India And Pakistan In A Tug-Of-War Over Stealth Fighters

[ito]

I have never seen a baseless threat or article in my life
more baseless then this

What is so 'baseless' about the article? He has written based on what India and Pakistan are doing to get 5th gen fighters. Is it not true that Pakistan has interest in Chinese J31? Is it not true that India has invested billion of dollars in PAK-FA. He has good reasons to think that there is a race going between India and Pakistan for 5th gen fighters.

 

[uzbi aka viper]

What is so 'baseless' about the article? He has written based on what India and Pakistan are doing to get 5th gen fighters. Is it not true that Pakistan has interest in Chinese J31? Is it not true that India has invested billion of dollars in PAK-FA. He has good reasons to think that there is a race going between India and Pakistan for 5th gen fighters.

he mentioned pakistan financial constraints and gave wavier to indian poverty

 

[GiG]

IAF has some of the most advanced EW, ECCM and AWEACS platforms in the world and they have US & Israeli support along with it. Not just that, IAF also has extremely skilled AF pilots which is acknowledged world wide.

PAF v/s IAF cannot be equated to Israel v/s Arabs. In a war today, the IAF MKIs alone would be able to dominate the air over Pakistan. A handful of F-16's would be no match for the overwhelming numerical superiority of the comparable MKIs.

you should know that SU 30 MKI operational reediness is less the equal to 40% while JF 17 and F 16 operational rediness is 70-80% in term of PHALCO technological superiority myth the awacs missed multiple times to detect hezbillah drone what you have to say about that

 

[danger007]

1)Ra'ad is designed to attack fixed enemy installations (such as radar posts, command nodes and stationary (surface to air launchers) at stand-off range, keeping the launching aircraft away from enemy air defence systems.
i want to tell that Ra'ad is operational in PAF while Brahmoos is not operational in IAF

2)3 Phalco AWACS of india VS 7 3 saab +4 ZDK-3 AWACS of Pakistan clearly the tide is in Pakistan favor

3)Superior electronic warfare capabilities of F-15 Block 52+ was the reason why India selected rafael


4)No technological equivalent of Link 16 and Link 17 is present in IAF that what i mean about network centric warfare

5)Zero Experience of IAF with precision ammunition in operational fields and lack of state od the art ISR capability is what i mean in limited no COIN capability as compare to PAF which are now experts in this field and have state of the art gear

1. Brahmos is tested recently with Su 30mki ..

2. MKI can function as mini awacs..

3. F 15 or F 16... superior my ... Rafael selected for multi role capabilities... Rafael not selected for pakistan ... you have gotten used F 16...

4. IAF combat platforms are ful horizontally networked, SU 30MKI, Jaguars, Mig21's, Mig 27, M2k, Mig29M/UPG/K/KUB, and AJT, all can share target data with Phalcon, Su30MKI and other platforms in India.-- AFNET...


5. Define your state of art


@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy

 

[ito]

he mentioned pakistan financial constraints and gave wavier to indian poverty

He said that India has 8 times larger economy, so it is natural that you have more money to spend on defence. So for Pakistan to catch up it has to go out of its means to match India's spending. He also said that India should use its size advantage to put pressure on Pakistan's defence spending thereby staining its economy, but never did he gave any waiver to Indian poverty.

 

[Tripoli]

He said that India has 8 times larger economy, so it is natural that you have more money to spend on defence. So for Pakistan to catch up it has to go out of its means to match India's spending. He also said that India should use its size advantage to put pressure on Pakistan's defence spending thereby staining its economy, but never did he gave any waiver to Indian poverty.

He also forgot to mention that India' population is also 6 times that of Pakistan. So the gdp(nominal) will also be much higher. But the gdp per capitia is very close to that of Pakistan.

It is like saying I have 10 cakes for ten people while the 'poorer' guy has only 2 cakes for two people.

 

[GiG]

1. Brahmos is tested recently with Su 30mki ..

2. MKI can function as mini awacs..

3. F 15 or F 16... superior my ... Rafael selected for multi role capabilities... Rafael not selected for pakistan ... you have gotten used F 16...

4. IAF combat platforms are ful horizontally networked, SU 30MKI, Jaguars, Mig21's, Mig 27, M2k, Mig29M/UPG/K/KUB, and AJT, all can share target data with Phalcon, Su30MKI and other platforms in India.-- AFNET...


5. Define your state of art


@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy

1)Only 1 Su 30 MKI is modified to fire Brahmoons while 40 expected to be modified on the other hand all Mirages and JF 17 can fire Ra'ad with out any modification
2)A Mini AWACS with Big RCS is an easy target for AIM 120

3)Nearly all Paf 16 are upgraded to block 52 standards
"Pakistan's latest fleet of F-16 Block 52 variants can beat India's front line Sukhoi Su-30MKIs in a one-on-one dogfight, a top Indian government official told Arming India, in an admission that the Indian Air Force (IAF) lacks a counter to its enemy number one's air combat platform.

That's precisely why India had chosen French Rafales as its Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) that can counter the F-16's capabilities. India's Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar had told Parliament last week that the government had earlier this year withdrawn a 2007 tender for 126 MMRCA, a contest in which Rafale was chosen by India.

The two squadrons of F-16C/D variants of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) have superior electronic warfare capabilities and that's what is worrying the IAF commanders, the highly-placed government official, who did not wish to be identified, citing service rules, said in a tête-à-tête with Arming India on July 30, 2015.

"It is not the BVR (Beyond Visual Range) air battles, but the close air battles that the Su-30s can't match up with the F-16C/D variants. The PAF planes have superior electronic warfare capabilities and the contemporary air battles rely more on EW capabilities to beat an enemy combat plane in a one-on-one dogfight," the official said."
source asian defence

4)Radio communication is not called full integration data sharing in live environment is called integrated network centric capability kindly name any IAF technology equivalent to link 16

5)State of the art targeting pods and SAR capability

 

[I S I]

This article increased world hunger beyond Earth, expanded Ebola to South Asia, invents new type of tongue cancer & declares India as a suppa power.

