Military Report to the Congress,[44] Pentagon stated that Huawei "maintains close ties" to Chinese People Liberation Army (PLA). In the same year, the proposed merger of US-based communications company 3COM Corp by Huawei met with US Congress investigation[45] and subsequent determination by Director of National Intelligence that "3Com-Huawei merger would undermine U.S. national security".
In March 2009, Alex Allan, the Chairman of Joint Intelligence Committee, has briefed members of UK government about the "threat", allegedely imposed by Huawei's equipment in British national telecom network BT.[46]

In September 2009, Australian security agency ASIO started investigating the alleged links between local Huawei employees and Chinese military.[47]

In October 2009, Indian Department of Telecommunications reportedly requested national telecom operators to "self-regulate" the use of Chinese-made equipment (including ZTE and Huawei), quoting security concerns.[48] Earlier, in 2005, Huawei was blocked from supplying equipment to India's national network BSNL.[49] In 2010, Indian security intelligence (CBI) insisted on canceling the rest of the Huawei contract with BSNL and pressed charges against several top BSNL officers regarding their "doubtful integrity and dubious links with Chinese firms".[50][51] In April 2010, Sistema Shyam Teleservices Ltd., the Indian unit of Russia's AFK Sistema, didn't get clearance to buy Huawei equipment.[52]


Huawei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

well Chinese Co so obviously they cant be termed not in contact with their country's institutions.

On another note i have quite good knowledge of this company and trust me the people there are quite fair and on top of it they avoid indulging in any offshoot activities falling into category of spying etc

 

[mike05]

Don't make ma laugh Dude! its China or Chinese who suffers badly from superiority complex. a decade of fast growth has gone into their heads and thats the reason why world see them as a threat and working against them.

Right so thats why India has many friends around her? Like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan. How about Nepal who's side is she on?

Before advising anybody else on manners go through the forum and see how ur countrymen rants about each and everything from China as if they can take the world hands down.

I'm from Singapore you cretin, of course its makes no difference to you as I am Chinese.

All this superiority complex when u r just a factory base for West. Just wonder what could have been the scenario had west not invested monetarily and technologically in ur factories in mainland China.

Duhh, like India is a call center for the West too. Unfortunately when a country has sanctions on it it has to develop the technology by hook or crook. Why reinvent the wheel? It China can get the technology and push the price down so be it. Now at least the high speed trains might be of benefit to the whole of Asia. Unfortunately not all countries are rich enough to pay the prices of the Western countries.

Tell me one product that is designed and developed by China even after progressing so much. All you produce is reverse engineered stuff or a cheap replica of all the products designed and developed by West.

All major OEM phones used by big companies are designed by HTC, the new mobile internet devices are designed/developed by Huawei distributed in the UK under vodaphone Pay as you go internet just to cite some examples. Go to UK and you will see

Due to cheap prices alone Indian companies were buying the stuff from Chinese Telecom firms but it can not be done anymore after it was noticed that the network equipments were unethically bugged to let Hackers access to Indian network.

You got a link to support the above? I've never come across one and if its true I would like to take a read too

 

[mike05]

Well your countrymen, out of superiority complex, was not aware of the same and wanted to know something he can ban. So go and teach him about the same.

And about the pay, please throw up some numbers so that we can compare how you were paying more than Indian side?

Thats the beef you have with him, take it up with him. Not me or a country of people.

Sorry I will not divulge work related data on the internet to some unknown person (who in a professional line would do that?? OMG). Should I also mail you this months debits and credits for my firms account.

 

[gubbi]

The Western countries use to act the very same way with Japan when they started making cameras and TVs. and look where they ended up on the Tech Map... So stop being so naive and remember "Google is your friend".

This is the second time that you have quoted the example of Japanese industry. But don't you forget one very important factor here? That factor being innovation!

There is no doubt that China is a manufacturing giant. However, almost all the technologies that China manufactures are not its own. OEM manufacturers in China get their orders and technical knowhow from the original companies - mostly western. Whatever 'original' chinese manufacturers are doing is mostly IPR violations. They have a scant regard for IPR.

In the field of innovation, China does NOT have a strong base and neither will it have one for a long time to come - based on current Chinese manufacturing trends.

Japan on the other hand, was and is a leader in innovation and created products which were highly original, innovative, creative and above all cheaper than their western counterparts.

In short Quality over Quantity. One simply cannot compare the Japanese innovations with Chinese bulk manufacturing.

 

[Spring Onion]

Jana Sister... They have "Security Concerns"... Know what i mean... "Insecurity"

))))))))) i know i know. But the last time i checked it was insecurity in terms of market capture which the low cost Chinese mobile sets were capturing hence Indian govt started crackdown on such sets' sale.

As far as Huawei is concerned well ) India should have been insecure only if the company was providing communication system to Indian security forces or Intelligence agencies which is BTW not the case

 

[prototype]

))))))))) i know i know. But the last time i checked it was insecurity in terms of market capture which the low cost Chinese mobile sets were capturing hence Indian govt started crackdown on such sets' sale.

