India and Pakistan are the most dumbest people in the world

[xyxmt]

You talk about forces withdrawal and only talk about Pakistani forces with drawl, it is a spin by an Indian when you do not even mention 600,000 Indian soldiers in Kashmir. what will happen to those occupying forces. you are so possessed by hatred of Muslims that you fail to tell the whole truth to solve the issue by mutual understanding, but try to put one over Pakistan by half truth

You assume that India will win the war if it breaks out again it is your spin.

and you also talk about nuclear war and assume the other countries will not allow it, again you assume that the nukes of Pakistan are under control of other countries, again you not only talk down to Pakistan but assume about nuke assets of Pakistan,

you also assume that American economy will fail, are you in the right mind, would America allow that to happen,

You dude are a spin master of the millennium.

for over a 1000 years hindus in subcontinent were looked down and India was invaded by every nathu khaira who can arrange a force of 1000. after independence India was looked down again as country that will not get anywhere economically and hence the term hindu rate of return was coined by western economists. They were attacked and humiliated by China and by a much smaller country Pakistan.

But then Economic stagnation hit the Europe and US, and thanks to their population west has started taking interest in developing their middle class as consumer for their products this brought in money from Europeans and Americans so now business is blooming and Indians finally starting to feel the pride that comes with money...watch any thread no matter what the topic is Indian will bring how much money they have now, they can buy this and they can buy that, and they will attack you and him and those. Compare them to Chinese, more money more technology and more power yet you dont see Chinese gloat like Indians.

 

[asq]

Ok dear, kindly do not sound so naive. And btw why you have manipulated my two replies to different people in your reply hence proved you are the greatest spin master. QED.

those two that you talk about are Indians, and i said it before ans say it again, all Indians come on Pakistan def and spin every thing to undermine, talk down and exaggerate things to bully and intimidate, All Indians spin masters have only one agenda, how to do spin it.

You have mixed my two replies to different people(that's intentionally done by the spin master @asq). Have a careful look.

using our sentences, using our forum, using our language as you cannot even pronounce zed but call it jed, you learn from us than use those in a silly way to tell us what we already taught you, so stop using my shtick used for Indians, bring your own, you copy cat Dude.

 

[asq]

Wrong on both counts. The UN Resolutions call for the WITHDRAWAL OF ALL PAKISTANI FORCES AND TRIBALS USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF FIGHTING IN KASHMIR before a plebiscite is held.

Secondly, you guys seem to be off your rockers when you claim that India has 600,000 soldiers in Kashmir. In other words, according to you Pakistanis, India has more than 40-45 mountain and infantry divisions in Kashmir alone!!! That's utter nonsense! A massive spin by the Establishment. And you've swallowed this crap lock stock and barrel without bothering to make use of your brain cells!

Stop blabbering. Have you stopped and checked your hatred for Hindus?

It's not an 'assumption'. It's a fact.

You'll be surprised at the influence the world's big powers have over you. During Kargil when you guys were getting pasted, and thus unshackled your nukes as a last resort, then President Clinton ordered Nawaz to wrap his nukes in cotton-wool and put them back into cold storage or face the wrath of the world especially the U.S.

Nawaz quickly did that before anyone could even say 'Jack'!

So, little kid, a nuke war is easy to talk about. Using these toys in actual all out war is impossible. At best nukes are just a deterrent. No one is going to allow you to use them. Period!

