India and NSG-News, Updates and Discussions.

[Nilgiri]

Opposing India at every possible platform will only push India further into the American camp. Whether India gets into NSG or not, its a win win situation for America.

Why else do you think US, UK, France, Russia were extremely keen to back India's membership

They all get major brownie points from India now....esp US.

 

[Great Sachin]

Wow...I wonder who is losing here India or China....

Even Pakistan's close friend Turkey is supporting India...

I can say only one thing .....Jai ho

From the diplomacy it looks a very close carrot and stick call for India..

Look what awkward position Pakistan put China into...not a single country backing China

 

[neem456]

If i am right, the NSG meet is over now, and there is no final decision on indias bid.

 

[forcetrip]

I would wait for the official statement Friday because there seem to be conflicting reports as of now.

India’s bid to join NSG hits dead end

ISLAMABAD: The Nuclear Suppliers Group on Thursday failed to reach consensus on India’s membership application after several members of the international nuclear trade cartel insisted on adhering to Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) condition for admission, thus blocking Delhi’s entry for now, a diplomatic source said.
The group decided that it would deal with non-NPT states with an even hand, the source added.
A formal announcement would be made at the conclusion of the NSG’s plenary meeting in Seoul on Friday.
The countries that opposed India’s application included China, Russia, Brazil, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland and Turkey. To India’s shock, some of the countries that had initially pledged support for its candidature did not do so at the meeting.

Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at Carnegie Endowment, tweeted that about a quarter of the 48 member-NSG raised issues about Indian candidature.
The NSG works through consensus and India would not have been able to make it into the club even if a single country had opposed its application.

The criticism of India was not only that it had not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), but also that it had not fulfilled the commitments it made while getting NSG waiver in 2008. It has neither made progress towards CTBT nor has separated its civilian and military nuclear reactors.
India is said to be runnng the largest unsafeguarded nuclear programme with a fissile production capacity 7.7 times greater than that of Pakistan.

China was the main challenger of the Indian bid, which was being backed by a number of Western countries. Beijing was opposed to giving exception to New Delhi and had been demanding deliberations on the accession of non-NPT countries.

Indian hopes about ending Chinese opposition had revolved around a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the SCO summit in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. But the interaction did not achieve that and President Xi, even before meeting Mr Modi, told his Pakistani counterpart Mamnoon Hussain that his government would persist with criteria-based approach for the NSG membership.
India, according to a foreign diplomatic source, was not on the agenda of the plenary meeting, but Japan called for consideration of its application.

Pakistan’s case was, meanwhile, not taken up by the group on Thursday.
Pakistan had intensified lobbying for its candidature after it formally launched its application last month. A delegation led by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry remained in Seoul during the NSG plenary meeting for continuing that effort.
The source said the Pakistani delegation met representatives from 25 countries on the sidelines of the session.
Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria had earlier said that several NSG members “want detailed discussions within NSG to first agree upon criteria for admission of non-NPT countries to the group with a view to preserving the non-proliferation norms”.

Pakistan, Mr Zakaria said, would continue to highlight its strong credentials and pursue NSG membership based on non-discriminatory and objective criteria.

He further said that Pakistani and Indian applications cannot be considered in isolation from the goal of maintaining strategic stability in South Asia.

Zahir Kazmi, an official of the Strategic Plans Division, had a day earlier at a lecture at the Centre for International Strategic Studies (CISS) said Pakistan expected NSG to fairly and simultaneously consider its application along with that of India.

Zamir Akram, Pakistan’s former envoy to the United Nations in Geneva, had at a roundtable at Strategic Vision Institute said Pakistan was opposed to “exclusive membership” for India and supported evolution of criteria that can be applied across the board.

 

[A$HU]

I would wait for the official statement Friday because there seem to be conflicting reports as of now.

India’s bid to join NSG hits dead end

ISLAMABAD: The Nuclear Suppliers Group on Thursday failed to reach consensus on India’s membership application after several members of the international nuclear trade cartel insisted on adhering to Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) condition for admission, thus blocking Delhi’s entry for now, a diplomatic source said.
The group decided that it would deal with non-NPT states with an even hand, the source added.
A formal announcement would be made at the conclusion of the NSG’s plenary meeting in Seoul on Friday.
The countries that opposed India’s application included China, Russia, Brazil, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland and Turkey. To India’s shock, some of the countries that had initially pledged support for its candidature did not do so at the meeting.

Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at Carnegie Endowment, tweeted that about a quarter of the 48 member-NSG raised issues about Indian candidature.
The NSG works through consensus and India would not have been able to make it into the club even if a single country had opposed its application.

The criticism of India was not only that it had not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), but also that it had not fulfilled the commitments it made while getting NSG waiver in 2008. It has neither made progress towards CTBT nor has separated its civilian and military nuclear reactors.
India is said to be runnng the largest unsafeguarded nuclear programme with a fissile production capacity 7.7 times greater than that of Pakistan.

China was the main challenger of the Indian bid, which was being backed by a number of Western countries. Beijing was opposed to giving exception to New Delhi and had been demanding deliberations on the accession of non-NPT countries.

Indian hopes about ending Chinese opposition had revolved around a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the SCO summit in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. But the interaction did not achieve that and President Xi, even before meeting Mr Modi, told his Pakistani counterpart Mamnoon Hussain that his government would persist with criteria-based approach for the NSG membership.
India, according to a foreign diplomatic source, was not on the agenda of the plenary meeting, but Japan called for consideration of its application.

Pakistan’s case was, meanwhile, not taken up by the group on Thursday.
Pakistan had intensified lobbying for its candidature after it formally launched its application last month. A delegation led by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry remained in Seoul during the NSG plenary meeting for continuing that effort.
The source said the Pakistani delegation met representatives from 25 countries on the sidelines of the session.
Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria had earlier said that several NSG members “want detailed discussions within NSG to first agree upon criteria for admission of non-NPT countries to the group with a view to preserving the non-proliferation norms”.

Pakistan, Mr Zakaria said, would continue to highlight its strong credentials and pursue NSG membership based on non-discriminatory and objective criteria.

He further said that Pakistani and Indian applications cannot be considered in isolation from the goal of maintaining strategic stability in South Asia.

Zahir Kazmi, an official of the Strategic Plans Division, had a day earlier at a lecture at the Centre for International Strategic Studies (CISS) said Pakistan expected NSG to fairly and simultaneously consider its application along with that of India.

Zamir Akram, Pakistan’s former envoy to the United Nations in Geneva, had at a roundtable at Strategic Vision Institute said Pakistan was opposed to “exclusive membership” for India and supported evolution of criteria that can be applied across the board.

Lol stopped reading as soon as I saw Russia opposing Indian bid.

 

[datalibdaz]

I would wait for the official statement Friday because there seem to be conflicting reports as of now.

India’s bid to join NSG hits dead end

The countries that opposed India’s application included China, Russia, Brazil, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland and Turkey. To India’s shock, some of the countries that had initially pledged support for its candidature did not do so at the meeting.

What!!!!!!!!Russia voted against India....Oh my....What happened to Indians billions of billion dollars deals ....How could Russia do this......

 

[JohnyD]

India already is a winner! China's diplomacy has failed miserably and have only proven they can't be trusted or act responsibly when 47 out of 48 agrees and only 1 denies to agree with others..this will only change the system of 100% consensus at high tables like NSG and UNSC...OR sack the isolated bad boy from the groups!

 

[neem456]

What!!!!!!!!Russia voted against India....Oh my....What happened to Indians billions of billion dollars deals ....How could Russia do this......

In pakistani media sun can even rise from west.
Anything is possible there.

 

[cerberus]

China isolated itself and played bad diplomacy

Even turkey supported india's bid

 

[CorporateAffairs]

China did not sign the NPT, why they have a membership?

 

[Nilgiri]

China did not sign the NPT, why they have a membership?

They acceeded to NPT in 1992. What accession to a treaty is explained here:

http://ask.un.org/faq/14594

Basically if you are not the original guys of a treaty, you generally dont sign it (original members do that and then ratify it). You just add your name to the list and accede to the conditions.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

What is the the benefit of being in NSG?Can anybody explain?

Being an NSG member allows India to secure its NSG waiver.

If India becomes an NSG member, India can thwart any future attempts by China to reverse the benefits of NSG waiver to India by attempting to update NSG charter.

Although its close to impossible for Chinese to rally support to update the NSG charter to nullify the waiver, given China would require every NSG member's acceptance on this and considering the current situation that 42 of 48 NSG members support our membership.