As far as Huawei is concerned well ) India should have been insecure only if the company was providing communication system to Indian security forces or Intelligence agencies which is BTW not the case

from the first post,it also an israeli(a well known indian ally) company was also banned,but nobody is making much noise about that,everyone just crying and nagging about Chinese industries

 

[vikrams]

well Chinese Co so obviously they cant be termed not in contact with their country's institutions.

indian oil co answers indian government coz its owned by indian government.

while indian infosys -Privately-held company has nothing to do with indian government.

huawei -Privately-held company should have nothing to do with china government other than customer -supplier relation,but has alleged links with the Chinese military and intelligence apparatus.


Huawei in ASIO's net | The Australian

 

[mike05]

))))))))) i know i know. But the last time i checked it was insecurity in terms of market capture which the low cost Chinese mobile sets were capturing hence Indian govt started crackdown on such sets' sale.

As far as Huawei is concerned well ) India should have been insecure only if the company was providing communication system to Indian security forces or Intelligence agencies which is BTW not the case

Thats a good point.

Rather then banning it would;t it make more sense for the India govt to impose a collaboration and technology transfer? This way both sides benefit?

 

[SpArK]

Thats a good point.

Rather then banning it would;t it make more sense for the India govt to impose a collaboration and technology transfer? This way both sides benefit?

There aint much technology there to transfer. If needed ask the japs or the koreans, they make world class products and has reputation world wide.

We are flooded with consumer electronics products from these countries and they have manufacturing plants here in India. So the customer is still the king here and life will go on without Huawaie or hawai or whatever.

 

[RescueRanger]

This is the second time that you have quoted the example of Japanese industry. But don't you forget one very important factor here? That factor being innovation!

There is no doubt that China is a manufacturing giant. However, almost all the technologies that China manufactures are not its own. OEM manufacturers in China get their orders and technical knowhow from the original companies - mostly western. Whatever 'original' chinese manufacturers are doing is mostly IPR violations. They have a scant regard for IPR.

In the field of innovation, China does NOT have a strong base and neither will it have one for a long time to come - based on current Chinese manufacturing trends.

Japan on the other hand, was and is a leader in innovation and created products which were highly original, innovative, creative and above all cheaper than their western counterparts.

In short Quality over Quantity. One simply cannot compare the Japanese innovations with Chinese bulk manufacturing.

Gubbi, i enjoy debating with you. But lets be honest, that is exactly what "Grunding" use to say about National & Nikon. That the Japanese do not have and i quote "Japan is lightyears behind our technical know how and experience".

From tiny acorns do might oaks grow.


As for IPR (in today's world of corporate espionage) and to quote the IPR Help desk

And if intellectual property rights cannot be enforced, they are worthless.

http://www.ipr-helpdesk.org/documents/Brochure Ambiente_en.pdf

I respect both India and China for their fast paced development, it is sad to see Indians mock the Chinese. Come on people at least respect the fact that the country has made strides in manufacturing electronic and high -tech goods.

One only has to take a trip to Shenzhen to see at scale at which China is working, and guess where those advanced Sony Autofocus lenses are being made?

As for one member claiming china is a assembly plant, my friend i just bought a Sony Console for my nephew and it clearly says "Made in China", whilst my mobile phone says "Assembled in China"...

There is a big difference in made and assembled.

 

[ChinaChina]

This is the second time that you have quoted the example of Japanese industry. But don't you forget one very important factor here? That factor being innovation!

There is no doubt that China is a manufacturing giant. However, almost all the technologies that China manufactures are not its own. OEM manufacturers in China get their orders and technical knowhow from the original companies - mostly western. Whatever 'original' chinese manufacturers are doing is mostly IPR violations. They have a scant regard for IPR.

In the field of innovation, China does NOT have a strong base and neither will it have one for a long time to come - based on current Chinese manufacturing trends.

Japan on the other hand, was and is a leader in innovation and created products which were highly original, innovative, creative and above all cheaper than their western counterparts.

In short Quality over Quantity. One simply cannot compare the Japanese innovations with Chinese bulk manufacturing.

innovation come with a cost since when did u hear japan started off with innovation products?
you indians just try anything to win a silly argument

 

[SpArK]

innovation come with a cost since when did u hear japan started off with innovation products?
you indians just try anything to win a silly argument

Just check the innovations of 1 company-Sony.

 

[vikrams]

innovation come with a cost since when did u hear japan started off with innovation products?
you indians just try anything to win a silly argument

Walkman


List of Japanese inventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world's first microprocessor, the Intel 4004, was designed by Masatoshi Shima of Busicom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busicom

 

[Spring Onion]

indian oil co answers indian government coz its owned by indian government.

while indian infosys -Privately-held company has nothing to do with indian government.

huawei -Privately-held company should have nothing to do with china government other than customer -supplier relation,but has alleged links with the Chinese military and intelligence apparatus.


Huawei in ASIO's net | The Australian

Thats what Indians claimed. But irrespective of if its Chinese co or anyone's else. I know personally that they have no link with PLA or intelligence.