You as an Indian always spin it, Clinton s meting with NS was a failure due to NS not courageous enough to speak the truth about Kashmir being a disputed territory, this is why there is a great movement calling GO NAWAZ GO

Hay Indian you said it it that you have more than, how much more, agsain Indian spin, to hide the numbers, but if counted 40 to 45 mountain division in Kashmir, each division has 15 to 20,000 men multiply these numbers, Dude, now where in Indian has 45 Divisions in a province in Indian accept Kashmir.

stop insulting by saying babbling. Dude,

 

[Arya Desa]

Simple solution: give Kashmir to bangla desh.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Simple solution: give Kashmir to bangla desh.

or maybe just rehabilitate all muslim banglaeshies who paul walted into india in indian kashmir

 

[asq]

simple....they will ask for more!!!! Punjab,Gujarat...why not whole India!!!!

what do you take Pakistanis as, again you are talking down to Pakistanis, and you assume that Pakistan will ask for more, it is dreadful and shameful, in 65 years i have never heard any Pakistani asking for other than plebiscite in Kashmir.

on some occasion their may have been due to passions and irks raised by Indians, Pakistanis may have joked about it, but never ever Pakistanis want any thing that is not right, Kashnir is and was to be handed to Pakistan but by withdrawing its fighting forced from Srinagar to where it is now, Pakistan is waiting for you guys to do your part but you keep making excuses.

You rather keep killing innocents, raping Muslim women, instead of coming true and let the Democracy do its job and let the chips fall where they may.

But your refusal to do this mean that your Democracy is a farce.

 

[RKO]

what do you take Pakistanis as, again you are talking down to Pakistanis, and you assume that Pakistan will ask for more, it is dreadful and shameful, in 65 years i have never heard any Pakistani asking for other than plebiscite in Kashmir.

on some occasion their may have been due to passions and irks raised by Indians, Pakistanis may have joked about it, but never ever Pakistanis want any thing that is not right, Kashnir is and was to be handed to Pakistan but by withdrawing its fighting forced from Srinagar to where it is now, Pakistan is waiting for you guys to do your part but you keep making excuses.

You rather keep killing innocents, raping Muslim women, instead of coming true and let the Democracy do its job and let the chips fall where they may.

But your refusal to do this mean that your Democracy is a farce.

plz go through the thread sir... you guys were asking for indian Punjab. ..even some are asking for up and Bihar!!!

what do you take Pakistanis as, again you are talking down to Pakistanis, and you assume that Pakistan will ask for more, it is dreadful and shameful, in 65 years i have never heard any Pakistani asking for other than plebiscite in Kashmir.

on some occasion their may have been due to passions and irks raised by Indians, Pakistanis may have joked about it, but never ever Pakistanis want any thing that is not right, Kashnir is and was to be handed to Pakistan but by withdrawing its fighting forced from Srinagar to where it is now, Pakistan is waiting for you guys to do your part but you keep making excuses.

You rather keep killing innocents, raping Muslim women, instead of coming true and let the Democracy do its job and let the chips fall where they may.

But your refusal to do this mean that your Democracy is a farce.

plz go through the thread sir... you guys were asking for indian Punjab. ..even some are asking for up and Bihar!!!

 

[JohnyD]

hypothetically speaking
what would happen if India just let's Pakistan have Kashmir?

It will send out a wrong message to groups/countries involved in terrorist activities all over the world that "with sustained terrorist attacks and madness lead to killing of innocent lives, they can force their target to simply give in to their demand"!

 

[asq]

plz go through the thread sir... you guys were asking for indian Punjab. ..even some are asking for up and Bihar!!!


plz go through the thread sir... you guys were asking for indian Punjab. ..even some are asking for up and Bihar!!!

As I said about passions due to Indian talking to confuse the matters, to change the subject, but than in discussion this should not be, only truth, faid play and factual instances, reverse psychology is used to always change the point, if there is to be peace it should be done with the Democratic right of people, specially from and by those who claim to be the biggest Democracy of the world.

 

[asq]

It will send out a wrong message to groups/countries involved in terrorist activities all over the world that "with sustained terrorist attacks and madness lead to killing of innocent lives, they can force their target to simply give in to their demand"!

you are assuming the worst as an Indian against Pakistan but ignoring the facts.

All those groups who have been noted by Pakistan and allowed to be declared terror groups due to Pakistan's diligence and concern about these groups, but remember these were formed by you know who to fight Russians, Pakistan is fighting them at a great loss of life and at the cost of trillion dollars so far, and you guys mention about 10 billion, not a truthful way of discussions on a Pakistani defense board.