 

[The Sandman]

Enough is enough we should not allow these type of 3rd class articles on PDF mods should ban members straight away who post these type of 3rd class articles from 3rd class news sites i request everybody here to report this thread. These types of 3rd class articles are degrading the forum quality.
@waz @Horus @WebMaster

 

[Khan_21]

“Since a full-scale war is not possible between nuclear-armed countries, a massive arms race is one of the ways India can ensure Pakistan’s breakup. It happened to the mighty USSR; it can happen to Pakistan as well.”
it can happen to India as well.
Arms race is a trap.




J-31 2.0

Anything is possible between India and Pakistan. They fought kargil for many months despite being nuclear armed nations.

India tops world hunger list with 194 million people
India is home to the highest number of hungry people in the world, at 194 million, surpassing China, according to United Nations annual hunger report.

At the global level, the corresponding figure dropped to 795 million in 2014-15, from 1 billion in 1990-92, with East Asia led by China accounting for most of the reductions, UN body Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) said in its report titled ‘The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2015.’ India too saw a reduction between 1990 and 2015, it added. In 1990-92, those who were starved of food in India numbered 210.1 million, which came down to 194.6 million in 2014-15.

“India has made great strides in reducing the proportion of food insecure persons in the overall population, but according to FAO, it still has over 194 million hungry persons. India’s numerous social programmes are expected to continue to fight hunger and poverty,” the report stated.

However, China stood out as the reduction in the number of hungry people was much higher than in India, which came down to 133.8 million in 2014-15 from 289 million in 1990-92.

“A majority — 72 out of 129 — of the countries monitored by FAO have achieved the Millennium Development Goal target of halving the prevalence of undernourishment by 2015, with developing regions as a whole missing the target by a small margin,” the report said.

Talking of noticeable progress, the report made a specific mention of Latin America and the Caribbean, southeast and central Asia as well as some parts of Africa. The overall analysis suggested that inclusive economic growth, agricultural investments and social protection, along with political stability, can eradicate hunger, the report added. — PTI

This. Pakistan is less dirty , less polluted , less poorer and a much cleaner version of India. Delhi and mumbai were ranked the dirtiest and most polluted in the world for a reason.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

First of all both sides especially IAF have multiple stand off CMs beyond brahmos.

Secondly MKI availability is not 40%. It has crossed 66% and will reach 70% in another quarter.

Rafale is not for any deficiency of Su30 MKI.

F16 and Su30MKI roles and abilities are different. 200+ flankers with 66% availability still gives 133 + flankers availability versus even with 70% availability at beat 60odd F16 is a herculean task for any AF to defend it's airspace .. and pla don't bring other types of jets bcz then I hav to also add some more numbers in this pointless discussion..

If PAF is superior good, create this paranoia more and use that to hike def budget and fund the acquisitions and funding to R&D.

Lastly this thread is filled with keyboard warriors of both sides chest thumbing way too much.

It's better Indians should leave this thread and move on.. I foresee such troll infested thread to have only lots of bans..

 

[danger007]

i suppose Endia is buying rafaels for this

You will cry if I say something...

First of all both sides especially IAF have multiple stand off CMs beyond brahmos.

Secondly MKI availability is not 40%. It has crossed 66% and will reach 70% in another quarter.

Rafale is not for any deficiency of Su30 MKI.

F16 and Su30MKI roles and abilities are different. 200+ flankers with 66% availability still gives 133 + flankers availability versus even with 70% availability at beat 60odd F16 is a herculean task for any AF to defend it's airspace .. and pla don't bring other types of jets bcz then I hav to also add some more numbers in this pointless discussion..

If PAF is superior good, create this paranoia more and use that to hike def budget and fund the acquisitions and funding to R&D.

Lastly this thread is filled with keyboard warriors of both sides chest thumbing way too much.

It's better Indians should leave this thread and move on.. I foresee such troll infested thread to have only lots of bans..

This fan boy thinks F 16 are superior just because of Ra'ad, India buying Rafale to counter F 16...

 

[PARIKRAMA]

You will cry if I say something...





This fan boy thinks F 16 are superior just because of Ra'ad, India buying Rafale to counter F 16...

You should know better
PAKFA/FGFA is also against F16
F35 if we buy that also against F16
Anything and everything against F16

And here I was of the opinion that successive blocks like Blk3 and beyond will make all posters say only JF17 and forget F16...

Really, most folks have given up and moved ahead particularly seniors .. I don't know why others are still harping just F16s ..

Anyway my friend let it go.. this thread will keep on the rhetoric part

@ito
Sorry bro, but looks like you won't get any fruitful discussion on this. Last few pages have gone tangentially out of the equation for any fruitful discussion unless folks come back and focus on facts only..

 

[GiG]

This fan boy thinks F 16 are superior just because of Ra'ad, India buying Rafale to counter F 16...[/QUOTE]
Indians or Idiots decide for your self

India's Roswell: First images of UFO shot down by air force revealed
THE Indian Air Force has released images of an unidentified flying object (UFO) shot down by a fighter jet.
The balloon-like white object was intercepted by an Su-30 MKI fighter jet after it triggered a radar alert flying over Barmer, Rajistan, near the border with Pakistan, on Tuesday, as reported by Express co uk.

 

[Blue Marlin]

stupid biased article. nothing more to say original poster reported for troll flaming and thread requested to be closed
india will get a 5th gen fighter around 2021 and pakistan not far behind or around that time who knows....maybe sooner knowing the chinese dont like to linger.