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[PAK01]

India needs to change our dirty mind.

 

[Dungeness]

Its ironical that you have to mention global influence here

Since its the same global influence that got India 41 nations to support its NSG membership.
And the same global influence that got 2 nations to support Pakistan's NSG membership.

Thats 1:20 ration for Pakistan and India.

Awesome influence Pakistan

US and Israel has a voting record of 2:180. Dose it mean Palestinian has the overwhelming influence than Israel?

 

[SpArK]

India's NSG seat and UNSC seat are still available...

IF they come to the table for an honest negotiation.

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Let's be frank, China and India are NOT friends. We all know this.

Yet whenever India needs something (NSG/UNSC), they suddenly pretend that they are our friends, and ask for "free favours", like in the case of the NSG.

Then at the same time, they went behind China and did their best to try and guilt/isolate China into supporting their NSG bid, by making deals with every other country besides China. Hoping that foreign pressure would force China to succumb. Sorry, that never works. Only one veto is ever needed, that's how veto power works.

But they never did the thing which could actually give them what they want. Which is to come to the negotiating table and offer us something in return.

For example, India agreed to sign the CISMOA/LSA in return for America getting them the NSG seat (which they failed to deliver). India has never fought a war with America... yet they paid SO much for America's support in the NSG (the biggest payment possible). Did India really expect China to offer the same support for free, considering that we are NOT friends?

You want something, you offer something in return. That's how the world works.

Now let India come and negotiate. We are businessmen after all.

Can we offer some laddoos or Jalebis ( Indian sweets) or remixed versions of Honey Singhs new album...
Or shall we send some Jackfruits from kerala????

Tell us what you want... we will send it in the next consignment to China......

Or if you are unwilling to have any material gift we can arrange to honor some of your celebrities with highest honors like Bharat bhushan or somesort....

Or do you like to run BCCI or want a representative in censor board ???

Tell us... so that we know what you want.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

US and Israel has a voting record of 2:180. Dose it mean Palestinian has the overwhelming influence than Israel?

It means Israel is diplomatically a pariah state

Not that this has anything to do with the current NSG support for Pakistan membership being compared to Israel would equate both cases................

 

[weqi]

This is the first Indian defeat after aligned relations with united states .

"Yeh to Shruat hay agay agay dekho hota hay kya"

 

[arbit]

Exactly man..I would prefer to just take a back seat and focus on our economy rather than just going behind US and China for any favor..I openly admit that this is a failure of Modi's diplomacy where they could no predict it in advance.

There were two options.

1. Maintain the status quo and let the fear of being (domestically) seen as failed dictate the foreign policy and national interest. After all doing nothing is the easiest course of action. Fetches no criticism

2. Go all out, shake things up and see who stands where. Either we will get in or we will get an opportunity to fine-tune our diplomatic policy based upon real world support not flowery speeches. In the process the nay sayers will have to expand considerable political capital and the supporters will eventually gather behind us with greater force.

Which option do you support? And what you think has happened?

 

[danger007]

India needs to change our dirty mind.

yes your ..

 

[That Guy]

Senator Markey has been a complete failure.
He opposed the India-US Nucear deal but failed miserably as majority of Congress cleared the deal.

In 2010 he also opposed sale of AH-64E to India and once again he failed as vast majority of Congress refused to back him in blocking the deal.

Then he also wanted US to block sale of certain componets used by India in aircrafts and satellites but DoD paid no attention to his requests.

Money talks, and India has a lot of lobbyists in its pockets.

 

[Dungeness]

Indian members here need to calm down a little. When you guys label your nuclear tipped missiles as "China Killer" or "Beijing Killer", you really shouldn't be surprised what China did. What the hell do you expect China to do? Bending the rule for you so you can easily put your hand on more and cheaper nuclear material, to build more "China Killer"? Besides, China is the one who is sticking to the existing rules for the sake of world order. If China has to act like a bad guy, so be it.

It means Israel is diplomatically a pariah state

Not that this has anything to do with the current NSG support for Pakistan membership being compared to Israel would equate both cases................

I am really impressed that you can find some comfort in otherwise a failure. I should learn this branded optimism from you.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Indian members here need to calm down a little. When you guys label your nuclear tipped missiles as "China Killer" or "Beijing Killer", you really shouldn't be surprised what China did. What the hell do you expect China to do? Bending the rule for you so you can easily put your hand on more and cheaper nuclear material, to build more "China Killer"? Besides, China is the one who is sticking to the existing rules for the sake of world order. If China has to act like a bad guy, so be it.

