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[I M Sikander]

For all my fellow indian kids, who are crying.

 

[[Bregs]]

You are right. We should wait and see till the sessions officially ends.

Personally I do hope that India does not become a member, because by doing that the Western world will lose all kind of "moral" leverage to lecture Pakistan or any other country for that matter to sign those NPT treaties...

india has never signed it self NPT why it will lecture pakistan. 2ndly india has never had objection to pak entry into NSG. so who knows what future holds for these 2 countries bilaterally as far as NSG entry is concerned

 

[Guynextdoor2]

We being a small country would never want confrontation with a big country like India. We had only opposed India where it tries to be Big Daddy of the region. Whenever we had taken evasive measures against India were only because India had back stabbed us. Just take recent example of F-16 issue. I mean they were just 8 birds and U got so scared and uneasy with it that used millions of $$$ in lobbying to stall the issue. Typical example of a Mighty country with sparrow heart.

We are a 'smaaaaaalllll' country that didn't bother with other issues while other smaaalllll countries with equal populations like Brazil fought massively on all of these things. Several African countries under enormous pressure also stood out on this and preferred to suffer....but we're smaaaaaallllll country. Fact is the influence of your military in politics is always clear, 'UNSC, NSG, CTBT'...baki jaye ghaas charade humor kya?

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For all my fellow indian kids, who are crying.

@shah1398 see.....hoooow much of leadership material we can see.

 

[I M Sikander]

india has never signed it self NPT why it will lecture pakistan. 2ndly india has never had objection to pak entry into NSG. so who knows what future holds for these 2 countries bilaterally as far as NSG entry is concerned

Same for Pakistan, Pakistan wanted nondiscriminating membership policy for all new applicants.
Pick and chose shouldn't be the case.

 

[shah1398]

We are a 'smaaaaaalllll' country that didn't bother with other issues while other smaaalllll countries with equal populations like Brazil fought massively on all of these things. African countries under enormous pressure also stood out on this and preferred to suffer....but we're smaaaaaallllll country. Fact is the influence of your military in politics is always clear, 'UNSC, NSG, CTBT'...baki jaye ghaas charade humor kya?

We can mutually resolve all issues when we both become PMs of our respective countries .

@shah1398 see.....hoooow much of leadership material we can see.

Its a two way process from both side on respective occasions. I would not blame any single entity here.
Peace.

 

[danger007]

China isn't alone guys, 5 countries opposed Indian case.

That include Austria, Brazil, Ireland, turkey and new Zealand.
Pakistan and china played their cards very well and Indian dreams are licking the dust.

Why you are celebrating isn't it too early.. these type take lot time... Have patience..

 

[I M Sikander]

Why you are celebrating isn't it too early.. these type take lot time... Have patience..

I celebrate every little joy.

 

[CHD]

Shupa pawa china was indeed isolated. We are not a signatory of NPT still we made a string pitch. Most of the countries were in our side except few like China. This states who has more diplomatic clout.

Now you tried to came to NSG just because India is trying. And no one is supporting you. Still you are trying because India is trying.

India bags all but China’s vote, decision on NSG bid likely on Friday

China’s great wall appeared to be crumbling before Indian diplomacy on Thursday. Beijing was left isolated as every other government of the 48-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) spoke at the opening of the Seoul plenary in favour of accepting India into the elite international nuclear technology club.

At the end of the first tense session of the two-day meeting, China found itself isolated over its call for a criteria-based membership that would allow Pakistan to also join the NSG, official sources told Hindustan Times.

China has been trying to block India’s membership by saying entry into the NSG should be limited to countries that have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), a global nuclear arms control pact. India and China’s “all-weather ally”, Pakistan, which too is seeking membership of the NSG, have not signed the NPT.

As the NSG works by consensus, China has the ability to veto India’s entry.

Even as the Seoul meeting was taking place, on the other side of Asia in Uzbekistan, Prime Minister Narendra Modi was making a direct appeal to Chinese President Xi Jinping to support India’s entry to the NSG, saying China should make a “fair and objective” assessment of India’s candidature. Modi’s message was described as “very direct.”

At the Seoul meeting, Japan led the way by first raising India’s membership at the NSG meeting. It was seconded by Argentina which presented a report praising India’s nuclear nonproliferation record.

China found itself left high and dry as, one by one, more than 30 NSG members declared their support for India’s joining the group. Contrary to initial reports, Brazil and South Africa were strong backers of India’s membership.

Austria, Ireland, Switzerland and a few others said they supported Indian membership but wanted to know how the induction process would take place.