 

[somebozo]

Wow...I wonder who is losing here India or China....

Even Pakistan's close friend Turkey is supporting India...

I can say only one thing .....Jai ho


Look what awkward position Pakistan put China into...not a single country backing China

Yes..please go enjoy some pie in the face

https://defence.pk/threads/no-decis...remains-adamant-not-just-china-though.436294/

 

[noksss]

Umm... why not?

Unlike you guys, we don't care what foreigners think, it has zero effect on our policies.

You know we fought against the entire United Nations during the Korean War (including the USA + 16 of her allies combined), then we went on to fight against the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split. We were basically fighting against the entire world during the Cold War, now you think we are afraid of using veto power alone?

If it serves our national interests to veto it, we'll do it in the blink of an eye. If India offers enough economic concessions though...

We get it man china is a super duper power who used its mighty muscles to defeat USA + 16 of her allies combined, then we went on to fight against the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split and now its using the same muscle used in the Korean, Cold War to block India's bid in UN against a terrorist ,NSG and lot more . But hey whenever I see you posting this (USA + 16 of her allies combined, then we went on to fight against the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split ) i feel like below

 

[HAIDER]

ISLAMABAD: The Nuclear Suppliers Group on Thursday failed to reach consensus on India’s membership application after several members of the international nuclear trade cartel insisted on adhering to Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) condition for admission, thus blocking Delhi’s entry for now, a diplomatic source said.

The group decided that it would deal with non-NPT states with an even hand, the source added.

A formal announcement would be made at the conclusion of the NSG’s plenary meeting in Seoul on Friday.

The countries that opposed India’s application included China, Russia, Brazil, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland and Turkey. To India’s shock, some of the countries that had initially pledged support for its candidature did not do so at the meeting.

Read: China snubs India over NSG

Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at Carnegie Endowment, tweeted that about a quarter of the 48 member-NSG raised issues about Indian candidature.

The NSG works through consensus and India would not have been able to make it into the club even if a single country had opposed its application.

The criticism of India was not only that it had not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), but also that it had not fulfilled the commitments it made while getting NSG waiver in 2008. It has neither made progress towards CTBT nor has separated its civilian and military nuclear reactors.

India is said to be runnng the largest unsafeguarded nuclear programme with a fissile production capacity 7.7 times greater than that of Pakistan.

China was the main challenger of the Indian bid, which was being backed by a number of Western countries. Beijing was opposed to giving exception to New Delhi and had been demanding deliberations on the accession of non-NPT countries.

Indian hopes about ending Chinese opposition had revolved around a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the SCO summit in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. But the interaction did not achieve that and President Xi, even before meeting Mr Modi, told his Pakistani counterpart Mamnoon Hussain that his government would persist with criteria-based approach for the NSG membership.

India, according to a foreign diplomatic source, was not on the agenda of the plenary meeting, but Japan called for consideration of its application.

Pakistan’s case was, meanwhile, not taken up by the group on Thursday.

Pakistan had intensified lobbying for its candidature after it formally launched its application last month. A delegation led by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry remained in Seoul during the NSG plenary meeting for continuing that effort.

The source said the Pakistani delegation met representatives from 25 countries on the sidelines of the session.

Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria had earlier said that several NSG members “want detailed discussions within NSG to first agree upon criteria for admission of non-NPT countries to the group with a view to preserving the non-proliferation norms”.

Pakistan, Mr Zakaria said, would continue to highlight its strong credentials and pursue NSG membership based on non-discriminatory and objective criteria.

Examine: India's membership of Nuclear Suppliers Group 'not merited', says NYT

He further said that Pakistani and Indian applications cannot be considered in isolation from the goal of maintaining strategic stability in South Asia.

Zahir Kazmi, an official of the Strategic Plans Division, had a day earlier at a lecture at the Centre for International Strategic Studies (CISS) said Pakistan expected NSG to fairly and simultaneously consider its application along with that of India.

Zamir Akram, Pakistan’s former envoy to the United Nations in Geneva, had at a roundtable at Strategic Vision Institute said Pakistan was opposed to “exclusive membership” for India and supported evolution of criteria that can be applied across the board.

Published in Dawn, June 24th, 2016