China already did that by accepting India's NSG waiver.

But since Chinese media did not have a single article covering India's NSG waiver and its threatening consequences to China, in order to paint CCP leadership as immutable omnipotent leadership, which can hardly ever make such a blunder
I guess its not true at all

I am really impressed that you can find some comfort in otherwise a failure. I should learn this branded optimism from you.

I am even more impressed you had the audacity to draw a comparison between Israeli-Palestine HR violation UN votes and Pakistan's NSG membership on a Pak forum, Amazing Chutzpah .

Not surprising since you even went as far as using racial slurs on Pakistanis here.

 

[arbit]

Money talks, and India has a lot of lobbyists in its pockets.

Yes. So ?

 

[Dungeness]

China already did that by accepting India's NSG waiver.

But since Chinese media did not have a single article covering India's NSG waiver and its threatening consequences to China, in order to paint CCP leadership as immutable omnipotent leadership, which can hardly ever make such a blunder
I guess its not true at all

Maybe China was hoping to give India some time to put its act together in 2008? But you guys keep bragging about "China Killer", and finally pissed China leaders off this time around?

 

[danger007]

US Senator praises NSG after India fails to get membership
Last month during a Congressional hearing, Markey had opposed India's NSG membership application.

A US Senator has praised the NSG for deciding against granting India membership of the grouping immediately, hours after the elite group’s plenary meeting ended in Seoul with no decision on India’s membership in face of strong China-led opposition.

“Today, the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) reaffirmed its strong support for the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) by refraining from admitting India,” Junior Democratic Senator from Massachusetts Edward Markey said in a statement.

The NSG was founded in response to India’s 1974 nuclear test and it has worked for decades to prevent the sharing of technology that could contribute to the further spread of nuclear weapons, he said on Friday.

“If India joined the Nuclear Supplier Group, it would be the only participating government in the organisation that was not a party to the NPT, weakening the NSG’s commitment to the treaty. By refraining from admitting India, the NSG strengthened both the treaty and the broader global nonproliferation regime,” Markey, a known India-basher, said.

As a member of the US House of Representative, Markey has unsuccessfully led effort to block passage of civil nuclear deal between India and the US. Last month during a Congressional hearing, Markey had opposed India’s NSG membership application.

The NSG on Friday ended its plenary meeting in Seoul with no decision on India’s membership.

“The NSG plenary in Seoul earlier in the day decided against granting India membership of the grouping immediately and said it will continue to have discussions on participation of countries which have not signed the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty,” External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Vikas Swarup said on Friday.

China, which had made no secret of its opposition, succeeded in scuttling India’s bid despite a significant majority backing the Indian case. Thirty-eight countries supported India, according to Indian officials.

This senator against Indo-Us nuclear deal.. opposing NSG bid from long time... One thing many members unable to understand...India's NSG rejected to admit immediately... but not scrapped fully ... so don't jump too much.. we have time ..

 

[randomradio]

Such open hostility is a first.

First? Nah, we've even fought a war and stuff.

There have been multiple battles since 1962. The last one was in 1987, albeit bloodless.

That must be the most hilarious thing I have heard today. Indians are famous for being anti-China, just look at the international polls, the Indian media or even this forum for half a second.

Are you telling me the Agni 5 was never nicknamed the "China killer"?

The truth is China and India were never friends. Except when India needed something from China (like NSG/UNSC membership), at that point they suddenly pretended to be our friends, but that doesn't pass even a cursory observation.

Before this it was CPEC, then China's support of Pakistan, then "so-called" incursions, then China's alleged support of Pakistan's nuclear program, and so on and so on.

Wrong. India and China are allied when it comes to WTO and Climate.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/xL...a-supports-India-in-solar-dispute-at-WTO.html

 

[AGHORI]

Yoga hi kartey reh gaye yeh becharay.

Yoga karte karte hum MTCR mai pahoch gaye. NSG ka waiver toh pehle hi mila tha. Pakistan toh bas "we have nukes" bolta rehgaya. Na MTCR membership milee na NSG waiver. Atleast India's membership issue was raised at the NSG meet and we had the support of atleast 38 of the 48 countries. Pakistan's application didn't even come for hearing.