India and USA troops withdrawal.

[wind]

Indulging in day to day ops is not feasible for Indian army. How about IAF having an Air base in Afgan lands

 

[Omar1984]

Afghans are great warriors...we are just training them..they will take care of their interest, decide their destiny....

You are training the wrong people. ANA is majority Tajik and are not ethnic Afghans.

The great warriors are Pashtuns. The Taliban are mostly Pashtuns thats why they defeated the global superpower again.

 

[Omar1984]

[/COLOR]We will not let Afghanistan go back under Taliban . RAW is WAR .

Even U.S. is trying to negotiate with the Afghan Taliban now. The Afghan Taliban have won. What will you do, send your army to Afghanistan? You are not a superpower. If superpowers like the Soviet Union and the United States can not defeat Afghan Taliban, then you can just imagine what will become of your indian soldiers

 

[Major Ram]

So some people think that running away from the battle field and hiding in mountains is like winning war and defeating the superpower!!!

these guys are amazing

 

[jha]

ANA is majority Tajik and are not ethnic Afghans.

The great warriors are Pashtuns.

Here comes another Martial race theory...

OT, People here are assuming that US will withdraw its whole troop from Afghanistan..They will be there in sizable Numbers for quite some time..
Mineral wealth of Afghanistan is the cause of great game being played.. Several Indian-Chinese-American-European companies are contesting for them.. When such huge money is involved- the companies might have their own security forces in addition to Afghan forces.. Afghanistan will get all the money to develop itself and the tribal people will get employment ..

And USA leaving Afghanistan is not a very good news for Pakistan itself.. We all know what happened in Pakistan when Soviets left or, to Cambodia when US left Vietnam.. Unless the Durand line is sealed off , I can see Taliban fighting with PA for quite some time..

 

[jha]

So some people think that running away from the battle field and hiding in mountains is like winning war and defeating the superpower!!!

these guys are amazing

No, Thats not winning but this Guerrilla warfare does make cost of living for foreign forces very expensive. Which almost negates the advantage of winning..Its all about economics now a days..
And Afghans are damn good Guerrilla fighters..

 

[INDIAN SOLDIER]

lol hahaha joke of the century.USA cant fight and running out with 150000 troops and look at the cat copying a ceetah trying to kill a bull.you are more then welcome to come to afghanistan so taliban can crush you like insects like they are doing to nato

Taliban is now playing in someone other's hand mate. Aren't you feeling the heat in Pakistan?
If no, then surprised, your top brass is sweating through the end. Here is an hint in the below link:

Official circles persistently protecting RAW agents by blaming Taliban | Pakistan News | Onepakistan.com

US will get all the troops by 2015, Till then a lot of plans will be in execution by!

 

[INDIAN SOLDIER]

Even U.S. is trying to negotiate with the Afghan Taliban now. The Afghan Taliban have won. What will you do, send your army to Afghanistan? You are not a superpower. If superpowers like the Soviet Union and the United States can not defeat Afghan Taliban, then you can just imagine what will become of your indian soldiers

If they are so powerful, you must be delighted to have a strong leadership and task force

BTW US has destroyed allmost N/W of al-qaeda.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

and where does that play into discussion of 2001 invasion

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Just showing the sequence of events --leading up to present day affairs.

source(s) please

Here are a few sources -- of the interim period as Afghanistan existed before 2001 invasion and after Soviet withdrawal
The relevant portions are within.

Stinger missiles for sale in Afghanistan | BreakingNews.ie

A short history of the US involvement in Afghanistan | The International Affairs Association

Middle East Policy Council | Lessons of the Soviet Withdrawal from Afghanistan

Afghanistan and the Soviet Withdrawal 1989 – 20 Years Later

the bad management (or lack thereof) of the ground situation started when the soviets withdrew

Due to a combination of circumstances , American negligence after dwindling interest in the region, Pakistan trying to safeguard itself , etc

though i disagree, we will have to wait it out and see what happens...HeI and talebs are not friendly to NATO forces as long as they are in Afghanistan. Once they withdrew and through back-channel talks (which have been ongoing for some time now, no new phenonenon) then that is when we will have to see how they handle the relations

They are not , and they are not expected to be . However once the forces leave , they will lapse into their warring states with each other , which will probably be taken advantage of by different external forces.

of it wont be a complete ''withdrawal'' so to speak. I think they do seek some kind of a 'permanent' presence but the extent is what is debatable.

perhaps ...

precisely...given the strategic value of Afghanistan.

true

nobody denying that. Not to be overly provacative here, but i'll state the obvious:

Their movements are most likely being watched rather closely.

As expected

a rule of thumb:


look before you leap...especially when you're in the deep-end

Of course we do , especially when there has already been an incident when a plane was hijacked , and taken to Kabul , the airfield was surrounded by Taleban fighters to prevent Indian special forces from storming the aircraft , several dreaded terrorists were released , one of whom was a mastermind who was later shot dead trying to orchestrate an attack on the Indian parliament. This is for future prevention and considering the gravity of the situation , there isn't a choice.

precisely....which is why the Hazara community as well as the Qizilbashis in Pakistan can play an ''instrumental'' role here as well. In fact, we should use them as a bridge to reaching out towards the non-Pakhtun groups. We seek communal harmony and stability in Afghanistan, not ethnic warfare. Luckily given our proximity, it would be a RELATIVELY easy task --though of course there are old grudges and some bad blood which would have to be dealt with on need-basis.

This is what all should want , however stability cannot mean favorable to only Pakistan , it should be favorable to all parties concerned. And about the "relatively easy" part bit , I am doubtful -- May not be Relatively easy under some circumstances.

as you already know (i neednt remind you) -- any damage or moves against Pakistani interests would have consequences

It is not our deliberate intention to move against Pakistani interests , however geo-politics is rarely a zero-sum game . As you know there are conflicts of interests , overlapping areas of differences etc . So it is very possible the India would have to engage in stuff which may directly or indirectly harm other interests , since India's own strategic and security related issues would be of paramount interest rather than the sensitivities of others .

Its the same for Pakistan as well , if tomorrow the U.S "completely" leaves and Pakistani Institutions get an opportunity to divert the guerillas from the battle-zone and enter the Kashmir zone , they wouldn't hesitate . Hence its only fair for Indian Agencies RAW , Mil intelligence to do their bit in the form of developing contacts , attempting to influence militias etc ...and in the process its interests may clash with the ISI , Pak Army ... that is unavoidable at times . and no one is going to loose sleep over it . After-all national interests are first priority.

the lesser emotion you show and the more objective you are, the easier it is.....

that applies to a lot of things in life --whether in war or peace-time

Agree , working on emotion never leads to foresightfull decisions . As I ve noticed .....

 

[Spring Onion]

she's been dispatched there on the past......Jana has 43 different passports to choose from