Beijing used a procedural block to hold up the meeting for five hours in the morning. It conceded after an additional clause, separate from the one about India, that the NSG should consider the “political, technical and legal issues” regarding non-NPT members was added. This is seen as a possible fig-leaf for Beijing to take back to Islamabad.

The representatives, after another post-dinner round, broke for the night and contacted their respective governments for further instructions. The formal plenary begins on Friday.
In Tashkent, during his 45-minute meeting with Xi, Modi said China should “join and contribute” to the emerging consensus among NSG members on India’s candidature, according to the external affairs ministry.

Sources said Modi spoke about how India’s entry into the NSG will strengthen the global non-proliferation regime. His meeting with Xi was his first engagement in Tashkent.

There was no official word on the response from Xi, who assured Pakistan President Mamnoon Hussain shortly before the meeting with Modi that China will adopt a “criteria-based approach” for NSG membership that will support Islamabad’s application.

Continued Chinese opposition to India’s membership in the NSG could threaten bilateral relations between the two Asian giants, especially in fora like BRICS, the Russia-India-China triangle and even the climate change bloc BASIC.

But officially Beijing has sought to de-link its position on NSG membership from its ties with India.

“We believe that with regard to the admission of new members a decision shall be made with through discussion within the group,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said ahead of Modi’s meeting with Xi.

“We do not believe that it (Beijing’s position on admitting new members to the NSG) is an issue concerning the bilateral relationship between China and India.”

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...y-on-friday/story-8ZZdZHRnEyPtxgleWsjTOI.html

5-6 countries are opposing thats not just china

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Now you tried to came to NSG just because India is trying. And no one is supporting you. Still you are trying because India is trying.

Because we love you....Thats why.

 

[Anees]

And Where is Pak Standing ?? How many oppose or supported in 48 ???

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

china will never like to be seen as lone dissenting voice.

Umm... why not?

Unlike you guys, we don't care what foreigners think, it has zero effect on our policies.

You know we fought against the entire United Nations during the Korean War (including the USA + 16 of her allies combined), then we went on to fight against the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split. We were basically fighting against the entire world during the Cold War, now you think we are afraid of using veto power alone?

If it serves our national interests to veto it, we'll do it in the blink of an eye. If India offers enough economic concessions though...

 

[Devil Soul]

Deadlock At NSG Over India's Bid, PM Asks For China's Support: 10 Facts
All India | Written by Nidhi Razdan | Updated: June 24, 2016 00:43 IST

Here are 10 developments in the story:

1. Top government sources have told NDTV that China remains the main opponent but Brazil, Austria and Ireland also raised questions on how a non-NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty) signatory can be admitted to the NSG, which controls access to nuclear technology.
   
   
2. Officials describe these as questions raised over "processes" but said China's opposition was belligerent. "It seems to have ended up as a broad inconclusive discussion. No clear cut conclusions can be reached at this stage," sources said.
   
   
3. China, say sources, spent the day trying to prevent the NSG from even discussing India's membership at all.
   
   
4. Brazil's objections will come as a setback to India since it is a key ally. Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar, who is in Seoul, met the Brazilian delegation earlier in the day.
   
   
5. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, in a 45-minute meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of a multilateral summit in Tashkent, requested a "fair and objective assessment" of India's bid.
   
   
6. PM Modi said New Delhi's case should be judged on its own merits and that China should contribute to an emerging consensus in Seoul.
   
   
7. About 300 participants from 48 member countries are attending the meeting in Seoul.
   
   
8. China has been unrelenting in its opposition, harping on the need to have a criteria for non-NPT countries like India and clubbing India's case with that of Pakistan for which it is batting.
   
   
9. India wants to become a member of the NSG to get better access to low-cost, clean nuclear energy crucial to its economic growth.
   
   
10. The NSG works on unanimity and even one opposing vote can mean the rejection of India's membership.

 

[Rajkumar]

fk those fkers,

“Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle

Khuda bande se khud pooche bata teri raza kya hai.”

 

[Kinetic]

5-6 countries are opposing thats not just china

There is total 48 countries. According to you 5/6 are not supporting that means 42/43 countries are supporting and out of this 5/6 we will manage everyone except China. We know china will never support India as they are our enemy.

Because we love you....Thats why.

Its not love its called stupidity by Pakistani govt. You know that no one will support you still trying to get membership is not good for Pakistan's image. For the same reason we didnot tried earlier. Now we got the technology and business so countries are supporting us.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Let's see what Modi offers at the 11th hour.

If Modi went directly to Xi Jinping then he must have made some serious offers.