India and NSG-News, Updates and Discussions.

[Omega007]

Now Indian putting their words in other's mouth...........

Where??

 

[Devil Soul]

Ahh Love Story of 2016....

 

[illusion8]

China has made all of us a target. My foolish countrymen cannot see it and the Chinese cannot understand it without offence. That is more than a billion people who are running out of resources and space. They need someplace to go where they can continue their strip mining of resources to survive. Guess who is closest to them with abundant natural resources?

Ideally, Pakistan should have aligned with a country with some degree of integrity, in lieu of the US, the Russians would have been a better bet.

 

[SQ8]

Russia"s Siberia and Kazakhstan.

When the day comes, Russian plan to use tactical nukes on Chinese military.



https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09MOSCOW3138_a.html

I did not know that Siberia and Kazakhastan have massive fields where food grows just by throwing it on the ground.

 

[Areesh]

Ya but that's better than blowing up someone right

Or burning someone alive like ehsan jaffery.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

I did not know that Siberia and Kazakhastan have massive fields where food grows just by throwing it on the ground.

They have massive natural resources

 

[RoadRunner401]

What are you trying to say? That they are no takers for US debt? Well, China has been selling billions in US debt to boost its currency and it has no appreciable effect on US. So if China wants to sell its US debt, go right ahead. It will only be shooting itself in the foot.

L O L, I'll take it, you will come up with over a trillion dollars over night to offset the selling by the Chinese, to save the American economy.

 

[noksss]

Or burning someone alive like ehsan jaffery.

Or burning someone alive like Shama

 

[Jlaw]

Costing the independancy is folly we all make. No country is independant in its decisions otherwise it is North Korea and even they are dependant on the Chinese and measure their actions based on the US and SK.
India is not independent either, its decisions are made in lieu of its carefully ingrained and crafted "keep all happy" diplomacy that has in the past led it into compromising on critical issues to various countries. It is also not independent that it is still heavily dependant on imported energy and other critical goods that require it to provide either resources of its own in return or give diplomatic ground.

What we are talking about is total subjugation; which Pakistan may be heading for but that will not be the end of the satisfaction that the Chinese need(they have no such word, again not hating the Chinese but giving the reality of sustaining their population). India's fear of China is based on a wholly underwhelmed and tangential perception of their threat. China is not the threat to you 10 years from now, or 20 years and not in Trade or technology or in the traditional competitive sense; it is a threat when food and water starts going scarce and the Chinese are no longer able to bring in resources from other countries into their own. Then they will expand for space and even basic food..and for that they will really steamroll across India. Be it just from the north, or from both the north and the west.

After all, India would be stupid to think that a hostile Pakistan is more dangerous than a Pakistan which is full of Chinese military and controlled as a vassal state.
As for Kashmir, the issue is NOT.. again NOT the Kashmiris; it is the strategic position and the water resources. The IVT is not enough to allay Pakistani fears and India knows that. Pakistan wants a lot of guarantees that India is unwilling to give even a little; however, unless the two compromise at some point..they will soon find themselves facing a threat they have yet to even fathom.

Again, this does not imply that the Chinese are an enemy now.. or whether they hate us or have bad thoughts about us. They are friends to Pakistan and good trading partners to India; but when resources are scarce.. there are no friends or allies.

Just food and space to expand.

Indian population will overtake China in the next decade or so. India's land mass is one third of China. India's new job creation is not keeping up with their population growth. Population dividend will become population nightmare x4.

It will be India who is a more threat to Pakistan and China as they need to expand for food and more space.

 

[SQ8]

Indian population will overtake China in the next decade or so. India's land mass is one third of China. India's new job creation is not keeping up with their population growth. Population dividend will become population nightmare x4.

It will be India who is a more threat to Pakistan and China as they need to expand for food and more space.

I do not believe so. The India population is still not a match for the Chinese need for consumerism. Moreover, India's consumption levels are still nowhere near that of China's.

They have massive natural resources

Food.

 

[Spring Onion]

Lose what? The 70 billion dollars already invested by US companies in India..or the 100 billion dollars investment that's in the works by US companies?

The state of the art tech, or the proposed 500 billion trade ?

there are many other important things other than money which actually will hit the money at the end of the day./

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Last heard, Chinese are falling head over heels to learn English, maybe we can teach you.

We will get NSG membership by the end of this year only, even if that means we have to arrange for disqualification of China from it because of rules violations in nuclear proliferation.

And North Arunachal Pradesh will earn their freedom from Chinese occupation with the help of their friends and ideological brothers.

Learn English from an Indian? It has driven me nut when your people speak from call center, don't know what they said, I certainly don't want to fck up my brain to learn English from you guys...LMAO

Disqualify China by a country that failed NSG admission...allo wake up

And Sure South Tibet will be free from India if they want to have free water ..you can tell who will have the leverage .

 

[dray]

Learn English from an Indian? It has driven me nut when your people speak from call center, don't know what they said, I certainly don't want to fck up my brain to learn English from you guys...LMAO

Disqualify China by a country that failed NSG admission...allo wake up

And Sure South Tibet will be free from India if they want to have free water ..you can tell who will have the leverage .

As things stand, Beijing's stance flies in the face of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of which it is a signatory. China's big fear now is India could use the same ploy that Beijing used in Seoul at the NSG plenary and back The Hague Court's decision which is likely to go against China.

Highly-placed sources said that the global support for India's position at the NSG could well be leveraged by New Delhi to back the enforcement of 'The Hague Judgment' a scenario which could isolate China and could even trigger its exit from UNCLOS.

Informed sources said the focus now shifts from the NSG to the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague where a judgment is expected, which when enforced, could force China to give up land in favour of the Philippines.

China has launched a worldwide propaganda campaign enlisting academics, legal experts, diplomats and foreign governments stating that such legal proceedings are invalid. But this position of China's is contrary to the rules laid out by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of which China is a signatory. China claims that it has the support of 60 nations who believe that arbitration at The Hague is illegal.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/china-pulls-up-chief-negotiator-wang-qun.437192/page-3#ixzz4D6L4CqnV

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

As things stand, Beijing's stance flies in the face of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of which it is a signatory. China's big fear now is India could use the same ploy that Beijing used in Seoul at the NSG plenary and back The Hague Court's decision which is likely to go against China.

Highly-placed sources said that the global support for India's position at the NSG could well be leveraged by New Delhi to back the enforcement of 'The Hague Judgment' a scenario which could isolate China and could even trigger its exit from UNCLOS.

Informed sources said the focus now shifts from the NSG to the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague where a judgment is expected, which when enforced, could force China to give up land in favour of the Philippines.

China has launched a worldwide propaganda campaign enlisting academics, legal experts, diplomats and foreign governments stating that such legal proceedings are invalid. But this position of China's is contrary to the rules laid out by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of which China is a signatory. China claims that it has the support of 60 nations who believe that arbitration at The Hague is illegal.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/china-pulls-up-chief-negotiator-wang-qun.437192/page-3#ixzz4D6L4CqnV

Believe me India don't have any leverage on China, you can back the Hague court's as much as you like but it will have no impact on China unless you claim that you can reinforce the court's decision in SCS with military we're undeterred. And China has plenty of option if we decide to pi$$ of India if we like.

 

[dray]

Believe me India don't have any leverage on China, you can back the Hague court's as much as you like but it will have no impact on China unless you claim that you can reinforce the court's decision in SCS with military we're undeterred. And China has plenty of option if we decide to pi$$ of India if we like.

You are running out of options with the "Kiss_of_the_Debt"