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India as 'cricket and curries'? That won't help win a fighter jet bid

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"What on earth do they know about cricket and curries," was the acerbic response of Tory MP Peter Bone to the news that the French firm Dassault has emerged as the lowest bidder for a $10bn (£6.3bn) contract to supply India jet fighters. And, in one crisp sentence, Bone encapsulated the problem: a lingering British attitude towards India enveloped in the language of colonialism and entitlement, which is buckling any attempt at a modern, co-operative relationship.

Of course, Bone is not the only one. This week the Sun newspaper has been running a campaign demanding Britain ends its aid programme. "Britain can no longer justify sending aid to India," it announced, since "this superpower in the making is treating us like mugs."

All of which led the BBC's Andrew Neil to ask why, if the French had no aid budget for India, it could be in pole position to supply India's air force, while the British Eurofighter bid had been left stranded despite us bunging billions towards New Delhi. Immediately, we were back to the 1980s: "aid for trade", Pergau Dam and Alan Clark signing it all off. Of course, there are all sorts of solid arguments for ending our aid to India, but failing to secure arms deals is not one of them.

Nevertheless, preferred bidder status for Dassault Aviation is a wretched blow for the British defence industry. It is also a humiliating rebuff to David Cameron's ambitions for "an enhanced strategic partnership" with India. Having condemned the previous Labour government for ignoring our relations with New Delhi, shortly after his election the prime minister packed an aeroplane with high-profile businessmen to secure new contracts from the rising Bric power.

There was even talk of having the ex-head of the Confederation of British Industry, Richard Lambert, take the British high commission job. This mercantilist Anglo-Indian strategy all formed part of the government's grander ambition to turn the Foreign and Commonwealth Office into a high-end sales outfit, with ambassadors acting out the role of regional reps.

But this week it came to naught.

Perhaps this is due to a new generation of politicians, policy-makers and businesspeople in Mumbai, Chennai, and Bangalore who can sense a British political class still stuck in the past. In London, there remains a world view that somehow Britain – because of a connection with India stretching back to the Fort St George in 1640s Madras or Job Charnock in 1690s Lal Dighi (soon to become Calcutta) – has an automatic right of access. The fact we laid the railways, nurtured the bureaucracy, even designed the parliament should put us at the front of the queue. Within the Tory party and its press, it is naturally taken that these historic ties of language, culture, and kin give us an "in" above and beyond other middle-rank powers.

But any encounter with modern India instantly dispels such arrogance. Of course, London is nice to visit and an MA from Oxford is a decent degree (after Harvard, Yale, and Columbia), but the terms of trade have changed. First of all, it is Britain that is now in need of Indian investment – as Tata Motors' purchase of Jaguar Land Rover and Tata Steel's takeover of Corus proves most obviously. And, second, today's Indian elite is focused on America; they are vying with China; they are concerned about Afghanistan. What we think, how we act, who we value: these are all third-order questions.

Where India is interested in Britain is as a business partner – but, crucially, as part of a broader European Union trading bloc. Yet here the colonial mindset of the Conservative party continues. With great gusto and a lot of air miles, our Eurosceptic foreign secretary has left the tarmac to "rebuild" bilateral relations across the world. He has put in sterling work, but the truth is the UK matters much more as part of a European commercial entity rather than on its own. It is through supranational bodies, not from the Foreign Office Locarno room, that our voice is heard.

What is more, the government has so often bungled the soft-power fundamentals in India. First they tried to end the BBC's Hindi programming on the World Service and then they wildly trumpeted our new "closed-door" education policy. Even if the coalition's immigration strategy is the right one, the tone and manner in which it has been advanced has told Indian students they are not welcome in the UK. One of the greatest motors for Anglo-Indian collaboration has been needlessly undermined by a headline-chasing Home Office. In a globalised media world, domestic policy is consumed very differently abroad.

However, we should not get ahead of ourselves. The jets deal with India is not yet dead. The low bid by the French could all be election-year posturing by President Nicolas Sarkozy. But a mature reaction to the negotiation process is paramount. Any more talk of curries and cricket, Rudyard and the Raj, and we can wave goodbye to those valuable BAE jobs.
 
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At last some sensible talk - Of course the british were not gonna go down without a fight but their attitude has been extremely arrogant they've perfectly described the phrase 'sore losers'. But then again with thousands of jobs on the line I guess they have a right to question the Indian decision
 
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I don't understand the reason behind British whining..is it that IAF rejected EFT or India rejected a British aircraft.
 
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Starting from the splendid house of Mukesh Ambani to slums, from the no.of millionaires to the no. of poor, economic growth rate vs aid, left of the UK vs right - everything seems to have been analysed with the outcome of this one deal. I used to think Britain has a mature polity and media but its acting very bizarrely.

I'll still keep quite just like our MoD. :)
 
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Even though EADS owns 46 % of Dassault .


And their order books for EFT is full. Its just that British assumed that bcs of their past association with India, India will select EFT over Rafael.
 
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I don't understand the reason behind British whining..is it that IAF rejected EFT or India rejected a British aircraft.

Its the pain of losing to the french, which is hurting them bad, Internets rife with british and french defense fanboys trying to put down each others planes. This contract was a major prestige thingee for all the participating countries. Remember how the respective heads of each country tried coxing India to select their plane. :lol:
 
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I don't get it, are they giving us planes or an indian restaurant? :lol: wow, no wonder brits are dumb
 
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Among all these hue and cry raised by british public, we shouldn't miss the important thing. Britishers have squarely blamed the germans for the debacle. ( failing to put up competitive prices ). They think EADS with a BAE faces would have had a better luck.

What is appalling to see that EADS member countries have so less synergy between them that they could not even come out with a competitive price for a fighter which has its current production lines already full for a couple of years. Logically, their fighter should cost less ( produced en'masse ) than rafale whose production lines would have closed if MMRCA contract had gone any other way.

If they can squabble so much over price, how could we have ensured they would not have a squabble over financing the future developments of AESA radars and other developments etc ? Already the member countries are fleeing to F35 which also goes on to show the confidence they themselves have on EFT as a platform.

We are not british stooges no more.

To all britishers : shove the above fact up your a S s. !!
 
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Bl[i]tZ;2558760 said:
Starting from the splendid house of Mukesh Ambani to slums, from the no.of millionaires to the no. of poor, economic growth rate vs aid, left of the UK vs right - everything seems to have been analysed with the outcome of this one deal. I used to think Britain has a mature polity and media but its acting very bizarrely.

I'll still keep quite just like our MoD. :)

You would not have been shocked if you read BBC
 
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