Pakistan became host to 6 million refugees for no reason at all. and some of them immigrated to Europe and other countries using Pakistani passports and Pakistani ID cards. and yet they bad mouth Pakistan. they make holes in the bowl they ate from.

About Hafiz Saeed, you Indians keep asking for his arrest but ignore the facts that he was arrested and tried in the courts for all the evidence you gave to Pakistan, and he was not convicted of any crime, Now he is telling India to take him to international courts, and you guys do not do it and keep saying untrue things about Pakistan and Hafiz Saeed, to bring bad name to Pakistan and keep shoving it as if nothing has been done to the one you claim to be master mind of Bombay, why do you not take him to International courts.

I have said it before and will say it again, he has been tried and due to lack of good avoidance he was not convicted, now either take him to international courts or shut up

or maybe just rehabilitate all muslim banglaeshies who paul walted into india in indian kashmir

You interfered in East Pakistan and now you got what you asked for, so deal with it and not cry for your blunders on this Pak def forum, you gloat about how you made POWs and how you won the war, so now you bear the fruits of what you sowed, do not push these creation of yours in any other direction than your own

 

[veerchakra]

If India aquires Pak and their will be no loss to either side,Again we will be one nation "Bharat" just assuming.

 

[RKO]

As I said about passions due to Indian talking to confuse the matters, to change the subject, but than in discussion this should not be, only truth, faid play and factual instances, reverse psychology is used to always change the point, if there is to be peace it should be done with the Democratic right of people, specially from and by those who claim to be the biggest Democracy of the world.

Stop enlightening me... I hate Indian democracy!

If India aquires Pak and their will be no loss to either side,Again we will be one nation "Bharat" just assuming.

that proves..u r a new member!!! Stop making silly comments..
no nody want Pakistan to be part of India!!! u will soon learn!!!

 

[kaku1]

While the world is fighting against poverty, unemployment, ebola, terrorism and economic unstability, both the Asian neighbours India and
Pakistan are fighting over an issue that is highly unlikely to ever get solved. Lets face it, the Kashmir issue can never
get solved with diplomatic solutions. So what can be the solution to this?
1. A 3rd party intervention - U.N
2. A plebecite can be hold in Kashmir much like scotland.
3. Full-Scale War.
A 3rd party intervention is not possible unless both the countries agrees on that, according to the simla agreement, on the other hand a plebecite demand from the Pakistan side is also not possible because then according to the UN, Pakistan has to remove all her soldiers from not only Azad Kashmir but also from Aksai Chin (a territory given to china by Pakistan). So the only closest solution to this is a Full-Scale War. Now a full scale war is bound to go into a Nuclear war which is again other countries will not allow to happen. So, what is going to happen is both the countries will either invest their money in a proxy war or border clashes. Both the countries are bound to invest a huge lumpsum of money on defence which the developed countries know. So, for them both India and Pakistan is more of a gold mine. How often have you seen a developed country involving in border clashes like India or Pakistan or rather like any other developing countries. The Asian countries are full of gas, oil and human resources reserve. Imagine this situation, a gas and oil pipeline, connecting Arab, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, India, China and Russia. A trade line between all the the middle east countries. The dollar is going to fall much like a new born bird. Thats what americans know, because they export things like machinery, oil (from other countries), military equipments and pharmaceuticals which can be done by any of the growing asian countries like china or Russia. Asia has become more like British India, where the British(now America) is playing the divide and conquer rule, to get hold of the reserves. The more quickly both India and Pakistan understand this the better they will be in future or else the future is dark for both the countries.
EDIT :
Since i cant post link as a new member i am attaching the Plebecite resolution which was passed by UN :

Then the biggest dumb is USA, then China.

Why spending a big pie on Defense? why not using this money for welfare of humanity?